Re: Which Distro?
Viper wrote: I am going to buy a Mac g4 soon, and I am thinking about turning it into a server. I asked around and everybody rocommended FreeBSD to me. So what distro of FreeBSD would I use for a mac computer? Maybe you could try the freebsd ppc mailing list, the 'latest' news at the freebsd ppc site is over 2 years old, then they almost had it booting...I have no idea what the current state of the ppc project is. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Distro?
What's wrong with running OSX/Darwin? You wouldn't run DOS on a SGI Ony4 would you? just my 2 cts Arno On 14 sep 2004, at 05:45, shane mullins wrote: I am not a Mac user by any means, but I think FreeBSD supports newer Macs. http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ppc.html Shane - Original Message - From: Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: Which Distro? Viper writes: I am going to buy a Mac g4 soon, and I am thinking about turning it into a server. I asked around and everybody rocommended FreeBSD to me. So what distro of FreeBSD would I use for a mac computer? 1) There is no FreeBSD port for the PPC. (Or rather, there is, not usable as far as I know.) If you insist on running pure-strain UNIX try NetBSD. 2) Many programs which run on FreeBSD have a version for OS X. Robert Huff ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Distro?
On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 08:27:40PM -0700, Viper wrote: I am going to buy a Mac g4 soon, and I am thinking about turning it into a server. I asked around and everybody rocommended FreeBSD to me. So what distro of FreeBSD would I use for a mac computer? As mentioned, there is no such thing as FreeBSD distributions. Also FreeBSD is not ready (yet) for the Mac. If you want to run a BSD on your Mac (other than Darwin/OSX), you may want to try NetBSD or OpenBSD. They have ppc ports, and I have ran them both on an iMac. Checkout http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/ and http://www.openbsd.org/macppc.html GH ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Distro?
On Sep 13, 2004, at 11:27 PM, Viper wrote: I am going to buy a Mac g4 soon, and I am thinking about turning it into a server. I asked around and everybody rocommended FreeBSD to me. So what distro of FreeBSD would I use for a mac computer? As far as I know, there isn't a freebsd release for the PPC chip. There is a version of NetBSD, though, and there's Darwin. Personally, I'd say stick with the OS X that comes with a new G4 system. It *IS* Darwin underneath, much of it is *based* on FreeBSD, and can make a decent server system (plus it would support OS X programs as well as the UNIX programs). Are you going to use it exclusively as a server? You could just put Darwin on it if you really wanted to. If you're going to have it play double duty as a desktop system, keep OS X on it. If you just want to play with different OS's on it, try NetBSD. If you really want to try FreeBSD, get Virtual PC for the Mac and see if it will install FreeBSD into a virtual machine :-) -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Distro?
On Sep 13, 2004, at 11:27 PM, Viper wrote: I am going to buy a Mac g4 soon, and I am thinking about turning it into a server. I asked around and everybody rocommended FreeBSD to me. So what distro of FreeBSD would I use for a mac computer? As far as I know, there isn't a freebsd release for the PPC chip. There is a version of NetBSD, though, and there's Darwin. Personally, I'd say stick with the OS X that comes with a new G4 system. It *IS* Darwin underneath, much of it is *based* on FreeBSD, and can make a decent server system (plus it would support OS X programs as well as the UNIX programs). Are you going to use it exclusively as a server? You could just put Darwin on it if you really wanted to. If you're going to have it play double duty as a desktop system, keep OS X on it. If you just want to play with different OS's on it, try NetBSD. If you really want to try FreeBSD, get Virtual PC for the Mac and see if it will install FreeBSD into a virtual machine :-) -Bart There is a PPC FreeBSD version, but the 'latest' news on the site dates from over two years back, But I've just browsed the FreeBSD PPC mailing list and it's still active. Judging by the topics they have not stopped working in the last two years and it seems to run now on PPC based computers. Probably not as good as on Tier 1 architectures, the PPC is currently a Tier 2 architecture so some things might still be a little 'experimental' :) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/archs.html Viper, If you still like to try FreeBSD I'd give the it a go on the PPC, see how it works out :) If it's too much of an experiment and/or trouble you could try NetBSD. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Which Distro?
-Original Message- From: Robert Huff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Which Distro? shane mullins writes: I am not a Mac user by any means, but I think FreeBSD supports newer Macs. http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ppc.html From the FAQ: What is the current status? FreeBSD/PowerPC currently is on the verge of booting to single-user mode. Not usable. Not even close to being usable. (Not a slam at the PPC porters, but rather a nod at the immense amount of work yet to be done.) That hasnt been updated in months from what I can tell the PPC list sounds like its further alone then that. Can anyone verify that please? Robert Huff ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it is addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject to intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed and are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and then immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without copying, distributing or disclosing same. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Which Distro?
Michael Clark writes: http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ppc.html That hasnt been updated in months from what I can tell the PPC list sounds like its further alone then that. Agreed. However, I submit this is the first place someone is likely to find and having read this will look no further. Robert Huff ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: Which Distro?
I am going to buy a Mac g4 soon, and I am thinking about turning it into a server. I asked around and everybody rocommended FreeBSD to me. So what distro of FreeBSD would I use for a mac computer? Everybody recommended you run FreeBSD on a Mac? Get some new friends :) OSX is a pretty good UNIX, so why not use that? -- She is not refined. She is not unrefined. She keeps a parrot. -- Mark Twain Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Distro?
