Re: Reading warnings when installing multiple ports
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 03:05:38PM +0200, Mel Flynn wrote: > On Saturday 16 May 2009 21:21:54 Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > > > Sometimes I get a question in the middle of an install that I do > > > > > > not know how to answer and it is an awfully inconvenient time to > > > > > > have to start scrounging for information.Having a commannd that > > > > > > would display all those things and maybe some related information > > > > > > or pointers to information for making an intelligent response - > > > > > > before starting the make - would be very helpful. > > > > > > > > > > Do you have specific examples? Cause I can't think of anything that > > > > > falls under your description. > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > I had a recent experience with editors/openoffice.org-2. Based on past > > > > experience I know that the compile would take a few hours. I started > > > > make and left to do some chores. When I returned I discovered that the > > > > program had aborted as I did not have java installed and had to > > > > download a patch from the Sun website. > > > > > > This can and will not ever be fixed, because it's a legal and not a > > > technical issue. > > > Once you know this, you know to install diablio-jdk first, which takes > > > 5-10 minutes pending download speed. > > > > Yes, I know it is a legal/license issue at Sun and I sort of know to do > > it now, having installed OO a couple of times. But, the point was and is, > > it would help people if the information about having to do it would > > come up right at the first, so a person could have it taken care of > > instead of starting an install which one knows will take hours so > > leaves to do something else and comes back and finds the install > > stopped hours ago because of something that could have and should > > have been taken care of before actually starting the install. > > JDK's should really set IS_INTERACTIVE if distfiles that are not available > cannot be downloaded without user intervention (MAINTAINER cc'd because of > this). This would signal portmaster to present you with a message before > starting the build and letting you go about your business. > > If your ports management software does not recurs through all configuration > dialogs before starting the build, you're not using the right tool for the > job. > > > Some variation of this, often involving entering a 'y' or 'n' at > > some point in the middle of an install that could have been done > > causing an environmental variable or some such to be set ahead of > > time exists in a number of ports I have installed. It is annoying > > to come back from a bunch of tiring meetings only to see that an > > install that could be finished has several more hours to run because > > it was waiting all that time for a y or n. > > This is where -DBATCH comes in. It silences all those. The ones that aren't > silenced and aren't legal issues, should be considered bugs. Various ports > management tools also support "automatic answer" features. Without ports > management software you can always run yes|make -DBATCH. That is one thing to do, but, the answer is not absolutely always 'y'. Advanced information is still desirable. jerry > > -- > Mel > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Reading warnings when installing multiple ports
On Saturday 16 May 2009 21:21:54 Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:24:42AM +0200, Mel Flynn wrote: > > On Friday 15 May 2009 19:26:00 mfv wrote: > > > On Tuesday 12 May 2009 13:53:35 Mel Flynn wrote: > > > > On Monday 11 May 2009 15:21:24 Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > > But, I very often wish there was a convenient way to see some of > > > > > those messages and especially messages about things one has to do > > > > > during the install, such as manually installing something or > > > > > getting some license thing handled, before I start the port > > > > > install. > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I get a question in the middle of an install that I do > > > > > not know how to answer and it is an awfully inconvenient time to > > > > > have to start scrounging for information.Having a commannd that > > > > > would display all those things and maybe some related information > > > > > or pointers to information for making an intelligent response - > > > > > before starting the make - would be very helpful. > > > > > > > > Do you have specific examples? Cause I can't think of anything that > > > > falls under your description. > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > I had a recent experience with editors/openoffice.org-2. Based on past > > > experience I know that the compile would take a few hours. I started > > > make and left to do some chores. When I returned I discovered that the > > > program had aborted as I did not have java installed and had to > > > download a patch from the Sun website. > > > > This can and will not ever be fixed, because it's a legal and not a > > technical issue. > > Once you know this, you know to install diablio-jdk first, which takes > > 5-10 minutes pending download speed. > > Yes, I know it is a legal/license issue at Sun and I sort of know to do > it now, having installed OO a couple of times. But, the point was