Re: Why do you prefer FreeBSD???? Maybe Windows is more comfortable than FBSD?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- ~ On 24-Sep-2003, Denis wrote message Why do you prefer FreeBSD Maybe Windows is more comfortable ~ I think that WinXP more popular and more easy than FreeBSD. People all over the world know what is Windows but don't know what is Sorry, I don't know the origin of this relevent quote: Claiming that your operating system is the best in the world because more people use it is like saying McDonalds makes the best food in the world. ~~ Andy Harrison (full headers for details) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBP3rKTFPEkLgodAWVAQE3MQQAipi64GcZNo/6G2qEFZmKbE18mneD1zNM CAQCsjg7rVZy3N/iUcxMOI/N75oCV7BAkHBRI4yvYP0XR2REVl/Wsx1Ut/7dnQFk 0Lh1kt7h9Y5J/pyvgXxlyWm15Ev8alCtfph+mMWjM53+so5vXP/b7kpyLq/zPale U7bJlOSk05o= =4AA0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do you prefer FreeBSD???? Maybe Windows is more comfortable than FBSD?
On 10/01/03 08:36 AM, Andy Harrison sat at the `puter and typed: ~ On 24-Sep-2003, Denis wrote message Why do you prefer FreeBSD Maybe Windows is more comfortable ~ I think that WinXP more popular and more easy than FreeBSD. People all over the world know what is Windows but don't know what is Sorry, I don't know the origin of this relevent quote: Claiming that your operating system is the best in the world because more people use it is like saying McDonalds makes the best food in the world. I see the trolls have been back while I was on vacation. I'm actually sorry I missed this thread (no, thank you, that's not an invitation to send it to me :). All I'm gonna say is I've got my desktop tweaked out to a point that I am so comfortable with it that I don't have to think about how to do something, I just think about it and it happens. And MY desktop will work exactly the same on any Linux, FreeBSD, and with a little work, Solaris - probably any other *nix I care to try too. And these days, I feel like a fish on pluto when I have to screw with someone's M$ can - totally un-intuitive if you ask me. Funny how the keyboards are the best thing on the market with the M$ name, but you can hardly do anything in their UI with it. I hate the mouse. If it weren't for the browsers, I'd probably never touch the stupid thing (I know all about lynx, but when you're a web developer, you need to see what everyone else is seeing - screw IE). That's enough of my garbage for the troll. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ Every living thing wants to survive. -- Spock, The Ultimate Computer, stardate 4731.3 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do you prefer FreeBSD???? Maybe Windows is more comfortable than FBSD?
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 11:05:47PM +0400, Denis wrote: This mailing list is dedicated to FreeBSD. I know that users of FreeBSD more than users of Windows Yes, we more than users of Windows, and we will continue to more until users of Windows less than us! That is why we use FreeBSD. Marc. -- Marc Ramirez Blue Circle Software Corporation 513-688-1070 (main) 513-382-1270 (direct) http://www.bluecirclesoft.com http://www.mrami.com (personal) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do you prefer FreeBSD???? Maybe Windows is more comfortable
Hi All!!! I think that WinXP more popular and more easy than FreeBSD. People all over the world know what is Windows but don't know what is FreeBSD. More programs is written work on Windows Windows more comfortable in work with graph... If windows more popular and more program work on windows why do you use FreeBSD? The popularity of MS-win is due to marketing and market manipulation first by IBM/Microsoft, then by Microsoft/IBM and now by Microsoft. Despite what some MS advocates say, it has little to do with the quality of the system I am beginner and I don't understand why a lot of people say that FreeBSD it's cool. Why? FreeBSD is superior for serious computing work and as a server system. What do you prefer FreeBSD or Windows??? Generally FreeBSD for almost everything, but I am stuck with MS for some things and so I use it too, but with ever present fear of getting trashed by the latest defect. This mailing list is dedicated to FreeBSD. I know that users of FreeBSD more than users of Windows Please try understand me correctly. Thanks for any answer! There are dozens, probably hundreds, of postings and articles writen on this subject. Try Google or some other search engine and you will be inundated with commentary - some of it even fairly thoughtful and useful amidst the emotional diatribes. If you REALLY want to know the value of FreeBSD, install it and use it for some serious computer work such as running a network server or doing significant databases or numerical proessing. You need to use it long enough to become truely familiar and to get past your MS habits. Then it will begin to dawn on you. So, do some Googling. By, the way, this sort of flame inviting post that you made is often seen as a post from a troll just trying to get an argument going. But, I have answered as if you meanth it seriously. So don't try and get a flame war going. Instead, do some studying and get some experience by trying it out. jerry -- Best regards, Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do you prefer FreeBSD???? Maybe Windows is more comfortable
