Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-04 Thread Charles Richards
Just FWIW, the proper way to do online expansion with ZFS is quite different than that of a RAID controller, as doing a regular OCE process is quite difficult in ZFS (due to the variable-size stripes that ZFS uses, which makes the simple expansion of regular RAID-5 or RAID-6 not workable -

Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-03 Thread Frederique Rijsdijk
Charles Richards wrote: If his data (photo / video storage) is that important, then perhaps he wants to do soemthing else ... but for a cheap way to get tons of storage, ZFS can't be beat. Of course I'm backing up the very important data on a daily basis (de photo's mainly), but the videos

Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-03 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:00:09 +0100 Frederique Rijsdijk frederi...@isafeelin.org wrote: I also read/noticed that ZFS seems to run best on AMD64 platforms. That's not quite correct. ZFS runs best on 64bits platforms. -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | SunOS sxce

Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-03 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
Hello About your zfs experience... please let me tell mine.. I was having toubles with ufs2 on some small servers (desktop grade) machines running postgresql (64 bits, or 32 bits) all running FreeBSD 7.X some still 6.X... the problem is that sometimes the database brokes because the ufs2

Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-03 Thread Frederique Rijsdijk
After some reading, I come back from my original idea. Main reason is I'd like to be able to grow the fs as the need develops in time. One could create a raidz zpool with a couple of disks, but when adding a disk later on, it will not become part of the raidz (I tested this). It seems vdevs

Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Hi freebsd-questions, For personal use (photo/video storage), I'm looking into creating a huge single ZFS (raidz) volume that will replace my current collection of drives used as storage. I'm thinking 4*1TB drives in RAID5(z). think twice before doing. My question is regarding the flavour

Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-02 Thread Eric Masson
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl writes: Hi, think twice before doing. Could you elaborate please ? Regards Éric Masson -- [Linux] c'est une philosophie un art de vivre, un état intérieur, une sorte de fluide qui nous entoure et nous pénètre. Fais tourner stp ! -+-

Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-02 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:40:38 +0100 Eric Masson e...@free.fr wrote: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl writes: think twice before doing. Could you elaborate please ? Not again this anti-zfs story please.. -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | SunOS

Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
think twice before doing. Could you elaborate please ? ZFS still doesn't work as described ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to

Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl writes: think twice before doing. Could you elaborate please ? Not again this anti-zfs story please.. already described it some time ago. it's not my data anyway ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-02 Thread stan
On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 05:48:27PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: think twice before doing. Could you elaborate please ? ZFS still doesn't work as described ... Is that comment FreeBSD specifc, or aimed at ZFS in general? -- One of the main causes of the fall of the roman empire was

Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-02 Thread David N
2009/1/3 Frederique Rijsdijk frederi...@isafeelin.org: Hi freebsd-questions, For personal use (photo/video storage), I'm looking into creating a huge single ZFS (raidz) volume that will replace my current collection of drives used as storage. I'm thinking 4*1TB drives in RAID5(z). My

Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-02 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:17:30 -0500 stan st...@panix.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 05:48:27PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: think twice before doing. Could you elaborate please ? ZFS still doesn't work as described ... Is that comment FreeBSD specifc, or aimed at ZFS in

Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-02 Thread Charles Richards
think twice before doing. Why? I've had better luck with ZFS than I've had with VINUM and GEOM in the past, and I've put my ZFS array through alot of stress. If his data (photo / video storage) is that important, then perhaps he wants to do soemthing else ... but for a cheap way to get

Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
ZFS still doesn't work as described ... Is that comment FreeBSD specifc, or aimed at ZFS in general? general. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail

Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-02 Thread Steve Bertrand
dick hoogendijk wrote: On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:17:30 -0500 stan st...@panix.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 05:48:27PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: think twice before doing. Could you elaborate please ? ZFS still doesn't work as described ... Is that comment FreeBSD specifc, or aimed at

Re: Using HDD's for ZFS: 'desktop' vs 'raid / enterprise' -edition drives?

2009-01-02 Thread Steve Bertrand
Steve Bertrand wrote: dick hoogendijk wrote: On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:17:30 -0500 stan st...@panix.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 05:48:27PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: think twice before doing. Could you elaborate please ? ZFS still doesn't work as described ... Is that comment