Re: To track or not to track

2006-03-10 Thread Derek Ragona

Yes I use the same CVS tags for the ports and user, and src.

-Derek




At 11:15 PM 3/9/2006, Chris Maness wrote:



I just wanted to get pros and cons for tracking the whole port tree on a 
production server.


Any opinions?

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Derek Ragona wrote:

Chris,

I will use a CVS tag to update a release for any officially reported 
security issues.  You can look up the right tags here:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html

However, with production boxes, I have either non-production boxes I 
update first to test the release, or secondary production boxes I update first.


I only update these systems if the security issue will effect the 
use.  For instance, if it is an issue with ipfw, but I am not using that 
on a box, I don't bother to update it.


Hope this helps,

-Derek


Are you using these tags for the ports or the base system + userland?  I 
love the way that I can track the security/bug fixes by tracking a branch 
of the code for the src directory.  It would be nice if ports forked too.

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Re: To track or not to track

2006-03-09 Thread Chris Maness





I just wanted to get pros and cons for tracking the whole port tree 
on a production server.


Any opinions?

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Derek Ragona wrote:

Chris,

I will use a CVS tag to update a release for any officially reported 
security issues.  You can look up the right tags here:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html

However, with production boxes, I have either non-production boxes I 
update first to test the release, or secondary production boxes I 
update first.


I only update these systems if the security issue will effect the 
use.  For instance, if it is an issue with ipfw, but I am not using 
that on a box, I don't bother to update it.


Hope this helps,

-Derek


Are you using these tags for the ports or the base system + userland?  I 
love the way that I can track the security/bug fixes by tracking a 
branch of the code for the src directory.  It would be nice if ports 
forked too.

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Re: To track or not to track

2006-03-08 Thread Greg Barniskis

Chris Maness wrote:
I just wanted to get pros and cons for tracking the whole port tree on a 
production server.


Any opinions?


If by track you mean regularly download, compile and install all
available updates, the big con is that you can sometimes break your
box. More frequently you won't break anything but may need to spend
considerable time babysitting the process, often needlessly since
many updates are for features you'll never use.

Tracking updates aggressively is a job for a dedicated build/test
server that makes packages and dishes them out on demand, as needed
(via NFS, rsync or your favorite sync method) first to other test
servers and then to production servers.This way production boxes 
only get tested updates, on your schedule, for your reasons.


You can best follow the not broke, don't fix credo by regularly
doing cvsup (in case an upgrade is suddenly required), but only
doing updates on production servers when:

* there is an official FreeBSD security alert

* portaudit throws a fit based on one or more of your installed port
versions

* some business requirement of yours creates a definitive need to 
have the latest version of something



--
Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator
South Central Library System (SCLS)
Library Interchange Network (LINK)
gregb at scls.lib.wi.us, (608) 266-6348

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Re: To track or not to track

2006-03-08 Thread Philip Hallstrom
I just wanted to get pros and cons for tracking the whole port tree on a 
production server.


Any opinions?


Tracking it isn't going to take a lot of space.  Although if it's a 
serious production server (as opposed to my home production server :-) I 
don't know if I'd install ports on it before I'd done it somewhere else 
first.


For me... I've found having a jail 'sandbox' setup is a great way to 
install ports, test, make packages, then install those packages on my 
production box.


-philip
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