Re: OT: xterm setup

2003-09-01 Thread Jesse Sheidlower
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 11:51:21AM +0200, Hendrik Hasenbein wrote:
 Jesse Sheidlower wrote:
 I recently upgraded my desktop to Gnome2, and of the various things
 that are causing me grief, the biggest is what's happened to my xterm
 windows. Now, after the change, it does three things differently and
 annoyingly: (1) it defaults to black/colored text on a white
 background; (2) it doesn't have a scrollbar of any sort; and (3)
 there's no menubar with basic File/Edit etc. options.
 
 Sounds like the gnome terminal or eterm. The standard xterm doesn't give 
 you a menubar.

Thanks for this and to others who replied. I've been so confused
by this that I dropped by the office to take a look at my Linux
(RH 7.3) box, only to discover that yes, I had been running
gnome-terminal there.

I've looked at the various options and decided that eterm looks
best and is easiest to get to the way I want, so I'm going with
that for now. Thanks for the various suggestions.

Best,

Jesse Sheidlower
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Re: OT: xterm setup

2003-08-31 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Aug 31), Jesse Sheidlower said:
 I recently upgraded my desktop to Gnome2, and of the various things
 that are causing me grief, the biggest is what's happened to my xterm
 windows. Now, after the change, it does three things differently and
 annoyingly: (1) it defaults to black/colored text on a white
 background; (2) it doesn't have a scrollbar of any sort; and (3)
 there's no menubar with basic File/Edit etc. options.
 
 I can somewhat get around (1) by launching it with xterm -r,
 although while this does display white/colored on black, it also
 makes other menus (e.g. those launched with ctrl-[mouse buttons])
 look incomplete. But (2) is the worst; I really need to have
 scrollbars with this. I see that there's a toggleable option to
 Enable Scrollbar that I get to with ctrl-Mouse2, but this isn't a
 regular scrollbar that I can click up and down on, with a moveable
 thumb, etc., as I used to have before the upgrade and as the
 gnome-terminal has now.

You must not have been using xterm before, then, since I don't believe
you can have any scrollbar other than the standard X-style (RMB scrolls
up, LMB scrolls down) bar, and it does not come with a menubar either.

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Re: OT: xterm setup

2003-08-31 Thread Jesse Sheidlower
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 12:24:41AM -0500, Dan Nelson wrote:
 In the last episode (Aug 31), Jesse Sheidlower said:
  I recently upgraded my desktop to Gnome2, and of the various things
  that are causing me grief, the biggest is what's happened to my xterm
  windows. Now, after the change, it does three things differently and
  annoyingly: (1) it defaults to black/colored text on a white
  background; (2) it doesn't have a scrollbar of any sort; and (3)
  there's no menubar with basic File/Edit etc. options.
  
  I can somewhat get around (1) by launching it with xterm -r,
  although while this does display white/colored on black, it also
  makes other menus (e.g. those launched with ctrl-[mouse buttons])
  look incomplete. But (2) is the worst; I really need to have
  scrollbars with this. I see that there's a toggleable option to
  Enable Scrollbar that I get to with ctrl-Mouse2, but this isn't a
  regular scrollbar that I can click up and down on, with a moveable
  thumb, etc., as I used to have before the upgrade and as the
  gnome-terminal has now.
 
 You must not have been using xterm before, then, since I don't believe
 you can have any scrollbar other than the standard X-style (RMB scrolls
 up, LMB scrolls down) bar, and it does not come with a menubar either.

Hmm. I certainly thought I was using xterm, as I recall setting
up the icon to launch xterm, and my .bashrc is setting TERM
to xterm-color rather than gnome-terminal or anything else.
And I'm rather sure that I have the exact same setup on my
Linux box, which is in the office and thus unavailable for me
to look at right now. It's also the case that the font displaying
with xterm now looks totally familiar, and the one displaying
with gnome-terminal is totally unfamiliar and ugly.

Is it possible that the functional scrollbars, etc., were an addition 
of the window manager, and if so is there any way to replicate it now?

Thanks.

Jesse Sheidlower
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Re: OT: xterm setup

2003-08-31 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Aug 31), Jesse Sheidlower said:
 Hmm. I certainly thought I was using xterm, as I recall setting up
 the icon to launch xterm, and my .bashrc is setting TERM to
 xterm-color rather than gnome-terminal or anything else. And I'm
 rather sure that I have the exact same setup on my Linux box, which
 is in the office and thus unavailable for me to look at right now.
 It's also the case that the font displaying with xterm now looks
 totally familiar, and the one displaying with gnome-terminal is
 totally unfamiliar and ugly.
 
 Is it possible that the functional scrollbars, etc., were an addition
 of the window manager, and if so is there any way to replicate it
 now?

Very unlikely.  The window manager has no idea what is inside the
rectangle it's managing, so the only useful menuitem it could put up
would be close

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Re: OT: xterm setup

2003-08-31 Thread T Kellers
Try eTerm, gnome seems to like it and it is very like the program whose 
features you need.

Tim Kellers
CPE/NJIT

On Sunday 31 August 2003 01:52, Dan Nelson wrote:
 In the last episode (Aug 31), Jesse Sheidlower said:
  Hmm. I certainly thought I was using xterm, as I recall setting up
  the icon to launch xterm, and my .bashrc is setting TERM to
  xterm-color rather than gnome-terminal or anything else. And I'm
  rather sure that I have the exact same setup on my Linux box, which
  is in the office and thus unavailable for me to look at right now.
  It's also the case that the font displaying with xterm now looks
  totally familiar, and the one displaying with gnome-terminal is
  totally unfamiliar and ugly.
 
  Is it possible that the functional scrollbars, etc., were an addition
  of the window manager, and if so is there any way to replicate it
  now?

 Very unlikely.  The window manager has no idea what is inside the
 rectangle it's managing, so the only useful menuitem it could put up
 would be close

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Re: OT: xterm setup

2003-08-31 Thread Hendrik Hasenbein
Jesse Sheidlower wrote:
I recently upgraded my desktop to Gnome2, and of the various things
that are causing me grief, the biggest is what's happened to my xterm
windows. Now, after the change, it does three things differently and
annoyingly: (1) it defaults to black/colored text on a white
background; (2) it doesn't have a scrollbar of any sort; and (3)
there's no menubar with basic File/Edit etc. options.
Sounds like the gnome terminal or eterm. The standard xterm doesn't give 
you a menubar.

I can somewhat get around (1) by launching it with xterm -r,
although while this does display white/colored on black, it also
makes other menus (e.g. those launched with ctrl-[mouse buttons])
look incomplete.
You can set up .Xresources to change the behaviour of all xterms:
XTerm*reverseVideo: true
XTerm*ScrollBar:off
XTerm*SaveLines:300
But (2) is the worst; I really need to have
scrollbars with this. I see that there's a toggleable option to
Enable Scrollbar that I get to with ctrl-Mouse2, but this isn't a
regular scrollbar that I can click up and down on, with a moveable
thumb, etc., as I used to have before the upgrade and as the
gnome-terminal has now.
Also:
XTerm*ScrollBar:off
XTerm*SaveLines:300
and 'xterm -sb'

Hmm. I certainly thought I was using xterm, as I recall setting
up the icon to launch xterm, and my .bashrc is setting TERM
to xterm-color rather than gnome-terminal or anything else.
TERM states the capabilities of the terminal. Since most terminals 
implements the same feature set for input as xterm does, they use the 
same entry in termcap.

Is it possible that the functional scrollbars, etc., were an addition 
of the window manager, and if so is there any way to replicate it now?
Use eterm or any other clone.

Hendrik

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