Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/05/2006 11:42:17: hi, On 5/9/06, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then take this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's just flame bait here. I don't want a chat, I want to know where I can find out how we ended up with such a terrible logo. It seems people think it's a big joke? The new logo already looks dated, and will only get worse with time. This happened ages ago and was announced in the news section of the website See - http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ John it was only announced after the selection was over. freebsd users were not involved. this is not right. :-( that is not true. The intent to change the logo - or create one - was announced and a contest for choosing a logo was announced and entries were solicited well before the choice of logo was done. also, the other entries were not published. so we can't really compare. That is true and I think that may have been a poor choice but it probably would have resulted in even more noise on the lists rather than less. it seems like the whole thing was intended to be quiet and public was just left out of the process. Not completely left out, but less involved than might be ideal. I just wish the FreeBSD community had more ability to create meaningful logos. Their talents seem to all lie in the area of creating and managing software systems... By the way, here where I work, they made a big fuss and came up with a new 'logo' that we are required to have on our cards and such and it is totally meaningless and unrelated to what our department is or does. It is, at least a little bit artsey and attractice, but I think this logo problem is endemic in the field. jerry martin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
hi, On 5/9/06, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then take this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's just flame bait here. I don't want a chat, I want to know where I can find out how we ended up with such a terrible logo. It seems people think it's a big joke? The new logo already looks dated, and will only get worse with time. I'm trying to make a serious point. Imagine if imacs were still made of transparent coloured plastic. So if this is the wrong list (which was a concern I mentioned in the first line of my original post) where is the right list? I'm not saying save beasite, although I personally think he's awesome. I'm saying think about the future. FreeBSD Tshirt sales are going to plummet. kep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/05/2006 11:42:17: hi, On 5/9/06, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then take this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's just flame bait here. I don't want a chat, I want to know where I can find out how we ended up with such a terrible logo. It seems people think it's a big joke? The new logo already looks dated, and will only get worse with time. This happened ages ago and was announced in the news section of the website See - http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
As a long time reader of this list I did not see any announcement of it here. Only after selection of the new logo was made was it talked about on this list People were very up set with it them and the ground swell over this has only gotten bigger. Loyal long time users are feeling insulted about being left out from the decision about the need for a new logo. A post in the archive give some lame reasons for a new logo which many people disagreed with even then but still the new legal FreeBSD foundation went ahead any how put it on the official website. I for one do not see an need to change the logo at all. I would say special effort was made to keep this whole new logo thing a secret from the general user population. That also goes for the formation of the new legal FreeBSD foundation. Not a word of it happening on this list until it was a done deal. You can see from this thread just how big a stink this is making. Lets point the finger at the real reason for the new logo. As part of the new legal FreeBSD foundation, the people who set it up though it's better to own the complete rights to the logo. So being pressed for time they choose to keep it off the questions list and pushed it through selecting what ever logo they had just to meet the filing dead line for the new legal FreeBSD foundation formation. For those of you who think this subject is flame bait, YOU ARE WHY THIS NEW LOGO IDEA WAS EVEN ABLE TO GET OFF THE GROUND IN THE FIRST PLACE. Sham on you, shut your pie hole. I want to know the email addresses of the people in control of the new foundation and everyone on this list who does not like the new logo and/or the way in which it was forced upon us should email them to voice our dissatisfaction directly to them. Because its obvious posting on this list has no effect or value in determining what happens to the legal FreeBSD organization and thus the logo used to represent us. If you want your voice in this matter to be effective you have to email those in legal control of the FreeBSD foundation. It's time they stop hiding and become accountable for their collective actions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:48 AM To: Kep Woof Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/05/2006 11:42:17: hi, On 5/9/06, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then take this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's just flame bait here. I don't want a chat, I want to know where I can find out how we ended up with such a terrible logo. It seems people think it's a big joke? The new logo already looks dated, and will only get worse with time. This happened ages ago and was announced in the news section of the website See - http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
