Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-05-15 Thread paranormal 
Finally, I have done it.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/de-tube

On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 19:08 -0400, Quartz wrote:
> > I can work around this by downloading the files with clive and watching
> > with mplayer, but I'd like to make this work again.
> 
> To be honest, this is really the best solution for all platforms, 
> win/mac/bsd/etc. I don't have flash installed on any of my machines: I 
> use a plugin that downloads the mp4 and auto opens it in a local video 
> player. This always works, you can jump/rewind without constant 
> buffering, you don't have to deal with ads, and you don't have to deal 
> with flash maxing out your cpu for no reason.
> 
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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-29 Thread paranormal 
I had written an extension, it replaces the original youtube player.
Now it's beta version (at least it has a name...), there is no setup, no
preferences, it just replaces youtube player to Here the best
quality.


Code (don't even try to use master branch):
https://github.com/paranormal/detube/tree/working

Zip:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/de-tube/

You are free to install this addon and blame me.

There another addon (written by Sukant Garg):
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/save-my-youtube-day


On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:39 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> hello, world\n
> 
> I have trouble playing Youtube videos in flash format in Firefox. This
> has worked in the past, but for a few weeks now, the flash videos
> display as a b/w noise background picture with a message centered "To
> render this video you need the Adobe Flash Player. Install latest Flash
> Player". Has Youtube conspired against me, you, FreeBSD, the world? :-)
> 
> I'm wondering if I have screwed up something. I'm running 9.1-STABLE as
> of a few days ago, with up-to-date ports of emulators/linux_base-f10,
> www/linux-f10-flashplugin11 and www/nspluginwrapper ports on FF20.0.
> about:plugins says this:
> 
> Shockwave Flash
> 
> File: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
> Version: Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202
> 
> MIME TypeDescription Suffixes
> application/x-shockwave-flash   Shockwave Flash swf
> application/futuresplashFutureSplash Player spl
> 
> 
> Since I haven't heard the FreeBSD community screaming "Gimme back
> my Youtube!!!1!", I'll bite. What could the problem be? Is anyone
> else but me able to play flash, like for example "The true science
> of multiple universes" in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg ?
> 
> Other types play just fine, like "Pt1gard's 10-Question Apollo Test"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ
> 
> I can work around this by downloading the files with clive and watching
> with mplayer, but I'd like to make this work again.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>   Jens



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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-09 Thread Bernt Hansson 

2013-04-09 12:22, Polytropon skrev:

On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:15:35 +0200, Harald Weis wrote:

I've also seen that the '-h' option did tell a lot of things, except the
the reqirement to quote the URL...


This is something you'll find in "man csh" or "man bash". :-)




Now I get the following:

me@pollux:~ % youtube-dl -v "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuubjIrYkc";
[debug] Proxy map: {}
[youtube] Setting language
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Extracting video information

ERROR: unable to download video
me@pollux:~ %


You should see something like this instead:

% youtube-dl "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuubjIrYkc";
[youtube] Setting language
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Extracting video information
[download] Destination: 6xuubjIrYkc.flv
[download]   1.9% of 482.49M at  180.22k/s ETA 44:49
...
and so on.


Or something like this.

% youtube-dl -t 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuubjIrYkc'
[youtube] Setting language
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Extracting video information
[download] Destination: Pat Metheny - Secret Story-6xuubjIrYkc.flv
[download]   0.9% of 482.49M at  457.60k/s ETA 17:50





Unable(!) to see the reason.


What version are you running?

I have youtube_dl-2012.09.27 here, not the most recent one.
Sometimes there is a problem when your version has been
obsoleted by something YouTube did change.



