Re: Installing freeBSD on an Intel RAID5 partition

2007-10-10 Thread Nodje
hum let's keep practical here please. The question is whether you can use SATA RAID as a reasonable HD failure protection system or not. Can a Raid1 on two HD, say less than 500Gb, be consider as a good protection against HD failure? It still seems to be for me. (I consider recov

Re: Installing freeBSD on an Intel RAID5 partition

2007-10-10 Thread Jeff Mohler
SATA drives just aint built with the same resiliency as SCSI, hence the massive difference in cost. So..as an example, the Hitachi 500G 7K500 drive has a non recoverable bitrate of 1 in 10^14th. The 10K300 FCAL (basically scsi) drive is 1 in 10^16th. Those two zeros mean a _lot_. I removed a

Re: Installing freeBSD on an Intel RAID5 partition

2007-10-10 Thread Nodje
well, you mean on RAID5 then, coz there's probably no math in reconstructing a RAID1. Why would the math on SATA be less reliable than on SCSI??? Where d'you read that anyway?? Jeff Mohler wrote: Did you know that most "oh my god" RAID failures happen during the reconstruction of a

Re: Installing freeBSD on an Intel RAID5 partition

2007-10-10 Thread Jeff Mohler
Did you know that most "oh my god" RAID failures happen during the reconstruction of a failed drive? .Especially on SATA as the non-recoverable-bit-error math is so much easier to run into. I think..that on a 500G drive, there are enough bits to read/write that mathematically you could run into a

Re: Installing freeBSD on an Intel RAID5 partition

2007-10-10 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 04:19:02PM -0400, Philip M. Gollucci wrote: > Jerry McAllister wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 03:35:54PM +0800, nodje wrote: > > > >> I couldn't find any answer to the question.The problem is that the > >> installer > >> shows up all the disks instead of proposing to

Re: Installing freeBSD on an Intel RAID5 partition

2007-10-10 Thread Philip M. Gollucci
Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 03:35:54PM +0800, nodje wrote: > >> I couldn't find any answer to the question.The problem is that the installer >> shows up all the disks instead of proposing to install somewhere on the >> RAID5 partition, in other words, it just doesn't recogniz

Re: Installing freeBSD on an Intel RAID5 partition

2007-10-10 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 03:35:54PM +0800, nodje wrote: > I couldn't find any answer to the question.The problem is that the installer > shows up all the disks instead of proposing to install somewhere on the > RAID5 partition, in other words, it just doesn't recognize the RAID5. > Is it possible a

Re: Installing freeBSD on an Intel RAID5 partition

2007-10-10 Thread Vince
Sounds like you have one of those 'fake' raid controllers (http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html ), where its software raid with a hook into the bios so its bootable, while the work is done in software. This isnt supported by Freebsd (the fake raid 1 is supported by the ataraid driver for many ch