Hi, thanks for the pointer.. On 5/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This happened ages ago and was announced in the news section of the website See - http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ However, where were the other designs? I think a contest was potentially a good idea, but my suspicion is that the entries were rather poor, and the current logo was simply the best of a bad bunch? It seems wierd that only commiters were given a vote - while I respect their technical judement without quarrel, geeks don't seem to have the same grasp on aesethetics as a design agency. Take a look at the netbsd logo if you want to see how it's done. It means something. It's neat. It represents the project. What we (the users) seem to have ended up with is a fussy and unelegent logo that has nothing to do with anythin, save for a pair of post-modern ice cream cones harking back to beastie. The simple fact is, when you look at the new logo it only makes sense if you previously understand what it represents. The effect is that it represents nothing in particular, which is why it fails so fantasically. What are the key values of FreeBSD? I'd guess something like Freedom, Stability, Robustness, quality. Those values are not communicated in the new logo, and I think that's something that somebody with freebsd.org in their email address should seriously address. kep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:49:20 + Kep Woof [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Take a look at the netbsd logo if you want to see how it's done. It means something. It's neat. It represents the project. What we (the users) seem to have ended up with is a fussy and unelegent logo that has nothing to do with anythin, save for a pair of post-modern ice cream cones harking back to beastie. My brother went to school for graphic arts. When the contest was announced, we spend _several_weeks_ brainstorming, he and I, trying to come up with something that looked as cool as the NetBSD logo, while representing FreeBSD. We finally gave up without making a submission. The problem is that NetBSD (and OpenBSD as well, for that matter) somehow have more culture to them on the graphic arts side. NetBSD has long had the image of daemons raising the flag (mirroring the WWII photograph) which translated nicely into a logo. OpenBSD has long had the Blowfish, which can be rendered a number of interesting ways. And FreeBSD has what? The Beastie ... but the Beastie is *BSD in general, so what else is there ... ? The simple fact is, when you look at the new logo it only makes sense if you previously understand what it represents. The effect is that it represents nothing in particular, which is why it fails so fantasically. What are the key values of FreeBSD? I'd guess something like Freedom, Stability, Robustness, quality. Those values are not communicated in the new logo, and I think that's something that somebody with freebsd.org in their email address should seriously address. You're exactly right. Somebody other than you should take care of this. This is everyone's fault but yours. If you'd been in the loop from the start, this never would have happened. My goodness, why didn't we consult you earlier ... you obviously have all the answers. This is free software man, if you don't like it, fix it yourself. If you can't fix it, _ask_ someone else, or put up some cash to pay someone who can. But quit whining. You are a Troll. If you weren't a Troll, you'd have taken this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of staying on this list. Go use Microsoft, they pay professional graphic artists big bucks to design their logos and their marketing materials, and you fund that with your Windows license fees. Or, _contribute_ something back to the wonderful free software community other than a lengthy email thread of whining. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org
Thank you for making my point. This should have been announced on all lists. Just not the announcement list. Changing the logo is really a big thing. See the outcome of the short sightedness of that decision. And why should just the core committers be the only ones given a vote. Most of them are too busy to even have been aware this was happening. Many professional logo design people never even knew about the contest to redesign the logo because it was not posted to the questions list where everyone reads. What makes you think that the announcement list gets even a fraction of the readers the questions list does. Hell the questinos list gets enought junk post all ready, what's the harm in posting such an inportment message to the list to begin with, not doing so makes no sense at all. Somebody messed up big time and now they have to deal with the results of their stupid mistakes. You core committer people have to break out of this private club mentality thing you all adhere to. The logo effects all users and as such we should have vote in the matter. What were you all thinking? This was a bad idea from the get go. Just because core committer have the ability to write high level code does not give them the right to thumb your collective noses at the rest of us users in the matter of needing a new logo. In moving to an new legal status by forming the FreeBSD foundation us users just look the other way just long as the software stays free of cost and no new legal restraints are imposed on the software use. But changing the logo effects all users and sham on you self righteous snobs to even think you have the right to exclude the user community from the logo decision. Get off your high horses and serve your users like your suppose to. I think the new logo should be shit canned and the whole question of replaceing the beastie logo brought up for a general vote bye all members of all the Freebsd mailing lists. Your negtave comments are foundless. A public vote is not an logistical near-impossibility. Hell just creating a special list to submit an email to as your yes or not vote is a simple solution and other solutions could be found one way or the other. If you are insulted by my comments then I guess you belong the self righteous snobs group and I dont care about you. This is address the the users who like me are out raged by this. If you dont like the new logo then lets make our combined voices make a differance by emailing the new foundation's forming members. -Original Message- From: Nick Withers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org On Wed, 10 May 2006 08:13:24 -0400 fbsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a long time reader of this list I did not see any announcement of it here. That's because this is the freebsd-questions list. It was announced on the freebsd-announce list. Y'know, the one where announcements are made... Only after selection of the new logo was made was it talked about on this list People were very up set with it them and the ground swell over this has only gotten