and is, > it would help people if the information about having to do it would > come up right at the first, so a person could have it taken care of > instead of starting an install which one knows will take hours so > leaves to do something else and comes back and finds the install > stopped hours ago because of something that could have and should > have been taken care of before actually starting the install. JDK's should really set IS_INTERACTIVE if distfiles that are not available cannot be downloaded without user intervention (MAINTAINER cc'd because of this). This would signal portmaster to present you with a message before starting the build and letting you go about your business. If your ports management software does not recurs through all configuration dialogs before starting the build, you're not using the right tool for the job. > Some variation of this, often involving entering a 'y' or 'n' at > some point in the middle of an install that could have been done > causing an environmental variable or some such to be set ahead of > time exists in a number of ports I have installed. It is annoying > to come back from a bunch of tiring meetings only to see that an > install that could be finished has several more hours to run because > it was waiting all that time for a y or n. This is where -DBATCH comes in. It silences all those. The ones that aren't silenced and aren't legal issues, should be considered bugs. Various ports management tools also support "automatic answer" features. Without ports management software you can always run yes|make -DBATCH. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Reading warnings when installing multiple ports
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:24:42AM +0200, Mel Flynn wrote: > On Friday 15 May 2009 19:26:00 mfv wrote: > > On Tuesday 12 May 2009 13:53:35 Mel Flynn wrote: > > > On Monday 11 May 2009 15:21:24 Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > But, I very often wish there was a convenient way to see some of those > > > > messages and especially messages about things one has to do during > > > > the install, such as manually installing something or getting some > > > > license thing handled, before I start the port install. > > > > > > > > Sometimes I get a question in the middle of an install that I do not > > > > know how to answer and it is an awfully inconvenient time to have > > > > to start scrounging for information.Having a commannd that > > > > would display all those things and maybe some related information > > > > or pointers to information for making an intelligent response - before > > > > starting the make - would be very helpful. > > > > > > Do you have specific examples? Cause I can't think of anything that falls > > > under your description. > > > > Hello All, > > > > I had a recent experience with editors/openoffice.org-2. Based on past > > experience I know that the compile would take a few hours. I started make > > and left to do some chores. When I returned I discovered that the program > > had aborted as I did not have java installed and had to download a patch > > from the Sun website. > > This can and will not ever be fixed, because it's a legal and not a technical > issue. > Once you know this, you know to install diablio-jdk first, which takes 5-10 > minutes pending download speed. Yes, I know it is a legal/license issue at Sun and I sort of know to do it now, having installed OO a couple of times. But, the point was and is, it would help people if the information about having to do it would come up right at the first, so a person could have it taken care of instead of starting an install which one knows will take hours so leaves to do something else and comes back and finds the install stopped hours ago because of something that could have and should have been taken care of before actually starting the install. Some variation of this, often involving entering a 'y' or 'n' at some point in the middle of an install that could have been done causing an environmental variable or some such to be set ahead of time exists in a number of ports I have installed. It is annoying to come back from a bunch of tiring meetings only to see that an install that could be finished has several more hours to run because it was waiting all that time for a y or n. Building that improvement into ports installs and some additional why and wherefor information in the pkg-desc file or some other useful and readily available place would help the ports system. Of course, it would still be necessary to depend on the port maintainer to provide these accurately and completely. jerry > -- > Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Reading warnings when installing multiple ports