I've been watching the PPC list for about a month now. One of the regulars has posted a bootable iso that will allow you to get an install of freebsd up on a G4/G3 mac. It does not work on G5s due to changes in the architecture. From what i've read, it appears that you can easily get into single user and mutliuser mode works aside from problems with specific apps and some terminal issues. For example, sendmail isn't working right. Its not ready for server/production use by any means. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Distro?
On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 12:43:51PM +0200, freebsd-questions said: What's wrong with running OSX/Darwin? You wouldn't run DOS on a SGI Ony4 would you? It's just cool, that's all. Although OS/X is built around the FreeBSD Kernel, the coolest part about this project is that it could possible make FreeBSD the *only* alternative operating system that can be run on Macintosh architecture. As far as I know. -- Adam Smith ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Distro?
On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 08:45:07AM +0930, Adam Smith said: On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 12:43:51PM +0200, freebsd-questions said: What's wrong with running OSX/Darwin? You wouldn't run DOS on a SGI Ony4 would you? It's just cool, that's all. Although OS/X is built around the FreeBSD Kernel, the coolest part about this project is that it could possible make FreeBSD the *only* alternative operating system that can be run on Macintosh architecture. As far as I know. Well apparently there is a version of NetBSD. -- Adam Smith Internode : http://www.internode.on.net Phone : (08) 8228 2999 Dog for sale: Eats lots and is fond of children. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Distro?
On Sep 14, 2004, at 5:15 PM, Adam Smith wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 12:43:51PM +0200, freebsd-questions said: What's wrong with running OSX/Darwin? You wouldn't run DOS on a SGI Ony4 would you? It's just cool, that's all. Although OS/X is built around the FreeBSD Kernel, the coolest part about this project is that it could possible make FreeBSD the *only* alternative operating system that can be run on Macintosh architecture. As far as I know. You already mentioned NetBSD. Linux also runs on Macs. Chad ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Distro?
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:46:50 +0930 Adam Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 08:45:07AM +0930, Adam Smith said: On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 12:43:51PM +0200, freebsd-questions said: What's wrong with running OSX/Darwin? You wouldn't run DOS on a SGI Ony4 would you? It's just cool, that's all. Although OS/X is built around the FreeBSD Kernel, the coolest part about this project is that it could possible make FreeBSD the *only* alternative operating system that can be run on Macintosh architecture. As far as I know. Well apparently there is a version of NetBSD. No, not the only non-OSX OS that runs on Mac hardware... there is atleast one linux distro aimed at it mainly or something like that... yellowdog or something like that... ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Distro?
On 2004/09/15, at 11:44, Vulpes Velox wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:46:50 +0930 Adam Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 08:45:07AM +0930, Adam Smith said: On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 12:43:51PM +0200, freebsd-questions said: What's wrong with running OSX/Darwin? You wouldn't run DOS on a SGI Ony4 would you? It's just cool, that's all. Although OS/X is built around the FreeBSD Kernel, the coolest part about this project is that it could possible make FreeBSD the *only* alternative operating system that can be run on Macintosh architecture. As far as I know. Well apparently there is a version of NetBSD. No, not the only non-OSX OS that runs on Mac hardware... there is atleast one linux distro aimed at it mainly or something like that... yellowdog or something like that... AFAIK, the linux distros that run on mac are Yellow Dog, Debian, Gentoo and Mandrake. --- Choy Kho Yee url: http://dotkoyi.infoseek.ne.jp/ blog: http://dotkoyi.blogspot.com/ There are only 10 types of people in the world, i.e. those who understand binary numbers and those who do not. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Distro?
What do you mean by distro? FreeBSD doesn't have distrobutions by vendors. It is a complete OS in itself. I you mean version, if you are new to FreeBSD, I would suggest 4.10. Shane - Original Message - From: Viper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Which Distro? I am going to buy a Mac g4 soon, and I am thinking about turning it into a server. I asked around and everybody rocommended FreeBSD to me. So what distro of FreeBSD would I use for a mac computer? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Distro?
Viper wrote: I am going to buy a Mac g4 soon, and I am thinking about turning it into a server. I asked around and everybody rocommended FreeBSD to me. So what distro of FreeBSD would I use for a mac computer? Unlike Linux - there isn't a distro of FreeBSD. There are however, version numbers and architects -- Best regards, Chris The love letter you finally got the courage to send will be delayed in the mail long enough for you to make a fool of yourself in person. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Distro?
I am not a Mac user by any means, but I think FreeBSD supports newer Macs. http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ppc.html Shane - Original Message - From: Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: Which Distro? Viper writes: I am going to buy a Mac g4 soon, and I am thinking about turning it into a server. I asked around and everybody rocommended FreeBSD to me. So what distro of FreeBSD would I use for a mac computer? 1) There is no FreeBSD port for the PPC. (Or rather, there is, not usable as far as I know.) If you insist on running pure-strain UNIX try NetBSD. 2) Many programs which run on FreeBSD have a version for OS X. Robert Huff ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Distro?
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Viper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to buy a Mac g4 soon, and I am thinking about turning it into a server. I asked around and everybody rocommended FreeBSD to me. So what distro of FreeBSD would I use for a mac computer? Not quite ready yet... http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ppc.html http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Distro?
shane mullins writes: I am not a Mac user by any means, but I think FreeBSD supports newer Macs. http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ppc.html From the FAQ: What is the current status? FreeBSD/PowerPC currently is on the verge of booting to single-user mode. Not usable. Not even close to being usable. (Not a slam at the PPC porters, but rather a nod at the immense amount of work yet to be done.) Robert Huff ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