bigger. Again, this is the freebsd-questions list. I don't really think that this is actually the most appropriate place for discussion of such things (and therefore I should probably apologise for contributing to this lil' thread!). Loyal long time users are feeling insulted about being left out from the decision about the need for a new logo. A post in the archive give some lame reasons for a new logo which many people disagreed with even then but still the new legal FreeBSD foundation went ahead any how put it on the official website. I for one do not see an need to change the logo at all. Perhaps not, but then again, this is why there's a core team to make decisions for the project. Granted they're not elected by every user who's ever heard the word FreeBSD, but I can't even begin to imagine the logistical near-impossibility this would be. Committers were given the chance to vote, and voted for the new design (again, see http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/, which also has a link to the archived original announcement to freebsd-announce). I would say special effort was made to keep this whole new logo thing a secret from the general user population. See above, it was announced very publically on the freebsd-announce list. (snip) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:48 AM To: Kep Woof Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/05/2006 11:42:17: hi, On 5/9/06, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then take this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's just flame bait here. I don't want a chat, I want to know where I can find out how we ended up with such a terrible logo. It seems people think it's a big joke
Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org
fbsd wrote: Thank you for making my point. This should have been announced on all lists. Just not the announcement list. Changing the logo is really a big thing. Yes. But the point of having a announce list is so that important announcements are not jumbled in with lots of where can I download freebsd. Does anyone else think its a logo get over it? When was the last time an IT admin went I installed Win 2k3 becuase it has that cool logo thing that I like for a screensaver? Regards, Richard ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
Hi, On 5/10/06, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're exactly right. Somebody other than you should take care of this. I'm trying to understand what has happened and why. I'm trying to take care of this, and you, with your accusations and vitriol are'nt helping. I want to understand the process by which the logo was chosen so I may influence future decisions. This is everyone's fault but yours. If you'd been in the loop from the start, this never would have happened. My goodness, why didn't we consult you earlier ... you obviously have all the answers. Excuse me? Now this is clearly flame baiting. This is free software man, if you don't like it, fix it yourself. What is the procedure to fix a logo? A logo doesn't work the same as a piece of source code, which is why commiters shouldn't have been the only people with an opinion that counts. It's the users that use the software. We're an essential part of the community, we buy cd's, show our friends, retire windows boxes here and there. The logo is our badge, and anyone that's ever been to a convention knows that. If you can't fix it, _ask_ someone else, or put up some cash to pay someone who can. I can't help but think that cash has little to do with this. I'm sure between us we could raise a few thousand dollars for someone to design a proper logo, but i'm sure it's not as simple as that. But quit whining. I'm not whining, I'm trying to understand. You are a Troll. If you weren't a Troll, you'd have taken this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of staying on this list. I'm not a troll. It seems like a rather convenient way to silence someone to me. Is my question advocacy related? I don't think so. It has a much wider scope than that. Go use Microsoft, they pay professional graphic artists big bucks to design their logos and their marketing materials, and you fund that with your Windows license fees. How is that related or helpful? Or, _contribute_ something back to the wonderful free software community other than a lengthy email thread of whining. I'm trying to, but it has to start somewhere. I'm trying to understand how the logo was chosen, and why. It would seem to have far greater ramifications than you think. kep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
Take a look at the netbsd logo if you want to see how it's done. It means something. It's neat. It represents the project. What we (the users) seem to have ended up with is a fussy and unelegent logo that has nothing to do with anythin, save for a pair of post-modern ice cream cones harking back to beastie. My brother went to school for graphic arts. When the contest was announced, we spend _several_weeks_ brainstorming, he and I, trying to come up with something that looked as cool as the NetBSD logo, while representing FreeBSD. The NetBSD sucks too, imao-fyi. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:25:32AM -0400, fbsd wrote: Thank you for making my point. This should have been announced on all lists. Just not the announcement list. Wrong. That is exactly what the announcment list is for. Changing the logo is really a big thing. Not really. See the outcome of the short sightedness of that decision. Yeah, we get lots of whining people like yourself wasting bandwidth. And why should just the core committers be the only ones given a vote. Since they are the ones doing most of the job, it seems like a reasonable place to draw the line. Most of them are too busy to even have been aware this was happening. Really? Many professional logo design people never even knew about the contest to redesign the logo because it was not posted to the questions list where everyone reads. Not everyone reads the questions list. Heck, not even all the developers do, due to the low signal/noise ratio here. What makes you think that the announcement list gets even a fraction of the readers the questions list does. The fact that it is a much more important list to read. If you only read one freebsd.org mailing list it should be announce@ since that is where all important announcments are made (including security advisories.) Hell