RE: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...

2006-04-12 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:04 PM
To: Nikolas Britton
Cc: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: RE: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...




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Nikolas Britton
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:25 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...


I think the ICH7 sata problem has already been fixed, check the logs
here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ata/ if not
jump onto the stable mailing list and start waving your hands.


I'm doing a make release on today's cvs as we speak, I'll see tomorrow
if it recognizes the disks.


Nikolas, 

  Just an update, no the ICH7R problem has not been fixed.

  OpenSUSE recognizes the array, though.

Ted
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Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...

2006-04-11 Thread Erik Norgaard
martinko wrote:

 i'm afraid todo page is not updated very often. at least this was the
 case when i was watching it during previous releases. so one was/is left
 to search through mailing lists for occasional background info.. :-(
 
 btw, there used to be a great site publishing summaries of current
 development -- http://www.xl0.org/FreeBSD/ -- it's been dead for more
 than 1 yr though :(

According to the last schedule the tree has been tagged, you can cvsup
RELENG_6_1, changes may still be committed depending on the experiences
of RC1 and RC2.

  http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.1R/schedule.html

Erik

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Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...

2006-04-11 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 3/30/06, Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I realise the answer to this question is when it's ready, but does anyone 
 have a rough idea how close to being ready 6.1 is?


The 6.1 branch was cut on the 5th, this means you can cvsup to
RELENG_6_1 branch and rebuild world to 6.1-RC. As for the release date
of the official 6.1-RC1 builds... It should have happened yesterday,
so expect it any time this week. 6.1-RELEASE should be released at the
end of this month or the beginning of next month If you look at
the schedule everything has been shifted out 1 month.

If you want my opinion on 6.1, it's ready right now, I've been running
a production server on 6.1 since BETA2, my main workstation at work
since BETA4 and my main workstation at home has been running 6.1 since
before BETA1 (tracking 6-STABLE). I've had no problems and feel that
It's far superior to FreeBSD 5.x, It's also alot faster then 5.x. The
more tester we have for the 6.1 release candidate runs the better
6.1-RELEASE will be!
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/index.html


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RE: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...

2006-04-11 Thread Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD
Thanks for the reply Nikolas - that's helpful. I ended up upgrading my laptop 
to 6.1-PRERELEASE (from 6.0-RELEASE) anyway, and haven't had any problems 
since. After your feedback I'll probably do the desktop shortly.

The only thing that's holding me back from moving my home server from 
5.3-RELEASE is that I've successfully got ndis working on it using the 'old' 
ndiscvt method and I'm a little reluctant to risk not being able to replicate 
my success with ndisgen under 6.x

Thanks again,


Peter Harrison 




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From: Nikolas Britton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...


On 3/30/06, Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I realise the answer to this question is when it's ready, 
but does anyone have a rough idea how close to being ready 6.1 is?


The 6.1 branch was cut on the 5th, this means you can cvsup to
RELENG_6_1 branch and rebuild world to 6.1-RC. As for the release date
of the official 6.1-RC1 builds... It should have happened yesterday,
so expect it any time this week. 6.1-RELEASE should be released at the
end of this month or the beginning of next month If you look at
the schedule everything has been shifted out 1 month.

If you want my opinion on 6.1, it's ready right now, I've been running
a production server on 6.1 since BETA2, my main workstation at work
since BETA4 and my main workstation at home has been running 6.1 since
before BETA1 (tracking 6-STABLE). I've had no problems and feel that
It's far superior to FreeBSD 5.x, It's also alot faster then 5.x. The
more tester we have for the 6.1 release candidate runs the better
6.1-RELEASE will be!
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributin
g/index.html


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RE: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...

2006-04-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
I beg to differ Nikolas, there is still work that needs to be
done on the disk driver.  See PR 95184.  It was right to shift the
release schedule.

I don't know what you running for hardware but I don't think many
people really appreciate what is going on with SATA these days,
how incredibly damn fast that mirrored SATA arrays of large 500Gb
disks are wiping everything else off the map.

In the servers that I have that ARE working with the new high
speed SATA array chipsets, the disk I/O is an order of magnitude
faster than anything else.  Faster than any UDMA drive, any SCSI
array you want to throw at it.  And larger.  and a LOT cheaper.

And disk space is getting so big so fast that mirroring is going
to be the only option for desktops Real Soon Now, because when you
have a gigabyte of disk space that is shipping standard with
a desktop PC and costs only $200  (which will happen by the middle
of next year) there's no way in hell that you can back that up
to anything, the costs of tape storage for an office full of
desktops like that would be out of the question.

