Re: Mail server recomendations
J65nko wrote: [big snip] I use qmail using a combination of setup instructions from various sites like http://freebsdrocks.net www.lifewithqmail.org and applied the combined patch from http://qmail.jms1.net/ I am happy so far. The main thing is to build something that you understand and are able to provide support for it. Addmitedly there are many mailserver for dummies guides out there. Just be cautious and test-test-test before deployment so that all your expectations are met. RTFM and STFW before anything bad happens Thanasis Rizoulis Electronic Computing Systems Engineer Larissa, Greece FreeBSD/PCBSD user ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place toask?)
-Original Message- From: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED], freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:04:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place toask?) - Original Message - From: John Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:57 PM Subject: Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place toask?) On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:33, Ray wrote: I'm looking for a package (or set of packages) that would provide a mail server with the following capabilities minimally: pop and smtp access that could handle 20 to 100 domains and 200 to 2000 mail boxes.(allowing some room for future growth) SMTP: sendmail is part of the base system and is pretty powerful but has a steep learning curve. There are alternatives available in the ports, one of the more popular being postfix. Others such as qmail may also be worth researching. I would caution anyone against using the alternatives. There are a lot of people that use them successfully, but sendmail is far more popular in terms of total installs - this is no doubt because it is used in the larger mail servers on the Internet, and the alternatives are more used on home or small servers. The reason you want to use Sendmail is that once you learn how to use it, that is knowledge that you have a much higher chance of re-using in the future. Thanks for the pointer. Ray I use clamAV on my mailserver, works great and keeps itself up-to-date pretty well. Easy integration with sendmail via a milter. For spam you'll likely want a combination of techniques. SpamAssassin is a good starting point. Also look at the DNS black- or greylisting features of your SMTP program (I use a couple realtime DNS blacklists with sendmail). you can also use greylist-milter with sendmail, it works well. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place toask?)
[I had originally meant to post this to the list, but had mailed it the individual poster instead (who send a very nice reply)] On Feb 10, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I would caution anyone against using the alternatives. There are a lot of people that use them successfully, but sendmail is far more popular in terms of total installs - this is no doubt because it is used in the larger mail servers on the Internet, and the alternatives are more used on home or small servers. I should point out that exim is used by large ISPs (mostly in Europe) and during its development had a great deal of input from what was then the largest ISP in the UK. Postfix is used by fastmail.fm and other dedicated mail providers. The reason you want to use Sendmail is that once you learn how to use it, that is knowledge that you have a much higher chance of re- using in the future. A few years ago I would have said the same thing. Indeed when I set up MTAs for clients I went with sendmail because my clients would have a broader base of support if I were to be run over by a bus. But I feel that that has changed. And the advantages of exim or postfix are strong enough and there is a growing base of people with experience with them, particularly postfix. Sendmail suffers from its extreme age and in the distant environment in which it was developed. Sendmail does things with its configuration file ((2)821) address parsing for example) that should be hard coded, while it hard codes things (like the 1 second throttling increment) that should be in a configuration file. The big plus for sendmail is milters. This is a plug-in system that I find extremely valuable. Anyway, I'm not going to recommend one above the other. The original poster can't really go wrong with either sendmail, exim or postfix. I'm in the process of setting up postfix because that host's mail will almost entirely be as a list server and mailman integration seems best with postfix (which I want to learn anyway). I just don't find the sendmail is everywhere case as strong as I used to. I should also say that when running mail at a small university, moving from sendmail to exim in the 1990s was such relief. Even with all of the m4 stuff, sendmail is much harder to maintain and configure than either exim or postfix. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/
Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place toask?)
On 2/11/07, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [big snip] I would caution anyone against using the alternatives. There are a lot of people that use them successfully, but sendmail is far more popular in terms of total installs - this is no doubt because it is used in the larger mail servers on the Internet, and the alternatives are more used on home or small servers. The reason you want to use Sendmail is that once you learn how to use it, that is knowledge that you have a much higher chance of re-using in the future. Is this an effort to convince FreeBSD.org to stop using postfix? ;) $ host freebsd.org freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.40 freebsd.org mail is handled by 10 mx1.freebsd.org. $ telnet mx1.freebsd.org 25 Trying 69.147.83.52... Connected to mx1.freebsd.org. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mx1.freebsd.org ESMTP Postfix (Postfix Rules!) quit 221 2.0.0 Bye Connection closed by foreign host $ No, this is ain't a flame bait ;) =Adriaan= ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server recomendations
-Original Message- Thanks for all the suggestions. Looks like I have a lot of reading ahead :) Ray On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:33, Ray wrote: I'm looking for a package (or set of packages) that would provide a mail server with the following capabilities minimally: pop and smtp access that could handle 20 to 100 domains and 200 to 2000 mail boxes.(allowing some room for future growth) SMTP: sendmail is part of the base system and is pretty powerful but has a steep learning curve. There are alternatives available in the ports, one of the more popular being postfix. Others such as qmail may also be worth researching. POP, etc.: I highly recommend dovecot. It's efficient, pretty easy to configure, and can handle almost any setup you can imagine. You also get IMAP with this, which even if you don't want on its own you will want to use with your webmail package. ideally: also provide a web interface for individual users and also for administration on a per domain and whole server level. we have several customers that need to be able to administer their own domains, (Read this as I don't want ten calls a day saying I forgot my password) but we don't want them touching others accounts. Admin: webmin provides a reasonably secure web-based frontend to many different admin. tools and allows you to grant different levels of access to each tool to different users. Virtualmin might be an even better match for what you're after. Webmail: For features, go with Imp and any other parts of the Horde suite of applications that interest you. Horde's groupware package is starting to get pretty polished, and the individual components (mail, calendar, address book, tasks, etc) are all quite mature. Setup and config is a bit on the complex side, but there's work going on there and much of the initial config is now web-based. Other popular and simpler webmail packages include OpenWebMail and SquirrelMail. spam and virus scanning would be a definite plus, but from what I have read, these two parts are fairly straight forward. We have recently changed the web server from M$ to FreeBSD and now we're trying to change the mail server too. Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. I use clamAV on my mailserver, works great and keeps itself up-to-date pretty well. Easy integration with sendmail via a milter. For spam you'll likely want a combination of techniques. SpamAssassin is a good starting point. Also look at the DNS black- or greylisting features of your SMTP program (I use a couple realtime DNS blacklists with sendmail). Depending on the types of messages you're hoping to stop/detect, you might also want to look at MimeDefang. Everything above is in the ports. You have a lot of options so it's just a matter of nailing down what you want in terms of features and then selecting the best tool for the task. JN ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place toask?)