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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-09 Thread Harald Weis 
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 12:22:02PM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
 > On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:15:35 +0200, Harald Weis wrote:
 > > I've also seen that the '-h' option did tell a lot of things, except the
 > > the requirement to quote the URL...
 > 
 > This is something you'll find in "man csh" or "man bash". :-)
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > > Now I get the following:
 > > 
 > > me@pollux:~ % youtube-dl -v "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuubjIrYkc";
 > > [debug] Proxy map: {}
 > > [youtube] Setting language
 > > [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video webpage
 > > [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video info webpage
 > > [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Extracting video information
 > > 
 > > ERROR: unable to download video
 > > me@pollux:~ % 
 > 
 > You should see something like this instead:
 > 
 > % youtube-dl "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuubjIrYkc";
 > [youtube] Setting language
 > [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video webpage
 > [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video info webpage
 > [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Extracting video information
 > [download] Destination: 6xuubjIrYkc.flv
 > [download]   1.9% of 482.49M at  180.22k/s ETA 44:49
 > ...
 > and so on.
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > > Unable(!) to see the reason.
 > 
 > What version are you running?
 > 
 > I have youtube_dl-2012.09.27 here, not the most recent one.
 > Sometimes there is a problem when your version has been
 > obsoleted by something YouTube did change.

Great. That was it!

===>  Installing for youtube_dl-2013.02.02
===>   Generating temporary packing list
===>   Compressing manual pages for youtube_dl-2013.02.02
===>   Registering installation for youtube_dl-2013.02.02
Installing youtube_dl-2013.02.02... done

===>>> Upgrade of youtube_dl-2012.02.27 to youtube_dl-2013.02.02 complete

There is even a manpage now.

Thank you very much indeed, Polytropon.
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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-09 Thread Polytropon 
On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:15:35 +0200, Harald Weis wrote:
> I've also seen that the '-h' option did tell a lot of things, except the
> the reqirement to quote the URL...

This is something you'll find in "man csh" or "man bash". :-)



> Now I get the following:
> 
> me@pollux:~ % youtube-dl -v "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuubjIrYkc";
> [debug] Proxy map: {}
> [youtube] Setting language
> [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video webpage
> [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video info webpage
> [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Extracting video information
> 
> ERROR: unable to download video
> me@pollux:~ % 

You should see something like this instead:

% youtube-dl "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuubjIrYkc";
[youtube] Setting language
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Extracting video information
[download] Destination: 6xuubjIrYkc.flv
[download]   1.9% of 482.49M at  180.22k/s ETA 44:49
...
and so on.



> Unable(!) to see the reason.

What version are you running?

I have youtube_dl-2012.09.27 here, not the most recent one.
Sometimes there is a problem when your version has been
obsoleted by something YouTube did change.


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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-09 Thread Harald Weis 
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 03:58:30AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
 > On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:03:13 +0200, Harald Weis wrote:
 > > On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:09:32AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
 > >  
 > >  > If it's just about YouTube video, why not use youtube-dl and
 > >  > mplayer? I haven't tested it for those particular two videos,
 > >  > but it tends to work for everything. :-)
  
Many thanks to all of you, on-list and off-list.

I've installed youtube-dl a long time ago, the very moment when I first read
about it on this list.

I've also seen that the '-h' option did tell a lot of things, except the
the reqirement to quote the URL...

Now I get the following:

me@pollux:~ % youtube-dl -v "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuubjIrYkc";
[debug] Proxy map: {}
[youtube] Setting language
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Extracting video information

ERROR: unable to download video
me@pollux:~ % 

Unable(!) to see the reason.

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-08 Thread Gary Kline 
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 03:38:16AM +, Walter Hurry wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:28:15 -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> 
> > Please excuse the top post
> 
> Why?
> 


because most or all email is presented in "oldest posts first."
it is more work to decode.  [[ esp'ly if you're   o lder than dirt,
like me! ]]

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-08 Thread Walter Hurry 
On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:28:15 -0700, Gary Kline wrote:

> Please excuse the top post

Why?

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-08 Thread Gary Kline 


Please excuse the top post, bujt you're the right guy to ask,
polyt.  mp3/audio files I can get.  you sent me a website to get
mp3's off youtube.  it is probably patry my ubuntu linux and gnome,
but is there a "canned" website that will grab a video?  somebody
has a Lot of westerns and I'd like to grab a couple.  

we can get 70 billion channels with barf comcast, but I dont see
any of these old/old/old movies.  [ several zillion tx. ]  

gary

ps:  yeah, I KNOW they are ===mostly=== mythic.  but sometimes I
just need to take a bleeping break.  and so far, nothingg  works.


