Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-20 Thread Chris
Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:51:34PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Apr 19, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: [ ...diatribe deleted... ] Is that clear enough for you? I'm not an imbecile that doesn't know how to use email, and I'm not using a mail client circa 1884

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-19 Thread Henry Lenzi
I tried Ubuntu once and went through an upgrade. This was after some years of Debian at home. There were problems, I thought it was a joke. The documentation was also very bad, having to google for web (PHP forums) pages with the right fix. Looked very ammateurish. I moved to FreeBSD. I had

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-19 Thread Henry Lenzi
On 4/14/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: My issues with FreeBSD as a desktop mostly come from the difficulty of I suppose your the kind of user that would benefit from using PC-BSD. PC-BSD is not a distro. It

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-19 Thread Henry Lenzi
On 4/13/07, Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? ___ I'll give you a real example. I havea licensed mathematics package called Maple. It expensive. Ubuntu (Debian) just broke the installation from one upgrade to

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-19 Thread Henry Lenzi
I find nothing brilliant in Debian's package management. It's heavily dependent upon human intervention and just adds a layer of complexity on top of a problem that was *already solved* in the Unix world, by using Make files. Do they have a better backtracking algorith then Make? No. Debian's

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-19 Thread Chris
Henry Lenzi wrote: On 4/13/07, Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? ___ I'll give you a real example. I have a licensed mathematics package called Maple. It expensive. Ubuntu (Debian) just broke the

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-19 Thread Chris
Henry Lenzi wrote: I find nothing brilliant in Debian's package management. It's heavily dependent upon human intervention and just adds a layer of complexity on top of a problem that was *already solved* in the Unix world, by using Make files. Do they have a better backtracking algorithm then

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-19 Thread Henry Lenzi
On 4/19/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Henry Lenzi wrote: I find nothing brilliant in Debian's package management. It's heavily dependent upon human intervention and just adds a layer of complexity on top of a problem that was *already solved* in the Unix world, by using Make files. Do

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-19 Thread Henry Lenzi
I'll give you a real example. I have a licensed mathematics package called Maple. It expensive. Ubuntu (Debian) just broke the installation from one upgrade to another. They take pride in not keeping backwards compatibility. Then, I used FreeBSD with the Red Hat emulation software, ad I have

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-19 Thread Chris
Henry Lenzi wrote: On 4/19/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Henry Lenzi wrote: I find nothing brilliant in Debian's package management. It's heavily dependent upon human intervention and just adds a layer of complexity on top of a problem that was *already solved* in the Unix world, by

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-19 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 02:42:57PM -0300, Henry Lenzi wrote: I'll give you a real example. I have a licensed mathematics package called Maple. It expensive. Ubuntu (Debian) just broke the installation from one upgrade to another. They take pride in not keeping backwards compatibility.

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-19 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg
[mailed (but cc line trimmed) and posted] On Apr 19, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: Any who get emails from me in this thread today, please check to see if they were addressed to the list in CC, and if not, forward them to the list if you don't mind. Surely that will result in

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-19 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 11:44:02AM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Apr 19, 2007, at 11:34 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: I just accidentally sent some responses to comments in various parts of this discussion thread that targeted only the individual people who sent the emails to which I responded.

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-19 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:16:28PM -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: [mailed (but cc line trimmed) and posted] On Apr 19, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: Any who get emails from me in this thread today, please check to see if they were addressed to the list in CC, and if not, forward

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-19 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:51:34PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Apr 19, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: [ ...diatribe deleted... ] Is that clear enough for you? I'm not an imbecile that doesn't know how to use email, and I'm not using a mail client circa 1884 either. Several

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-19 Thread Rico Secada
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:37:27 -0300 Henry Lenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/19/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Henry Lenzi wrote: I find nothing brilliant in Debian's package management. It's heavily dependent upon human intervention and just adds a layer of complexity on top of a

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-19 Thread youshi10
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 01:51:34PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Apr 19, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: [ ...diatribe deleted... ] Is that clear enough for you? I'm not an imbecile that doesn't know how to use email, and I'm not using a mail

[Fwd: Re: I like Ubuntu]

2007-04-17 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
Forwarded on behalf of Chad Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:29:43AM +0100, Alex Zbyslaw wrote: How does apt-get compare to something like yum/up2date on FC/RHEL? I.e. is there something that makes apt-get better? It uses a package format that requires more information

Re: [Fwd: Re: I like Ubuntu]

2007-04-17 Thread n j
Hopefully that helps answer some of your questions. Overall, I find the FreeBSD ports system to be more flexible, but an acceptable runner-up for purposes of binary package-based OSes in my opinion is Debian. Just to add my .02$ to this topic, speaking from a perspective of a FreeBSD lover in

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-16 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that depending on your hardware a FreeBSD

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-15 Thread Bram Schoenmakers
Op zondag 15 april 2007, schreef Gary Kline: I like both Gnome and KDE; altho parts of KDE work better for my mindset. SO nutshell, can I upgrade my present default Gnome Desktop (aka: wm:) to be KDE?? Or equally, is there some magic command to install more

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that depending on your hardware a FreeBSD workstation or laptop can be a

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Victor Engmark
On 4/13/07, Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? More useful documentation (the Handbook is great) and easier to debug than any Linux distribution I've ever tried (including Mandrake, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, SUSE 6.3, SLED, Debian, SLC, and MEPIS). There's also

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Paul Butler
Message: 17 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:21:43 -0500 From: Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I like Ubuntu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? I find

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Garrett Cooper
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that depending on your hardware a FreeBSD

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:17:20PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Garrett Cooper
Paul Butler wrote: Message: 17 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:21:43 -0500 From: Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I like Ubuntu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Why is freebsd better then