- Original Message - From: John Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:57 PM Subject: Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place toask?) On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:33, Ray wrote: I'm looking for a package (or set of packages) that would provide a mail server with the following capabilities minimally: pop and smtp access that could handle 20 to 100 domains and 200 to 2000 mail boxes.(allowing some room for future growth) SMTP: sendmail is part of the base system and is pretty powerful but has a steep learning curve. There are alternatives available in the ports, one of the more popular being postfix. Others such as qmail may also be worth researching. I would caution anyone against using the alternatives. There are a lot of people that use them successfully, but sendmail is far more popular in terms of total installs - this is no doubt because it is used in the larger mail servers on the Internet, and the alternatives are more used on home or small servers. The reason you want to use Sendmail is that once you learn how to use it, that is knowledge that you have a much higher chance of re-using in the future. I use clamAV on my mailserver, works great and keeps itself up-to-date pretty well. Easy integration with sendmail via a milter. For spam you'll likely want a combination of techniques. SpamAssassin is a good starting point. Also look at the DNS black- or greylisting features of your SMTP program (I use a couple realtime DNS blacklists with sendmail). you can also use greylist-milter with sendmail, it works well. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server recomendations
Ray wrote: On 2/10/07, Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Just wondering if this list is the right place to ask for suggestions for what package to use for various purposes? Yep... what did you have in mind? I'm looking for a package (or set of packages) that would provide a mail server with the following capabilities minimally: pop and smtp access that could handle 20 to 100 domains and 200 to 2000 mail boxes.(allowing some room for future growth) Post for for smtp. Dovecot with Maildir for imap/pop3. ideally: also provide a web interface for individual users and also for administration on a per domain and whole server level. we have several customers that need to be able to administer their own domains, (Read this as I don't want ten calls a day saying I forgot my password) but we don't want them touching others accounts. Perhaps one of the many freely available webmail packages, im sure at least one is capable of changing passwords via sasl and such. spam and virus scanning would be a definite plus, but from what I have read, these two parts are fairly straight forward. We have recently changed the web server from M$ to FreeBSD and now we're trying to change the mail server too. Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. Ray Amavisd-new with ClamAV and SpamAssassin perhaps? My Current setup uses all of the above and it handles a shedload of traffic just fine. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, -- Joe Holden Telephone: +44 (0) 207 100 9593 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server recomendations
Joe Holden wrote: Post for for smtp. Postfix even. -- Joe Holden Telephone: +44 (0) 207 100 9593 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server recomendations (was: is the list the right place to ask?)
On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:33, Ray wrote: I'm looking for a package (or set of packages) that would provide a mail server with the following capabilities minimally: pop and smtp access that could handle 20 to 100 domains and 200 to 2000 mail boxes.(allowing some room for future growth) SMTP: sendmail is part of the base system and is pretty powerful but has a steep learning curve. There are alternatives available in the ports, one of the more popular being postfix. Others such as qmail may also be worth researching. POP, etc.: I highly recommend dovecot. It's efficient, pretty easy to configure, and can handle almost any setup you can imagine. You also get IMAP with this, which even if you don't want on its own you will want to use with your webmail package. ideally: also provide a web interface for individual users and also for administration on a per domain and whole server level. we have several customers that need to be able to administer their own domains, (Read this as I don't want ten calls a day saying I forgot my password) but we don't want them touching others accounts. Admin: webmin provides a reasonably secure web-based frontend to many different admin. tools and allows you to grant different levels of access to each tool to different users. Virtualmin might be an even better match for what you're after. Webmail: For features, go with Imp and any other parts of the Horde suite of applications that interest you. Horde's groupware package is starting to get pretty polished, and the individual components (mail, calendar, address book, tasks, etc) are all quite mature. Setup and config is a bit on the complex side, but there's work going on there and much of the initial config is now web-based. Other popular and simpler webmail packages include OpenWebMail and SquirrelMail. spam and virus scanning would be a definite plus, but from what I have read, these two parts are fairly straight forward. We have recently changed the web server from M$ to FreeBSD and now we're trying to change the mail server too. Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. I use clamAV on my mailserver, works great and keeps itself up-to-date pretty well. Easy integration with sendmail via a milter. For spam you'll likely want a combination of techniques. SpamAssassin is a good starting point. Also look at the DNS black- or greylisting features of your SMTP program (I use a couple realtime DNS blacklists with sendmail). Depending on the types of messages you're hoping to stop/detect, you might also want to look at MimeDefang. Everything above is in the ports. You have a lot of options so it's just a matter of nailing down what you want in terms of features and then selecting the best tool for the task. JN ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