the questinos list gets enought junk post all ready, Yes, but that does not mean you have to provide even more evidence of that. what's the harm in posting such an inportment message to the list to begin with, not doing so makes no sense at all. Somebody messed up big time and now they have to deal with the results of their stupid mistakes. You core committer people have to break out of this private club mentality thing you all adhere to. The logo effects all users and as such we should have vote in the matter. Bullshit. What were you all thinking? This was a bad idea from the get go. Just because core committer have the ability to write high level code does not give them the right to thumb your collective noses at the rest of us users in the matter of needing a new logo. In moving to an new legal status by forming the FreeBSD foundation us users just look the other way just long as the software stays free of cost and no new legal restraints are imposed on the software use. But changing the logo effects all users and sham on you self righteous snobs to even think you have the right to exclude the user community from the logo decision. Get off your high horses and serve your users like your suppose to. You seem to be under the misapprehension that the developers have any obligations to you. That is not the case. I think the new logo should be shit canned and the whole question of replaceing the beastie logo brought up for a general vote bye all members of all the Freebsd mailing lists. And I think you should stop whining about the logo and do something useful instead. Your negtave comments are foundless. Much like your allegations then? A public vote is not an logistical near-impossibility. Hell just creating a special list to submit an email to as your yes or not vote is a simple solution and other solutions could be found one way or the other. If you are insulted by my comments then I guess you belong the self righteous snobs group and I dont care about you. This is address the the users who like me are out raged by this. If you dont like the new logo then lets make our combined voices make a differance by emailing the new foundation's forming members. -Original Message- From: Nick Withers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org On Wed, 10 May 2006 08:13:24 -0400 fbsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a long time reader of this list I did not see any announcement of it here. That's because this is the freebsd-questions list. It was announced on the freebsd-announce list. Y'know, the one where announcements are made... Only after selection of the new logo was made was it talked about on this list People were very up set with it them and the ground swell over this has only gotten bigger. Again, this is the freebsd-questions list. I don't really think that this is actually the most appropriate place for discussion of such things (and therefore I should probably apologise for contributing to this lil' thread!). Loyal long time users are feeling insulted about being left out from the decision about the need for a new logo. A post in the archive give some lame reasons for a new logo which many people disagreed with even then but still the new legal FreeBSD foundation went ahead any how put it on the official website. I for one do not see an need to change the logo at all. Perhaps not, but then again, this is why there's a core team to make decisions for the project. Granted they're not elected by every user
Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org
Does anyone else think its a logo get over it? When was the last time an IT admin went I installed Win 2k3 becuase it has that cool logo thing that I like for a screensaver? I think it's a bigger problem than that. When was the last time Steve Ballmer responded to a complaint that his shiny new elephant d*ck screensaver crashed the system with the words Go fuck yourself? That's the kind of response some who claim to be high-ups in the FreeBSD community are giving here. That kind of attitude helps no one, least of all FreeBSD's reputation. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
Hi, However, where were the other designs? I was wondering about that myself... Take a look at the netbsd logo if you want to see how it's done. Netbsd logo is very nice indeed. The simple fact is, when you look at the new logo it only makes sense if you previously understand what it represents. The effect is that it represents nothing in particular, which is why it fails so fantasically. What are the key values of FreeBSD? I'd guess something like Freedom, Stability, Robustness, quality. Those values are not communicated in the new logo, and I think that's something that somebody with freebsd.org in their email address should seriously address. Kep totally has a point here. Freebsd need's a logo that represents what the name stands for and the sex toy isn't it. -- jedrek pgp49l8k0KlVI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org
At 17:42 10.05.2006, Jeff Rollin wrote: Does anyone else think its a logo get over it? When was the last time an IT admin went I installed Win 2k3 becuase it has that cool logo thing that I like for a screensaver? I think it's a bigger problem than that. When was the last time Steve Ballmer responded to a complaint that his shiny new elephant d*ck screensaver crashed the system with the words Go fuck yourself? That's the kind of response some who claim to be high-ups in the FreeBSD community are giving here. That kind of attitude helps no one, least of all FreeBSD's reputation. Freeze! This is the BSDPD. Stop this shit immediately! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 01:49:20PM +, Kep Woof wrote: What are the key values of FreeBSD? I'd guess something like Freedom, Stability, Robustness, quality. The current logo looks like a FAT bloated Beastie that swallowed up too much code... [recently compiled 4.11 and 6.1, and it shows...] :-) Just kidding, of course: the *code* is excellent; unlike that poor logo design (wondering why they didn't add a nice necktie to please the suits). :-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:44:03PM +, Kep Woof wrote: This is free software man, if you don't like it, fix it yourself. What is the procedure to fix a logo? use send-pr(1), of course! Since we're talking about logos: when will the next time window open for a new try? I humbly suggest using 'FreeBSD' (the text, no graphics) as logo. The only parameter would be choosing the right distinctive font (let's call it the FreeBSD-Font) for it. Was that suggested back then? We used to have a 'FreeBSD' image on the old website. Perhaps that should have been used as a logo? ANYTHING would have been better than that current ugly sex-toy. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