On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 03:58:30AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:03:13 +0200, Harald Weis wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:09:32AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> >  
> >  > If it's just about YouTube video, why not use youtube-dl and
> >  > mplayer? I haven't tested it for those particular two videos,
> >  > but it tends to work for everything. :-)
> >  
> > Can you please help me how to find the right URLs for youtube-dl ?
> 
> There is no URL. You install it from ports:
> 
>   # cd /usr/ports/www/youtube_dl
>   # make install
> 
> If the version in ports is not current enough (e. g. when YT
> has again fiddled with the format), you can usually get it
> from its source https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl.
> 
> 
> 
> > For example on
> > http://www.youtube.com/user/ConcertosLive/videos
> > 
> > When I copy URLs with mouse in opera I always get
> > "youtube-dl: No match."
> 
> Make sure you use proper quoting as the URL contains
> characters that the shell will interpret. The common form
> to use youtube-dl is e. g.
> 
>   % youtube-dl "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc4ROCJYbm0";
> 
> Any superflous stuff in the URL will be ignored. This is
> the easiest way to work, e. g. from copying the URL from
> the URL line or via the "Copy link address" function; then
> just type 'youtube-dl "', press the middle mouse key, '"'
> and Enter.
> 
> As youtube-dl doesn't have a manpage, you can use
> 
>   % youtube-dl -h
> 
> to get a list of supported command line options.
> 
> 
> 
> > (opera and flash work fine for playing and also for downloading the
> > the ogg file)
> 
> That's normal. :-)
> 
> 
> 
> > I definitely prefer the command line tool.
> 
> What I like about this approach is that I can watch films
> in a usable (!) environment, which is mplayer, and not be
> dependent on some low-quality web player plugin. It's also
> nice to have interesting videos stored on the local disk
> so they can be watched without Internet connection. :-)
> 
> 
> 
> > Getting rid of flash would be a tremendous relief.
> 
> It will happen, as soon as HTML5 is adopted more widely
> (currently happening especially for "rich web content"
> and the mobile market) and lawyers agree on a usable
> media codec.
> 
> But for now, I don't actually see any problems running
> "Flash" if it is _intended_ to do so.
> 
> 
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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-08 Thread Polytropon 
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:03:13 +0200, Harald Weis wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:09:32AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
>  
>  > If it's just about YouTube video, why not use youtube-dl and
>  > mplayer? I haven't tested it for those particular two videos,
>  > but it tends to work for everything. :-)
>  
> Can you please help me how to find the right URLs for youtube-dl ?

There is no URL. You install it from ports:

# cd /usr/ports/www/youtube_dl
# make install

If the version in ports is not current enough (e. g. when YT
has again fiddled with the format), you can usually get it
from its source https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl.



> For example on
> http://www.youtube.com/user/ConcertosLive/videos
> 
> When I copy URLs with mouse in opera I always get
> "youtube-dl: No match."

Make sure you use proper quoting as the URL contains
characters that the shell will interpret. The common form
to use youtube-dl is e. g.

% youtube-dl "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc4ROCJYbm0";

Any superflous stuff in the URL will be ignored. This is
the easiest way to work, e. g. from copying the URL from
the URL line or via the "Copy link address" function; then
just type 'youtube-dl "', press the middle mouse key, '"'
and Enter.

As youtube-dl doesn't have a manpage, you can use

% youtube-dl -h

to get a list of supported command line options.



> (opera and flash work fine for playing and also for downloading the
> the ogg file)

That's normal. :-)



> I definitely prefer the command line tool.

What I like about this approach is that I can watch films
in a usable (!) environment, which is mplayer, and not be
dependent on some low-quality web player plugin. It's also
nice to have interesting videos stored on the local disk
so they can be watched without Internet connection. :-)



> Getting rid of flash would be a tremendous relief.

It will happen, as soon as HTML5 is adopted more widely
(currently happening especially for "rich web content"
and the mobile market) and lawyers agree on a usable
media codec.