The full answer is way easier - business with it and NO BEEPER BEEPIN at 2AM! (and on less powerful hardware even! ) On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Jerry McAllister wrote: Hi All!!! I think that WinXP more popular and more easy than FreeBSD. People all over the world know what is Windows but don't know what is FreeBSD. More programs is written work on Windows Windows more comfortable in work with graph... If windows more popular and more program work on windows why do you use FreeBSD? The popularity of MS-win is due to marketing and market manipulation first by IBM/Microsoft, then by Microsoft/IBM and now by Microsoft. Despite what some MS advocates say, it has little to do with the quality of the system I am beginner and I don't understand why a lot of people say that FreeBSD it's cool. Why? FreeBSD is superior for serious computing work and as a server system. What do you prefer FreeBSD or Windows??? Generally FreeBSD for almost everything, but I am stuck with MS for some things and so I use it too, but with ever present fear of getting trashed by the latest defect. This mailing list is dedicated to FreeBSD. I know that users of FreeBSD more than users of Windows Please try understand me correctly. Thanks for any answer! There are dozens, probably hundreds, of postings and articles writen on this subject. Try Google or some other search engine and you will be inundated with commentary - some of it even fairly thoughtful and useful amidst the emotional diatribes. If you REALLY want to know the value of FreeBSD, install it and use it for some serious computer work such as running a network server or doing significant databases or numerical proessing. You need to use it long enough to become truely familiar and to get past your MS habits. Then it will begin to dawn on you. So, do some Googling. By, the way, this sort of flame inviting post that you made is often seen as a post from a troll just trying to get an argument going. But, I have answered as if you meanth it seriously. So don't try and get a flame war going. Instead, do some studying and get some experience by trying it out. jerry -- Best regards, Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do you prefer FreeBSD???? Maybe Windows is more comfortable than FBSD?
Quoting Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi All!!! I think that WinXP more popular and more easy than FreeBSD. People all over the world know what is Windows but don't know what is FreeBSD. More programs is written work on Windows Windows more comfortable in work with graph... If windows more popular and more program work on windows why do you use FreeBSD? 1) it's free 2) it's very stable 3) I get source code for the whole OS and almost everything installed 4) it's a very unix-ish os, with a long history. 5) it's fast 6) it's more flexible than windows. 7) I refuse to use a product that has so many holes in it and so many worms and viruses for it. 8) netcraft has it as one of the OS's with the highest uptimes. (see number 2) 9) for almost anything a windows machine has commercial software for, I can find free software that does the job the same or better (usually better for server uses like web,email,dns, and similar or the same for desktop apps). 10) I don't like using a gui for every little piece of configuration. 11) I could keep going to reason # 1000 and I still wouldn't be done. I am beginner and I don't understand why a lot of people say that FreeBSD it's cool. Why? What do you prefer FreeBSD or Windows??? This mailing list is dedicated to FreeBSD. I know that users of FreeBSD more than users of Windows Please try understand me correctly. Thanks for any answer! -- Best regards, Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do you prefer FreeBSD???? Maybe Windows is more comfortable than FBSD?
On Wednesday 24 September 2003 02:05 pm, Denis wrote: Hi All!!! I think that WinXP more popular and more easy than FreeBSD. People all over the world know what is Windows but don't know what is FreeBSD. More programs is written work on Windows Windows more comfortable in work with graph... If windows more popular and more program work on windows why do you use FreeBSD? I am beginner and I don't understand why a lot of people say that FreeBSD it's cool. Why? What do you prefer FreeBSD or Windows??? This mailing list is dedicated to FreeBSD. I know that users of FreeBSD more than users of Windows Please try understand me correctly. Thanks for any answer! Denis, Do not value popular or easy too much. Humans have a long standing history of choosing immediate gratification over more difficult options that would be in their best interest. A fitting example for this month would be the use of Microsoft Outlook, with continues to facilitate the spread of computer worms and viruses. The world has known this for some time; and yet, it is still very popular. When people justify using Windows, you will note that market share and ease of use are usually listed first. When people justify the use of FreeBSD, they tend to focus on the operating system's strengths -- not the users' weaknesses. It's a different frame of mind. We're not an exclusive bunch; but we expect you to respect your own intelligence. (To other list members: Is that a fair statement?) Andrew ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do you prefer FreeBSD???? Maybe Windows is more comfortable than FBSD?