On 10/5/06 13:13, fbsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a long time reader of this list I did not see any announcement of it here. Only after selection of the new logo was made was it talked about on this list People were very up set with it them and the ground swell over this has only gotten bigger. Loyal long time users are feeling insulted about being left out from the decision about the need for a new logo. A post in the archive give some lame reasons for a new logo which many people disagreed with even then but still the new legal FreeBSD foundation went ahead any how put it on the official website. I for one do not see an need to change the logo at all. That's no reason to tell lies. Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org
On 10/5/06 15:25, fbsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your negtave comments are foundless. A public vote is not an logistical near-impossibility. Hell just creating a special list to submit an email to as your yes or not vote is a simple solution and other solutions could be found one way or the other. I guess that's why the USENET voting procedures didn't just get abandoned. If you are insulted by my comments then I guess you belong the self righteous snobs group and I dont care about you. Funny, that. Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org
On 10/5/06 16:42, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone else think its a logo get over it? When was the last time an IT admin went I installed Win 2k3 becuase it has that cool logo thing that I like for a screensaver? I think it's a bigger problem than that. When was the last time Steve Ballmer responded to a complaint that his shiny new elephant d*ck screensaver crashed the system with the words Go fuck yourself? That's the kind of response some who claim to be high-ups in the FreeBSD community are giving here. Not a single high-up, whatever that means, has responded to this thread. Could be nice if people would stop lying while trying to make a point. Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
On 10/5/06 18:24, cpghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:44:03PM +, Kep Woof wrote: This is free software man, if you don't like it, fix it yourself. What is the procedure to fix a logo? use send-pr(1), of course! Since we're talking about logos: when will the next time window open for a new try? I humbly suggest using 'FreeBSD' (the text, no graphics) as logo. The only parameter would be choosing the right distinctive font (let's call it the FreeBSD-Font) for it. Was that suggested back then? We used to have a 'FreeBSD' image on the old website. Perhaps that should have been used as a logo? ANYTHING would have been better than that current ugly sex-toy. There were tens of submissions that just had the word 'FreeBSD'. The word 'FreeBSD' isn't a logo, or they looked crappy, so they lost. Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 05:28:55PM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote: Many professional logo design people never even knew about the contest to redesign the logo because it was not posted to the questions list where everyone reads. Not everyone reads the questions list. Heck, not even all the developers do, due to the low signal/noise ratio here. Uh-oh! A mindset like this would explain a lot of things. :-( Fortunately, there *are* developers here who do take users' questions seriously. cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 06:40:01PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: On 10/5/06 18:24, cpghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:44:03PM +, Kep Woof wrote: This is free software man, if you don't like it, fix it yourself. What is the procedure to fix a logo? use send-pr(1), of course! Since we're talking about logos: when will the next time window open for a new try? I humbly suggest using 'FreeBSD' (the text, no graphics) as logo. The only parameter would be choosing the right distinctive font (let's call it the FreeBSD-Font) for it. Was that suggested back then? We used to have a 'FreeBSD' image on the old website. Perhaps that should have been used as a logo? ANYTHING would have been better than that current ugly sex-toy. There were tens of submissions that just had the word 'FreeBSD'. Ah, good to know. Thank you. The word 'FreeBSD' isn't a logo, or they looked crappy, so they lost. What about 'SONY' or 'IBM'? They are logos too. Granted, not as long as 'FreeBSD', but a word doesn't disqualify as a logo just because it's a word. Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
I for one do not see an need to change the logo at all. That's no reason to tell lies. There's no reason to accuse people of telling lies without having any evidence, either. Can't wait till you get caught out. Jeff. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 05:51:10PM +, cpghost wrote: On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 06:40:01PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: On 10/5/06 18:24, cpghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:44:03PM +, Kep Woof wrote: This is free software man, if you don't like it, fix it yourself. What is the procedure to fix a logo? use send-pr(1), of course! Since we're talking about logos: when will the next time window open for a new try? I humbly suggest using 'FreeBSD' (the text, no graphics) as logo. The only parameter would be choosing the right distinctive font (let's call it the FreeBSD-Font) for it. Was that suggested back then? We used to have a 'FreeBSD' image on the old website. Perhaps that should have been used as a logo? ANYTHING would have been better than that current ugly sex-toy. There were tens of submissions that just had the word 'FreeBSD'. Ah, good to know. Thank you. The word 'FreeBSD' isn't a logo, or they looked crappy, so they lost. What about 'SONY' or 'IBM'? They are logos too. Granted, not as long as 'FreeBSD', but a word doesn't disqualify as a logo just because it's a word. I wouldn't sweat (or trust my memory to remember) the details. Most of them definitely said Free BSD though. Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere pgp71WmURAV4u.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 07:00:49PM +0100, Jeff Rollin wrote: I for one do not see an need to change the logo at all. That's no reason to tell lies. There's no reason to accuse people of telling lies without having any evidence, either. Statements were made which are provably untrue. Call it what you want. Can't wait till you get caught out. Sure. Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere pgp0JuGBhhMJU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