But for now, I don't actually see any problems running
"Flash" if it is _intended_ to do so.


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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-08 Thread [email protected] 
On 8 April 2013 11:03, Harald Weis  wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:09:32AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
>
>  > If it's just about YouTube video, why not use youtube-dl and
>  > mplayer? I haven't tested it for those particular two videos,
>  > but it tends to work for everything. :-)
>
> Can you please help me how to find the right URLs for youtube-dl ?
>
> For example on
> http://www.youtube.com/user/ConcertosLive/videos
>
> When I copy URLs with mouse in opera I always get
> "youtube-dl: No match."
>
> (opera and flash work fine for playing and also for downloading the
> the ogg file)
>
> I definitely prefer the command line tool.
> Getting rid of flash would be a tremendous relief.
>
>
youtube_dl works fine with just the video id, as in:
% youtube_dl -c --restrict-filenames -o '%(title)s.%(id)s.%(ext)s'
"De6ejDbIcOM"
to download http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De6ejDbIcOM
(though the full url works, as well)

You may want to set --max-quality 45 (or 46)* to avoid downloading a
½GB 3072p video (as with some of the HD stuff) since youtube_dl
defaults to the highest quality available.

*quo vide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-08 Thread Lowell Gilbert 
Harald Weis  writes:

> On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:09:32AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
>  
>  > If it's just about YouTube video, why not use youtube-dl and
>  > mplayer? I haven't tested it for those particular two videos,
>  > but it tends to work for everything. :-)
>  
> Can you please help me how to find the right URLs for youtube-dl ?
>
> For example on
> http://www.youtube.com/user/ConcertosLive/videos
>
> When I copy URLs with mouse in opera I always get
> "youtube-dl: No match."
>
> (opera and flash work fine for playing and also for downloading the
> the ogg file)
>
> I definitely prefer the command line tool.
> Getting rid of flash would be a tremendous relief.

Right-click on one of the video icons, select "copy link address" and
the cut buffer will contain the URL. Depending on your shell you may
need to protect some of the characters from being interpreted.
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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-08 Thread Harald Weis 
On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:09:32AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
 
 > If it's just about YouTube video, why not use youtube-dl and
 > mplayer? I haven't tested it for those particular two videos,
 > but it tends to work for everything. :-)
 
Can you please help me how to find the right URLs for youtube-dl ?

For example on
http://www.youtube.com/user/ConcertosLive/videos

When I copy URLs with mouse in opera I always get
"youtube-dl: No match."

(opera and flash work fine for playing and also for downloading the
the ogg file)

I definitely prefer the command line tool.
Getting rid of flash would be a tremendous relief.

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-07 Thread Polytropon 
On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 13:05:19 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> If users would stop visiting bad programmed sites, we would get better
> programmed websites, so IMO we shouldn't fix the issues others cause,
> it's their task to fix their websites.

There's hope in browsers implementing the "Flash"-like
functionalities using HTML5, which has become important
due to the growing markets in tablets and smartphones
(the "mobile web" where "Flash" doesn't play a significant
role). One of the problems is media codecs (where lawyers
fight), another one is the availability of design and
development environments for "non-technical" users who
normally use pirated copies of some "Adobe" programs
to create "Flash" content for (or instead of) HTML-based
web pages. Those who actually _pay_ for their tools often
tend to deliver a much better user experience even by
using "Flash". As I said, it's just a tool, but a tool
by itself doesn't get the work done, you need to properly
use it. "Flash" is already on its way into the coffin,
it will be much more profitable (and essential to stay
in business) to publish content in a more portable way.
In my opinion, HTML5 is the way to go, as soon as they
got the mentioned main problems out of the way.



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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-07 Thread Polytropon 
On Sun, 7 Apr 2013 07:44:30 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> This site:
>  plays fine on Windows using either IE or Firefox. It also works on
> Ubuntu. However, it bombs out with FreeBSD and Firefox. I haven't had
> an opportunity to try it on a Linux system yet..