I think that WinXP more popular and more easy than FreeBSD. You need to define easy. From a GUI perspective, Yes many people will find Windows XP easy. This is often attributable to the fact that many of these people have been using Windows since atleast the Windows95 days. For these people the GUI is familiar and they are comfortable with it. For them this means it is easy. From a maintenance and configuration perspective if find FreeBSD to be easy. If windows more popular and more program work on windows why do you use FreeBSD? Because Windows does not fit my needs in all situations. Say, for example, I need to run a DNS server. FreeBSD fits this need very well at a highly competative price. I am beginner and I don't understand why a lot of people say that FreeBSD it's cool. Why? Again. Cool needs to be defined. I find FreeBSD to be Cool because it fits my (work-related) needs and I find it to be easy to maintain. I find Windows to be Cool at home when I can run that new whizbang 3D shoot-em-up game. What do you prefer FreeBSD or Windows??? This depends on the need (the problem) that you are using an Operating System to solve. I use FreeBSD for my core network services at the office. At home on the other hand I have a Windows XP box so that I can run the games I like to play. - Mike ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do you prefer FreeBSD???? Maybe Windows is more comfortable than FBSD?
Denis wrote: Hi All!!! I think that WinXP more popular and more easy than FreeBSD. People all over the world know what is Windows but don't know what is FreeBSD. More programs is written work on Windows Windows more comfortable in work with graph... If windows more popular and more program work on windows why do you use FreeBSD? I am beginner and I don't understand why a lot of people say that FreeBSD it's cool. Why? What do you prefer FreeBSD or Windows??? This mailing list is dedicated to FreeBSD. I know that users of FreeBSD more than users of Windows Please try understand me correctly. Thanks for any answer! Hi, Denis, English is more popular and easier than Russian. People around the world know English, but don't know Russian. English is more comfortable to work with vowel sounds. What do you speak? (Now, I'm kidding! Please don't take offense, and excuse my poor language skills, also!) The following is a generalization that is not intended to offend FreeBSD users, but to enlighten the OP. Hello again, Denis... You are speaking like a *normal* person --- a person who wants to be comfortable. We aren't that type :-) We run FreeBSD because we are uber-geeks, under-geeks, geeks, geek-wannabes, and geeks-in-training. We are the epitome of J. Random Hacker (and he is us!), and that term has nothing to do with distributed DOS attacks against yahoo.com, or obtaining credit card numbers from badly coded e-commerce websites. If you want to know the kind of people we *might* be, check this document: http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/appendixb.html We run FreeBSD because we are passionate about computers and the code that runs on them. We prefer to work at something as long as necessary to get it *right*, and then do something else that we are passionate about. As someone said, No 2 AM phone calls... FreeBSD works, and works better than many operating systems. We are tired of email-borne viruses, system lock-ups and the BSOD. We don't like to pay a day's salary (or a week's) for an operating system. We don't like the way that some people make their business decisions, and so we don't use their products unless there's a good reason. Sometimes there is, but often there is not. We *think* about our computing needs and choose appropriate tools, and generally FreeBSD is appropriate for what we desire. We believe that intellectual property should benefit as much of mankind as cares to grasp it, and that other people like us will think so, too. Not that we want to give away all rights, but there's little point in people continually reinventing the wheel all over the world (hmm, ever noticed how many wheels coming from Washington, USA aren't quite round?) I have clients all over the local area who go to work and deal with a computer the best way they know how, and when it gets too hard for them to deal with, they call me. Computer use wasn't something they chose ... not really. They did it because everyone else was doing it. They don't care *how* it does it, they just wanna get it done and go home. And they don't wanna spend time *learning* how to do things, they just want to look at something and figure it out. So, they use another OS. Me, I don't care how long it takes or what I have to learn --- I like learning, and I don't intend to quit. So, at the end of the day, who's better off? I've never lost a document because my FBSD box crashed while I was editing it. My FreeBSD boxes filter, accept, and deliver their email. My boxes help theirs find sites on the internet, keep their clocks set to UTC, host their websites, and firewall their LANs. My boxes have uptimes of *months*. Tried that with Windows, under frequent, normal use? I'm just different than *most* people. Maybe that explains it ;-) Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