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Garrett Cooper
Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:17:20PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chris
Garrett Cooper wrote: Paul Butler wrote: Message: 17 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:21:43 -0500 From: Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I like Ubuntu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread doug
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that depending on your

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Garrett Cooper
Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:57:44AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: Well, we have some problems sometimes with cyclic dependencies (portinstall / portupgrade and friends), and people aren't really happy when names of categories / packages get changed (like what's happened

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Garrett Cooper
Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:52:18AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: Also, it's Linux-based so documentation in terms of manpages are most likely non-existent, like with Gentoo Linux. That's by no means universal among Linux distributions. Debian actually provides

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread doug
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:17:20PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI switching to FreeBSD

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Parv
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Paul Butler thusly... If, however, heart-stopping speed appeals to you, you want intelligently planned technology with the latest stable applications, you are operating web servers, or you just plain want to get expertise in real Unix then there is nothing

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:34:29PM -0500, Chris wrote: To me, apt-get is certainly cleaner and superior to portupgrade/portmanager. Perhaps someday either or will be as reliable as apt-get. Just my opinions of course. In my experience, portupgrade is more reliable than apt-get. I have

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:34:46PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: But some of the manpages are out of date, like for the coreutils (I think mv/cp was one of them?). I like the comment in there about Stallman liking infopages but Debian-ites having to create a manpage :). I personally hate

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 04:15:43PM -0400, Parv wrote: in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Paul Butler thusly... If, however, heart-stopping speed appeals to you, you want intelligently planned technology with the latest stable applications, you are operating web servers, or you just

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:34:29PM -0500, Chris wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: [[ ... ]] In my case this included leaning to think in 'Unix', and reaching an understanding with (rather than of) regular expressions, sed, and awk.

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chris
Gary Kline wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:34:29PM -0500, Chris wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: [[ ... ]] In my case this included leaning to think in 'Unix', and reaching an understanding with (rather than of) regular expressions,

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-04-14 12:34, Garrett Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:52:18AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: Also, it's Linux-based so documentation in terms of manpages are most likely non-existent, like with Gentoo Linux. That's by no means universal among

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chris
Gary Kline wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:10:17PM -0500, Chris wrote: Gary Kline wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:34:29PM -0500, Chris wrote: Gary - Not so - upgrading Ubuntu is pretty much a click. Have a look at this URL and you'll see 2 ways to upgrade

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 01:58:17PM -0500, Chris wrote: Actually - Ubuntu's default isn't KDE, it's Gnome. Kubuntu is what you want if you prefer the K environment - however, that's not to say that if you install Ubuntu, you can't install KDE (or XFCE4 - that happens to be Xubuntu).

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chris
Gary Kline wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 01:58:17PM -0500, Chris wrote: Actually - Ubuntu's default isn't KDE, it's Gnome. Kubuntu is what you want if you prefer the K environment - however, that's not to say that if you install Ubuntu, you can't install KDE (or XFCE4 - that happens to be

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:34:46PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:52:18AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: Also, it's Linux-based so documentation in terms of manpages are most likely non-existent, like with Gentoo Linux. That's by no means

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-13 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Apr 13, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Claude Menski wrote: Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? It may or may not be-- people have different requirements and different opinions and preferences. http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php ...might give you some more

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-13 Thread Peter A. Giessel
On 2007/04/13 9:21, Claude Menski seems to have typed: Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? Why are you looking for something else? Maybe Ubuntu will be better for your purposes, maybe it won't. I suggest starting your research by reading this: http://www.lemis.com/bsdpaper.html

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-13 Thread Kevin Kinsey
Claude Menski wrote: Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? Because you can still use it if the U key is borked? :-D If this is a serious question, and I suppose it could be, it would be better to move this to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. You have heard of religious wars and flame wars, I suppose? This is

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-13 Thread Robert C Wittig
Claude Menski wrote: Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? ___ Ubuntu has an obviously intoxicated penguin for a mascot, whereas FreeBSD has a Dever little Clevil... oops, I mean a Clever little Devil, for a mascot. Daemon is a gas, whereas the

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-13 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? I like Ubuntu too. If you want a desktop OS that Just Works and doesn't require a lot of time to configure and keep up-to-date, it's a good choice. On the server side, however, I find that it is FreeBSD rather than

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-13 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg
On Apr 13, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Claude Menski wrote: Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? Because the FreeBSD mailing list is resilient to things that might otherwise start a flame war. But in case your question was serious, the answer is, as others have said, It depends on what you want to

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-13 Thread Dmitri Pavlov
And we like BSD... ;) I think you should test it for some weeks, before asking such questions. If you like ubuntu, use it. It's free software. It runs. So why not. But some people think, that BSD runs better when Linux... Test it on your own. ;) Dmitri. signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-13 Thread David J Brooks
On Friday 13 April 2007 12:21:43 pm Claude Menski wrote: Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? It's easier to spell. -- In 1869 the waffle iron was invented for people who had wrinkled waffles. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-13 Thread Jeff
On Apr 13, 2007, at 4:48 PM, David J Brooks wrote: On Friday 13 April 2007 12:21:43 pm Claude Menski wrote: Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? It's easier to spell. Not to mention pronounce. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-13 Thread Roland Smith
On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 09:43:27PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? I like Ubuntu too. If you want a desktop OS that Just Works and doesn't require a lot of time to configure and keep up-to-date, it's a good

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-13 Thread doug
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? I like Ubuntu too. If you want a desktop OS that Just Works and doesn't require a lot of time to configure and keep up-to-date, it's a good choice. On the server

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-13 Thread Mikel King
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 13, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Jeff wrote: On Apr 13, 2007, at 4:48 PM, David J Brooks wrote: On Friday 13 April 2007 12:21:43 pm Claude Menski wrote: Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? It's easier to spell. Not to mention pronounce. I