Strange. Very strange. What am I doing wrong for all the years?
Even though this page is slow as (insert slow stuff) on loading
and polluted with ads, it plays totally fine with Opera, installed
in summer 2011. This is since almost 3 years ago.



> Using Flash is way
> harder than it needs to be on FreeBSD.

You are right about this. It should be a selectable (switchable)
function of the browser. Do you have a proprietary plugin to have
text in blue color? One to display PNG images? Another one to
render text centered? No?

If "Flash" is used instead of HTML, or as an excuse for not
being able or willing to use HTML properly, and if lawyers keep
fighting their patent war on codecs, then "Flash" is not the
problem per se - it's the way it is (ab)used.

Imagine you could treat it as a first class browser functionality.
Like displaying images or rendering text. You want to use it?
It's already part of the browser, properly maintained to work
with the browser, indepdent of lower-level system components.
You do _not_ want to see any "Flash" stuff? One click to disable
it. That would be the ideal solution, as it is possible with
_everything else_ except "Flash".



> You hear FreeBSD users who claim
> that they never use Flash, which in itself is an interesting statement.

No, it's not that interesting. For example, I have kept two
browsers in the past: Firefox with no "Flash", and Opera with
"Flash". So whenever a non-"Flash" experience was desired,
I just switched the browser, and no "Flash" has been used.

Also, for specific things, using programs to download video
and then watch it locally with mplayer (much more comfortable
than all those web players) has been possible for many years.



> If it doesn't work, then obviously you cannot take advantage of it. I
> suspect at least 50% of them are liars. The rest are more than likely
> expressing their "sour-grapes" wrath.

That's quite possible.



> The real goal should be to get it working and working correctly and as
> easily as other Operating Systems have.

I actually don't know where the problem is: It _is_ working
correctly and easily as on other operating systems and even
in comparison to "Windows".



> The world is not going to adapt
> to your specifications, you have to adapt to its or else fall by the
> wayside.

And those who _always_ go with the flow will never reach
the source. ;-)

To educated people, "Flash" is just a tool, and they can
answer the question what it is good for, and what it is
not the tool for, and additionally how to properly use it.
Considering that "Flash" has had 4 hits among the top 10
of security threats, like "Gain access to a system and
execute arbitrary code with local user privileges. Gain
access to sensitive data. Highly Critical." and "Gain
access to a system and execute arbitrary code with local
user privileges. Bypass security systems. Gain access to
sensitive data. Extremely Critical.", there might be a
reason not to use it - it depends. It _always_ depends.



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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 07:44 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> You hear FreeBSD users who claim
> that they never use Flash, which in itself is an interesting
> statement.
> If it doesn't work, then obviously you cannot take advantage of it. I
> suspect at least 50% of them are liars. The rest are more than likely
> expressing their "sour-grapes" wrath.

No, I guess at least for media players you're mistaken. I was born in
1966 and a lot of people from my generation still own a television set,
turntables etc..

Not seldom I watch several hours television at one day. I guess after
watching 4 hours television, it's not hard to spare flash on the
computer ;).

Yes, you can miss interesting stuff without flash, but you also will
miss interesting things, if you watch too much videos.

In the past I used flash, I tested gnash first, but I preferred the
proprietary thingy. It started as an experiment when I installed Arch
Linux some weeks ago and I noticed that I can live without flash.

However, I only need to run one command to get flash and on Linux AFAIK
it doesn't cause issues until now.

$ yaourt flashplayer
1 extra/flashplugin 11.2.202.275-1
Adobe Flash Player
2 aur/bin32-flashplayer-standalone 11.2.202.275-1 (5)
Macromedia standalone flash player (nonfree)
3 aur/flashplayer-standalone 11.2.202.275-1 (134)
Macromedia standalone flash player (nonfree)
4 aur/flashplayer-standalone-debug 11.2.202.275-1 (7)
Standalone, debug version of Adobe Flash Player
5 aur/gnash-git 20120122-1 (Out of Date) (3)
An open source flashplayer - git version
==> Enter n° of packages to be installed (ex: 1 2 3 or 1-3)
==> ---
==> ^C

I even don't know if I have flash on FreeBSD installed, since I more
often use Linux.