Since we're talking about logos: when will the next time window open for a new try? I humbly suggest using 'FreeBSD' (the text, Good idea. The word FreeBSD as it stood at the top of the freebsd.orgmainpage the day before the release of 6.1-RELEASE was nice. There were tens of submissions that just had the word 'FreeBSD'. Ah, good to know. Thank you. The word 'FreeBSD' isn't a logo, or they looked crappy, so they lost. What about 'SONY' or 'IBM'? They are logos too. Granted, not as long as 'FreeBSD', but a word doesn't disqualify as a logo just because it's a word. Technics is even longer. Daewoo and Sanyo are shorter, but foreign to all but the Koreans (in the first case) and the Japanese (in the second) Plus, the Koreans and the Japanese don't write in the Roman alphabet ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org
cpghost wrote: Uh-oh! A mindset like this would explain a lot of things. :-( Yes, it explains that some people are too busy to read hundreds of messages on this list, and would rather do something else like coding. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 05:47:44PM +, cpghost wrote: On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 05:28:55PM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote: Many professional logo design people never even knew about the contest to redesign the logo because it was not posted to the questions list where everyone reads. Not everyone reads the questions list. Heck, not even all the developers do, due to the low signal/noise ratio here. Uh-oh! A mindset like this would explain a lot of things. :-( Fortunately, there *are* developers here who do take users' questions seriously. You missed the point. Signal = questions from users about FreeBSD technical support. Noise = lots of whining about the logo. On the plus side, if you guys keep it up I'll be able to dramatically improve my view of the S/N ratio by adding those with nothing better to contribute than their indignation to my killfile (some are there already) so I *can* focus on the user questions. Kris pgp6mSGETyEC7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:33:14PM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote: Not everyone reads the questions list. Heck, not even all the developers do, due to the low signal/noise ratio here. Uh-oh! A mindset like this would explain a lot of things. :-( Fortunately, there *are* developers here who do take users' questions seriously. You missed the point. Signal = questions from users about FreeBSD technical support. Noise = lots of whining about the logo. Kris, compared to the whole volume of technical questions, the logo-related threads/postings are an infinitely small part. I won't bother counting on- and off-topic postings in the last couple of months to show how high S/N really is here. On the plus side, if you guys keep it up I'll be able to dramatically improve my view of the S/N ratio by adding those with nothing better to contribute than their indignation to my killfile (some are there already) so I *can* focus on the user questions. Feel free to do so. You've been of great help on this list many times before (thank you), so I'll hate being on your killfile, even for tech questions. But since it's your spare time, I understand this. Bye, Kris. Keep up the excellent work. Kris Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 09:04:31PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: On 9/5/06 11:56, cpghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Semi-seriously, www@: how about offering people a chance to individually customize that logo away? It's not really THAT important, but setting up a transparent proxy just to filter that banner out is kind of silly waste of time. Specify your own stylesheet, move along. Not a bad idea; thanks for that! Will try [User-CSS, I mean ;-)]. Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
Ceri Davies wrote: On 9/5/06 15:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:01 AM 5/9/2006, you wrote: I have to agree with the original poster. The logo is crap, and so is the font they've started to use since the announcement of FreeBSD6.1-RELEASE. At Me Too. At first I thought it was just a petty complaint. But if you're trying to sell FreeBSD to a boss or customer, a serious, business-like web site surely helps. The new one seems to borrow too much from the hax0r community's appearance. And the font overflows and looks like complete shit on my browser; usually this would just be blamed on using a Non Microsoft Browser (FireFox on windoze) but until we have IE for FBSD, it seems a legit complaint. The font overflows? We didn't change the font. Ceri well, i would expect the page to scale somehow better when i try to increase font size in mozilla. but if it can't even render properly when i choose officially via large text size option right on the page, then i must conclude it's not good and not ready for the public. :-( martin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