On Friday 15 May 2009 19:26:00 mfv wrote: > On Tuesday 12 May 2009 13:53:35 Mel Flynn wrote: > > On Monday 11 May 2009 15:21:24 Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > But, I very often wish there was a convenient way to see some of those > > > messages and especially messages about things one has to do during > > > the install, such as manually installing something or getting some > > > license thing handled, before I start the port install. > > > > > > Sometimes I get a question in the middle of an install that I do not > > > know how to answer and it is an awfully inconvenient time to have > > > to start scrounging for information.Having a commannd that > > > would display all those things and maybe some related information > > > or pointers to information for making an intelligent response - before > > > starting the make - would be very helpful. > > > > Do you have specific examples? Cause I can't think of anything that falls > > under your description. > > Hello All, > > I had a recent experience with editors/openoffice.org-2. Based on past > experience I know that the compile would take a few hours. I started make > and left to do some chores. When I returned I discovered that the program > had aborted as I did not have java installed and had to download a patch > from the Sun website. This can and will not ever be fixed, because it's a legal and not a technical issue. Once you know this, you know to install diablio-jdk first, which takes 5-10 minutes pending download speed. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Reading warnings when installing multiple ports
On Tuesday 12 May 2009 13:53:35 Mel Flynn wrote: > On Monday 11 May 2009 15:21:24 Jerry McAllister wrote: > > But, I very often wish there was a convenient way to see some of those > > messages and especially messages about things one has to do during > > the install, such as manually installing something or getting some > > license thing handled, before I start the port install. > > > > Sometimes I get a question in the middle of an install that I do not > > know how to answer and it is an awfully inconvenient time to have > > to start scrounging for information.Having a commannd that > > would display all those things and maybe some related information > > or pointers to information for making an intelligent response - before > > starting the make - would be very helpful. > > Do you have specific examples? Cause I can't think of anything that falls > under your description. Hello All, I had a recent experience with editors/openoffice.org-2. Based on past experience I know that the compile would take a few hours. I started make and left to do some chores. When I returned I discovered that the program had aborted as I did not have java installed and had to download a patch from the Sun website. I agree with Jerry about lining up all the necessary ducks so that an upgrade does not need constant attention. Using "portfetch -a -v" and "portconfig -a -v" followed by "portmaster -a -u -t -v" does most of the work but some configure screens still pop up. Cheers... Marek ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Reading warnings when installing multiple ports
On Tuesday 12 May 2009 21:04:57 Glen Barber wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Mel Flynn > > wrote: > > On Monday 11 May 2009 15:21:24 Jerry McAllister wrote: > >> But, I very often wish there was a convenient way to see some of those > >> messages and especially messages about things one has to do during > >> the install, such as manually installing something or getting some > >> license thing handled, before I start the port install. > >> > >> Sometimes I get a question in the middle of an install that I do not > >> know how to answer and it is an awfully inconvenient time to have > >> to start scrounging for information.Having a commannd that > >> would display all those things and maybe some related information > >> or pointers to information for making an intelligent response - before > >> starting the make - would be very helpful. > > > > Do you have specific examples? Cause I can't think of anything that falls > > under your description. > > Perhaps he is talking about the 'make options' output, such as what is > displayed right before x11-wm/fluxbox begins to build. That is the > only type of output I can ever remember seeing before a build begins. Well, there's "would you like to activate postfix in mailer.conf [y/n]", but that never triggered me to scrounge for info and can be handled by -DBATCH and setting POSTFIX_DEFAULT_MTA in /etc/make.conf (or not setting it if you don't wanna). -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Reading warnings when installing multiple ports
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Mel Flynn wrote: > On Monday 11 May 2009 15:21:24 Jerry McAllister wrote: > >> But, I very often wish there was a convenient way to see some of those >> messages and especially messages about things one has to do during >> the install, such as manually installing something or getting some >> license thing handled, before I start the port install. >> >> Sometimes I get a question in the middle of an install that I do not >> know how to answer and it is an awfully inconvenient time to have >> to start scrounging for information. Having a commannd that >> would display all those things and maybe some related information >> or pointers to information for making an intelligent response - before >> starting the make - would be very helpful. > > Do you have specific examples? Cause I can't think of anything that falls > under your description. Perhaps he is talking about the 'make options' output, such as what is displayed right before x11-wm/fluxbox begins to build. That is the only type of output I can ever remember seeing before a build begins. -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Reading warnings when installing multiple ports