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-07 Thread Jerry 
On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 13:05:19 +0200
Ralf Mardorf articulated:

> On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 06:21 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> > On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:57:47 +0200
> > Ralf Mardorf articulated:
> > 
> > > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:39 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg
> > > > 
> > > > Firefox 20.0 Arch Linux x86_64 can't play this video too.
> > > > Neither flash, nor gnash installed. Perhaps it's a video with a
> > > > commercial, before the video can be watched? Wicked!
> > > > 
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ
> > > > 
> > > > Video and audio are ok for this video, still without flash or
> > > > gnash.
> > > 
> > > Perhaps we should switch to Windows :D. SICR
> > 
> > I have pretty much given up on using Firefox with FreeBSD on sites
> > that utilize Flash. It usually just sucks. Sites like "comedy
> > Central" are just not view-able utilizing that combination. I use
> > my Windows PC or Laptop for those times. Plus, I can keep Flash and
> > or Java "up-to-date" far easier.
> 
> I never needed to use Windows, I could switch from the Atari ST to
> *nix around ten years ago, but since around 1½ years I need to run
> Windows in VBox. I planed to start making music on Friday, now it's
> Sunday noon and I still couldn't start, because I still need to fix
> issues. However, I experienced less issues with *nix software,
> usually I run into issues regarding to hardware. Fortunately I don't
> care about the flash issue, if tube videos don't work, I don't watch
> tube videos and if flash should be needed for something else on a
> homepage, it for sure isn't a homepage I want to visit. Usually web
> pages for *nix are programmed like http://www.freebsd.org/
> and very seldom like
> http://linux-audio.com/
> but even this site doesn't expect flash. Serious homepages, e.g. from
> departments, usually are good programmed and commercial homepages,
> e.g. from the porn industry, are usually bad programmed.
> 
> If users would stop visiting bad programmed sites, we would get better
> programmed websites, so IMO we shouldn't fix the issues others cause,
> it's their task to fix their websites.

This site:

Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 06:21 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:57:47 +0200
> Ralf Mardorf articulated:
> 
> > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:39 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg
> > > 
> > > Firefox 20.0 Arch Linux x86_64 can't play this video too. Neither
> > > flash, nor gnash installed. Perhaps it's a video with a commercial,
> > > before the video can be watched? Wicked!
> > > 
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ
> > > 
> > > Video and audio are ok for this video, still without flash or gnash.
> > 
> > Perhaps we should switch to Windows :D. SICR
> 
> I have pretty much given up on using Firefox with FreeBSD on sites that
> utilize Flash. It usually just sucks. Sites like "comedy Central" are
> just not view-able utilizing that combination. I use my Windows PC or
> Laptop for those times. Plus, I can keep Flash and or Java "up-to-date"
> far easier.

I never needed to use Windows, I could switch from the Atari ST to *nix
around ten years ago, but since around 1½ years I need to run Windows in
VBox. I planed to start making music on Friday, now it's Sunday noon and
I still couldn't start, because I still need to fix issues. However, I
experienced less issues with *nix software, usually I run into issues
regarding to hardware. Fortunately I don't care about the flash issue,
if tube videos don't work, I don't watch tube videos and if flash should
be needed for something else on a homepage, it for sure isn't a homepage
I want to visit. Usually web pages for *nix are programmed like
http://www.freebsd.org/
and very seldom like
http://linux-audio.com/
but even this site doesn't expect flash. Serious homepages, e.g. from
departments, usually are good programmed and commercial homepages, e.g.
from the porn industry, are usually bad programmed.

If users would stop visiting bad programmed sites, we would get better
programmed websites, so IMO we shouldn't fix the issues others cause,
it's their task to fix their websites.