On 10/5/06 23:37, martinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ceri Davies wrote: On 9/5/06 15:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:01 AM 5/9/2006, you wrote: I have to agree with the original poster. The logo is crap, and so is the font they've started to use since the announcement of FreeBSD6.1-RELEASE. At Me Too. At first I thought it was just a petty complaint. But if you're trying to sell FreeBSD to a boss or customer, a serious, business-like web site surely helps. The new one seems to borrow too much from the hax0r community's appearance. And the font overflows and looks like complete shit on my browser; usually this would just be blamed on using a Non Microsoft Browser (FireFox on windoze) but until we have IE for FBSD, it seems a legit complaint. The font overflows? We didn't change the font. Ceri well, i would expect the page to scale somehow better when i try to increase font size in mozilla. but if it can't even render properly when i choose officially via large text size option right on the page, then i must conclude it's not good and not ready for the public. :-( That's an issue for www@ - over there. It also has nothing to do with the logo. Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/05/2006 11:42:17: hi, On 5/9/06, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then take this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's just flame bait here. I don't want a chat, I want to know where I can find out how we ended up with such a terrible logo. It seems people think it's a big joke? The new logo already looks dated, and will only get worse with time. This happened ages ago and was announced in the news section of the website See - http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ John it was only announced after the selection was over. freebsd users were not involved. this is not right. :-( also, the other entries were not published. so we can't really compare. it seems like the whole thing was intended to be quiet and public was just left out of the process. martin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
Ceri Davies wrote: On 10/5/06 23:37, martinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ceri Davies wrote: On 9/5/06 15:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:01 AM 5/9/2006, you wrote: I have to agree with the original poster. The logo is crap, and so is the font they've started to use since the announcement of FreeBSD6.1-RELEASE. At Me Too. At first I thought it was just a petty complaint. But if you're trying to sell FreeBSD to a boss or customer, a serious, business-like web site surely helps. The new one seems to borrow too much from the hax0r community's appearance. And the font overflows and looks like complete shit on my browser; usually this would just be blamed on using a Non Microsoft Browser (FireFox on windoze) but until we have IE for FBSD, it seems a legit complaint. The font overflows? We didn't change the font. Ceri well, i would expect the page to scale somehow better when i try to increase font size in mozilla. but if it can't even render properly when i choose officially via large text size option right on the page, then i must conclude it's not good and not ready for the public. :-( That's an issue for www@ - over there. It also has nothing to do with the logo. Ceri sure, i was replying on rendering issue (font overflows). anyway, i'm sending this to www@ as you suggested. martin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
Bill Moran wrote: On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:49:20 + Kep Woof [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Take a look at the netbsd logo if you want to see how it's done. It means something. It's neat. It represents the project. What we (the users) seem to have ended up with is a fussy and unelegent logo that has nothing to do with anythin, save for a pair of post-modern ice cream cones harking back to beastie. My brother went to school for graphic arts. When the contest was announced, we spend _several_weeks_ brainstorming, he and I, trying to come up with something that looked as cool as the NetBSD logo, while representing FreeBSD. We finally gave up without making a submission. The problem is that NetBSD (and OpenBSD as well, for that matter) somehow have more culture to them on the graphic arts side. NetBSD has long had the image of daemons raising the flag (mirroring the WWII photograph) which translated nicely into a logo. OpenBSD has long had the Blowfish, which can be rendered a number of interesting ways. And FreeBSD has what? The Beastie ... but the Beastie is *BSD in general, so what else is there ... ? The simple fact is, when you look at the new logo it only makes sense if you previously understand what it represents. The effect is that it represents nothing in particular, which is why it fails so fantasically. What are the key values of FreeBSD? I'd guess something like Freedom, Stability, Robustness, quality. Those values are not communicated in the new logo, and I think that's something that somebody with freebsd.org in their email address should seriously address. You're exactly right. Somebody other than you should take care of this. This is everyone's fault but yours. If you'd been in the loop from the start, this never would have happened. My goodness, why didn't we consult you earlier ... you obviously have all the answers. This is free software man, if you don't like it, fix it yourself. If you can't fix it, _ask_ someone else, or put up some cash to pay someone who can. But quit whining. You are a Troll. If you weren't a Troll, you'd have taken this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of staying on this list. bill, i'm afraid, this is not quite true. as for me, for instance, i had some objections and comments on logo and font as originally published. but i didn't get any serious responses on mailing lists. later i tried to get in touch with the creator and/or responsible people but to no avail. clearly, in this case it hasn't been easy for community to reach the right people nor it has been easy to influence the whole selection and stuff. m:( Go use Microsoft, they pay professional graphic artists big bucks to design their logos and their marketing materials, and you fund that with your Windows license fees. Or, _contribute_ something back to the wonderful free software community other than a lengthy email thread of whining. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kep Woof Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org Hi, I guess this is the wrong list, but I just looked at freebsd.org and saw the new logo. I really think it looks terrible. Everyone that I've spoken to agrees. It looks like some kind of sextoy/spacehopper, That's what it is, don't you know? and not becomming to the enterprise os we know and love. But it's not there for YOU my boy. You see, Beastie was getting rather constricted with the disappearance of Beastieess. He tried screwing the Penguin last year but that was just a one night stand. So we gave him a sex toy so he could at least go get some relief. Only problem is he keeps popping it. It's some sharp tines on the pitch fork, you know. Maybe it was the best from the competition you had, but I don't think it's good enough. Ask beastie, I think he's already smiling a bit wider. Is there somewhere this was discussed? The new logo already looks last year. Is there a plan to redesign it each year as design trends come and go? If you compare it to the debian, IBM, BMW, greenpeace, or google logos, the design relates in some way to the subject. I don't see that happening here. Well, it's kind of hard to have relations with a sex toy, but our Beastie is pretty constricted. Sorry if this is too late, or an unpopular opinion, or in the wrong place, but I just wondered if anyone thinks the new logo is good, and how long it's expected to last. I just think we need to get Beastie laid a bit more, then he won't need it. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 03:37:25AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I guess this is the wrong list, but I just looked at freebsd.org and saw the new logo. I really think it looks terrible. Everyone that I've spoken to agrees. It looks like some kind of sextoy/spacehopper, That's what it is, don't you know? Sorry if this is too late, or an unpopular opinion, or in the wrong place, but I just wondered if anyone thinks the new logo is good, and how long it's expected to last. I just think we need to get Beastie laid a bit more, then he won't need it. Yup! :-) We've been putting stickers with Beastie (and Beastie alone!) on all our FreeBSD servers. No weird sex toys allowed in our data center... Poor Beastie! :) Semi-seriously, www@: how about offering people a chance to individually customize that logo away? It's not really THAT important, but setting up a transparent proxy just to filter that banner out is kind of silly waste of time. Ted Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
Kep Woof [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Interested to hear what people think, Then take this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's just flame bait here. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
On 9/5/06 11:56, cpghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Semi-seriously, www@: how about offering people a chance to individually customize that logo away? It's not really THAT important, but setting up a transparent proxy just to filter that banner out is kind of silly waste of time. Specify your own stylesheet, move along. Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
On 9/5/06 15:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:01 AM 5/9/2006, you wrote: I have to agree with the original poster. The logo is crap, and so is the font they've started to use since the announcement of FreeBSD6.1-RELEASE. At Me Too. At first I thought it was just a petty complaint. But if you're trying to sell FreeBSD to a boss or customer, a serious, business-like web site surely helps. The new one seems to borrow too much from the hax0r community's appearance. And the font overflows and looks like complete shit on my browser; usually this would just be blamed on using a Non Microsoft Browser (FireFox on windoze) but until we have IE for FBSD, it seems a legit complaint. The font overflows? We didn't change the font. Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
On 9/5/06 10:52, Kep Woof [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I guess this is the wrong list, but I just looked at freebsd.org and saw the new logo. I really think it looks terrible. Everyone that I've spoken to agrees. It looks like some kind of sextoy/spacehopper, and not becomming to the enterprise os we know and love. Maybe it was the best from the competition you had, but I don't think it's good enough. Is there somewhere this was discussed? The new logo already looks last year. Is there a plan to redesign it each year as design trends come and go? If you compare it to the debian, IBM, BMW, greenpeace, or google logos, the design relates in some way to the subject. I don't see that happening here. Sorry if this is too late, or an unpopular opinion, or in the wrong place, but I just wondered if anyone thinks the new logo is good, and how long it's expected to last. Interested to hear what people think, I think you're trolling. Well done anyway. Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
On 5/9/06, Ceri Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/5/06 15:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:01 AM 5/9/2006, you wrote: I have to agree with the original poster. The logo is crap, and so is the font they've started to use since the announcement of FreeBSD6.1-RELEASE. At Me Too. At first I thought it was just a petty complaint. But if you're trying to sell FreeBSD to a boss or customer, a serious, business-like web site surely helps. The new one seems to borrow too much from the hax0r community's appearance. And the font overflows and looks like complete shit on my browser; usually this would just be blamed on using a Non Microsoft Browser (FireFox on windoze) but until we have IE for FBSD, it seems a legit complaint. The font overflows? We didn't change the font. I don't know about font overflows but I get the following http://people.freebsd.org/~ahze/bad-new-icon.png Michael Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
On 5/9/06, michael johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/9/06, Ceri Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/5/06 15:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:01 AM 5/9/2006, you wrote: I have to agree with the original poster. The logo is crap, and so is the font they've started to use since the announcement of FreeBSD6.1-RELEASE. At Me Too. At first I thought it was just a petty complaint. But if you're trying to sell FreeBSD to a boss or customer, a serious, business-like web site surely helps. The new one seems to borrow too much from the hax0r community's appearance. And the font overflows and looks like complete shit on my browser; usually this would just be blamed on using a Non Microsoft Browser (FireFox on windoze) but until we have IE for FBSD, it seems a legit complaint. The font overflows? We didn't change the font. I don't know about font overflows but I get the following http://people.freebsd.org/~ahze/bad-new-icon.pnghttp://people.freebsd.org/%7Eahze/bad-new-icon.png ehh, just ignore this. Something was cached, when I bypass proxy it works as intended. Sorry for the noise. Michael Michael Ceri -- That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