And what is more frustrating is this is the best chance that has
come along for years to kick the crap out of Linux market share.
Linux support of SATA stinks, they are trying to send everyone to
the 3rd parties for drivers rather than incorporating them in
the Linux distros.  Well I can tell you that Ying-Tao cloney baloney
motherboard maker in Asia who is using an off-the-shelf raided SATA
chipset in their $1.99 motherboard-of-the-month, they aren't going
to provide drivers for anything other than Windows.

FreeBSD's support of mirrored sata and udma raid chips is already
better than Linux, but it needs to be absolutely top flight before
6.1 ships.

You can get around a lot of hardware support problems - such as
buggy drivers for the serial ports/network card/usb port/etc. -
but if your disk driver is buggy you cannot even get an OS on
the hardware that you can even patch.  You are dead in the water
and 99% of the people in that situation are going to toss the
FreeBSD 6.1 CD and go to something else.

Ted

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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:06 AM
To: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD
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Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...


On 3/30/06, Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I realise the answer to this question is when it's ready,
but does anyone have a rough idea how close to being ready 6.1 is?


The 6.1 branch was cut on the 5th, this means you can cvsup to
RELENG_6_1 branch and rebuild world to 6.1-RC. As for the release date
of the official 6.1-RC1 builds... It should have happened yesterday,
so expect it any time this week. 6.1-RELEASE should be released at the
end of this month or the beginning of next month If you look at
the schedule everything has been shifted out 1 month.

If you want my opinion on 6.1, it's ready right now, I've been running
a production server on 6.1 since BETA2, my main workstation at work
since BETA4 and my main workstation at home has been running 6.1 since
before BETA1 (tracking 6-STABLE). I've had no problems and feel that
It's far superior to FreeBSD 5.x, It's also alot faster then 5.x. The
more tester we have for the 6.1 release candidate runs the better
6.1-RELEASE will be!
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing
/index.html


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Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...

2006-04-11 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 4/11/06, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I beg to differ Nikolas, there is still work that needs to be
 done on the disk driver.  See PR 95184.  It was right to shift the
 release schedule.

 I don't know what you running for hardware but I don't think many
 people really appreciate what is going on with SATA these days,
 how incredibly damn fast that mirrored SATA arrays of large 500Gb
 disks are wiping everything else off the map.

 In the servers that I have that ARE working with the new high
 speed SATA array chipsets, the disk I/O is an order of magnitude
 faster than anything else.  Faster than any UDMA drive, any SCSI
 array you want to throw at it.  And larger.  and a LOT cheaper.

 And disk space is getting so big so fast that mirroring is going
 to be the only option for desktops Real Soon Now, because when you
 have a gigabyte of disk space that is shipping standard with
 a desktop PC and costs only $200  (which will happen by the middle
 of next year) there's no way in hell that you can back that up
 to anything, the costs of tape storage for an office full of
 desktops like that would be out of the question.


Yes... tell me about it, I have a 2TB SATA-II array and it's cheaper
to backup that array to another, off-site, array then it is to go with
tape. Tape is way behind the times when compared with SATA/IDE disk
sizes.

 And what is more frustrating is this is the best chance that has
 come along for years to kick the crap out of Linux market share.
 Linux support of SATA stinks, they are trying to send everyone to
 the 3rd parties for drivers rather than incorporating them in
 the Linux distros.  Well I can tell you that Ying-Tao cloney baloney
 motherboard maker in Asia who is using an off-the-shelf raided SATA
 chipset in their $1.99 motherboard-of-the-month, they aren't going
 to provide drivers for anything other than Windows.

 FreeBSD's support of mirrored sata and udma raid chips is already
 better than Linux, but it needs to be absolutely top flight before
 6.1 ships.


The person you should thank is Søren Schmidt, http://www.deepcore.dk/

 You can get around a lot of hardware support problems - such as
 buggy drivers for the serial ports/network card/usb port/etc. -
 but if your disk driver is buggy you cannot even get an OS on
 the hardware that you can even patch.  You are dead in the water
 and 99% of the people in that situation are going to toss the
 FreeBSD 6.1 CD and go to something else.


I think the ICH7 sata problem has already been fixed, check the logs
here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ata/ if not
jump onto the stable mailing list and start waving your hands.



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Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...

2006-04-11 Thread Bill Moran
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:32:08 -0700
Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And disk space is getting so big so fast that mirroring is going
 to be the only option for desktops Real Soon Now, because when you
 have a gigabyte of disk space that is shipping standard with
 a desktop PC and costs only $200  (which will happen by the middle
 of next year) there's no way in hell that you can back that up
 to anything, the costs of tape storage for an office full of
 desktops like that would be out of the question.

I assume you meant to say a terabyte of disk space instead of
gigabyte?

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RE: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...

2006-04-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:25 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...