On Monday 11 May 2009 15:21:24 Jerry McAllister wrote: > But, I very often wish there was a convenient way to see some of those > messages and especially messages about things one has to do during > the install, such as manually installing something or getting some > license thing handled, before I start the port install. > > Sometimes I get a question in the middle of an install that I do not > know how to answer and it is an awfully inconvenient time to have > to start scrounging for information.Having a commannd that > would display all those things and maybe some related information > or pointers to information for making an intelligent response - before > starting the make - would be very helpful. Do you have specific examples? Cause I can't think of anything that falls under your description. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Reading warnings when installing multiple ports
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 06:52:39AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > Kelly Jones wrote: > >I often use "make -DBATCH install" to install ports. > > > >Problem: many ports spew out a warning/todo message after you install > >them (eg, "you must manually create an x user" or something). > > > >Since ports install "recursively", I miss most of these messages. > > > >Can I tell ports to store these messages for me somewhere? > > > >Obviously, I can "make -DBATCH install > /tmp/outfile", but that'll > >log all the "install", "test", etc commands that I don't want to see: > >I just want to see the warnings at the end of each install. > > > portmaster will save up package messages and display them all at the > end of the session. I believe a similar feature is planned for portupgrade > but as far as I know it hasn't been released yet. > > In any case, you can redisplay the pkg-message for any installed port > by: > > % pkg_info -Dx portname > > Cheers, > > Matthew > This is handy and seems to work. But, I very often wish there was a convenient way to see some of those messages and especially messages about things one has to do during the install, such as manually installing something or getting some license thing handled, before I start the port install. Sometimes I get a question in the middle of an install that I do not know how to answer and it is an awfully inconvenient time to have to start scrounging for information.Having a commannd that would display all those things and maybe some related information or pointers to information for making an intelligent response - before starting the make - would be very helpful. jerry > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > Kent, CT11 9PW > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Reading warnings when installing multiple ports
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 04:49:27PM -0700, Kelly Jones wrote: > I often use "make -DBATCH install" to install ports. > > Problem: many ports spew out a warning/todo message after you install > them (eg, "you must manually create an x user" or something). > > Since ports install "recursively", I miss most of these messages. > > Can I tell ports to store these messages for me somewhere? > > Obviously, I can "make -DBATCH install > /tmp/outfile", but that'll > log all the "install", "test", etc commands that I don't want to see: > I just want to see the warnings at the end of each install. Check out script(1) It is not perfect, but it will put a copy of everything in and out in to a file that you can peruse later. There may be other ways, but this is easy. jerry > > -- > We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying > to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to > new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Reading warnings when installing multiple ports
Kelly Jones wrote: I often use "make -DBATCH install" to install ports. Problem: many ports spew out a warning/todo message after you install them (eg, "you must manually create an x user" or something). Since ports install "recursively", I miss most of these messages. Can I tell ports to store these messages for me somewhere? Obviously, I can "make -DBATCH install > /tmp/outfile", but that'll log all the "install", "test", etc commands that I don't want to see: I just want to see the warnings at the end of each install. portmaster will save up package messages and display them all at the end of the session. I believe a similar feature is planned for portupgrade but as far as I know it hasn't been released yet. In any case, you can redisplay the pkg-message for any installed port by: % pkg_info -Dx portname Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Reading warnings when installing multiple ports
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Kelly Jones wrote: > I often use "make -DBATCH install" to install ports. > > Problem: many ports spew out a warning/todo message after you install > them (eg, "you must manually create an x user" or something). > > Since ports install "recursively", I miss most of these messages. > > Can I tell ports to store these messages for me somewhere? > > Obviously, I can "make -DBATCH install > /tmp/outfile", but that'll > log all the "install", "test", etc commands that I don't want to see: > I just want to see the warnings at the end of each install. > Have a look at: /usr/ports///pkg-message Some ports have the message output in the Makefile instead. -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