On 4/11/06, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I beg to differ Nikolas, there is still work that needs to be
 done on the disk driver.  See PR 95184.  It was right to shift the
 release schedule.

 I don't know what you running for hardware but I don't think many
 people really appreciate what is going on with SATA these days,
 how incredibly damn fast that mirrored SATA arrays of large 500Gb
 disks are wiping everything else off the map.

 In the servers that I have that ARE working with the new high
 speed SATA array chipsets, the disk I/O is an order of magnitude
 faster than anything else.  Faster than any UDMA drive, any SCSI
 array you want to throw at it.  And larger.  and a LOT cheaper.

 And disk space is getting so big so fast that mirroring is going
 to be the only option for desktops Real Soon Now, because when you
 have a gigabyte of disk space that is shipping standard with
 a desktop PC and costs only $200  (which will happen by the middle
 of next year) there's no way in hell that you can back that up
 to anything, the costs of tape storage for an office full of
 desktops like that would be out of the question.


Yes... tell me about it, I have a 2TB SATA-II array and it's cheaper
to backup that array to another, off-site, array then it is to go with
tape. Tape is way behind the times when compared with SATA/IDE disk
sizes.

 And what is more frustrating is this is the best chance that has
 come along for years to kick the crap out of Linux market share.
 Linux support of SATA stinks, they are trying to send everyone to
 the 3rd parties for drivers rather than incorporating them in
 the Linux distros.  Well I can tell you that Ying-Tao cloney baloney
 motherboard maker in Asia who is using an off-the-shelf raided SATA
 chipset in their $1.99 motherboard-of-the-month, they aren't going
 to provide drivers for anything other than Windows.

 FreeBSD's support of mirrored sata and udma raid chips is already
 better than Linux, but it needs to be absolutely top flight before
 6.1 ships.


The person you should thank is Søren Schmidt, http://www.deepcore.dk/

 You can get around a lot of hardware support problems - such as
 buggy drivers for the serial ports/network card/usb port/etc. -
 but if your disk driver is buggy you cannot even get an OS on
 the hardware that you can even patch.  You are dead in the water
 and 99% of the people in that situation are going to toss the
 FreeBSD 6.1 CD and go to something else.


I think the ICH7 sata problem has already been fixed, check the logs
here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ata/ if not
jump onto the stable mailing list and start waving your hands.


I'm doing a make release on today's cvs as we speak, I'll see tomorrow
if it recognizes the disks.

Ted

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RE: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...

2006-04-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Yup!

Ted

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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:28 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...


On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:32:08 -0700
Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And disk space is getting so big so fast that mirroring is going
 to be the only option for desktops Real Soon Now, because when you
 have a gigabyte of disk space that is shipping standard with
 a desktop PC and costs only $200  (which will happen by the middle
 of next year) there's no way in hell that you can back that up
 to anything, the costs of tape storage for an office full of
 desktops like that would be out of the question.

I assume you meant to say a terabyte of disk space instead of
gigabyte?

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Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...

2006-04-10 Thread martinko
Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD wrote:
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From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 April 2006 20:29
To: Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...


On 30/03/06, Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I realise the answer to this question is when it's ready, 

but does anyone have a rough idea how close to being ready 6.1 is?

Thanks,

Peter Harrison





I think the closest way of knowing is checking the todo page and when
they mostly say resolved it may be close to been ready.

Chris
 
 
 Thanks for this Chris - I'll keep an eye on the todo page, and I've bitten 
 the bullet and upgraded to 6-STABLE (6.1-PRERELEASE) in the meantime.
 
 
 Peter
 


i'm afraid todo page is not updated very often. at least this was the
case when i was watching it during previous releases. so one was/is left
to search through mailing lists for occasional background info.. :-(

btw, there used to be a great site publishing summaries of current
development -- http://www.xl0.org/FreeBSD/ -- it's been dead for more
than 1 yr though :(

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RE: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...

2006-04-03 Thread Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD
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On 30/03/06, Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I realise the answer to this question is when it's ready, 
but does anyone have a rough idea how close to being ready 6.1 is?

 Thanks,

 Peter Harrison



 
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I think the closest way of knowing is checking the todo page and when
they mostly say resolved it may be close to been ready.

Chris

Thanks for this Chris - I'll keep an eye on the todo page, and I've bitten the 
bullet and upgraded to 6-STABLE (6.1-PRERELEASE) in the meantime.


Peter

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Re: Timescale for 6.1-RELEASE...

2006-04-02 Thread Chris
On 30/03/06, Harrison Peter CSA BIRKENHEAD
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 I realise the answer to this question is when it's ready, but does anyone 
 have a rough idea how close to being ready 6.1 is?

 Thanks,

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I think the closest way of knowing is checking the todo page and when
they mostly say resolved it may be close to been ready.

Chris
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