2 Cents,
Ralf

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-07 Thread C. P. Ghost 
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Jerry  wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:57:47 +0200
> Ralf Mardorf articulated:
>
> > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:39 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg
> > >
> > > Firefox 20.0 Arch Linux x86_64 can't play this video too. Neither
> > > flash, nor gnash installed. Perhaps it's a video with a commercial,
> > > before the video can be watched? Wicked!
> > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ
> > >
> > > Video and audio are ok for this video, still without flash or gnash.
> >
> > Perhaps we should switch to Windows :D. SICR
>
> I have pretty much given up on using Firefox with FreeBSD on sites that
> utilize Flash. It usually just sucks. Sites like "comedy Central" are
> just not view-able utilizing that combination. I use my Windows PC or
> Laptop for those times. Plus, I can keep Flash and or Java "up-to-date"
> far easier.
>

Nearly the same here: I'm keeping two virtual machines on my FreeBSD
laptop: a Windows 7 and a Linux one, and I'm starting the Win7 VM when
I stumble across that oddball Flash-only website that would not even display
on the Linux VM. This way, I'm keeping a clean and lean FreeBSD environment,
unpolluted by tons of Linuxulator compat libraries needed just to make
that flash plugin work.

Plus, it's easier to reset the Win7 VM to a previous virus-free stage after
each use... even though something like this
  http://www.qubes-os.org/trac
would be even better, I assume. ;)

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>
>
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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-07 Thread Jerry 
On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:57:47 +0200
Ralf Mardorf articulated:

> On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:39 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg
> > 
> > Firefox 20.0 Arch Linux x86_64 can't play this video too. Neither
> > flash, nor gnash installed. Perhaps it's a video with a commercial,
> > before the video can be watched? Wicked!
> > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ
> > 
> > Video and audio are ok for this video, still without flash or gnash.
> 
> Perhaps we should switch to Windows :D. SICR

I have pretty much given up on using Firefox with FreeBSD on sites that
utilize Flash. It usually just sucks. Sites like "comedy Central" are
just not view-able utilizing that combination. I use my Windows PC or
Laptop for those times. Plus, I can keep Flash and or Java "up-to-date"
far easier.

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-06 Thread Polytropon 
On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 15:23:49 -1000, Parv wrote:
> I have tried some extensions -- e.g. "Flash and Video
> Download", "Download Helper" -- that require a bit of video to be
> played initially before it can be downloaded (outside of YouTube;
> for YouTube videos, I prefer to use youtube_dl).

Yes, "Download Helper" is very prominent in combination
with Firefox. However, it requires interactivity within
the browser. In case that's not desired, youtube-dl can
help. For non-YT-videos, get-flash-videos (a per script)
works in many cases. The result FLV file can be played
comfortably with mplayer. I'm not sure in how far this
combination can be integrated with the web browser...

Again, it's worth noting that you should not touch a
running system. ;-)


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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-06 Thread Parv 
in message <[email protected]>,
wrote Quartz thusly...
>
>
> > I can work around this by downloading the files with clive and watching
> > with mplayer, but I'd like to make this work again.
>
> To be honest, this is really the best solution for all platforms,
> win/mac/bsd/etc. I don't have flash installed on any of my
> machines: I use a plugin that downloads the mp4 and auto opens it
> in a local video player.

Is the plugin that you speak of called "Download YouTube Videos as
MP4"?  I have tried some extensions -- e.g. "Flash and Video
Download", "Download Helper" -- that require a bit of video to be
played initially before it can be downloaded (outside of YouTube;
for YouTube videos, I prefer to use youtube_dl).


  - Parv

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-06 Thread Parv 
in message <[email protected]>,
wrote Polytropon thusly...
>
> On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 23:39:11 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
...
> > Is anyone else but me able to play flash, like for example "The
> > true science of multiple universes" in
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg ?
>
> The video has a "ad overlay" (can skip after a few seconds),
> video itself plays fine here. Note that I'm providing you
> this reference from the past: I'm using Opera with the Linux
> Flash plugin (installed as described in the handbook), and
> the versions are opera-11.50, opera-linuxplugins-11.50,
> and linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5, installed in summer 2011.

The video played fine in Firefox (firefox-17.0.3,1) & Shockwave Flash
(11.1 r102) plugin (there is also a "FutureSplash Player" plugin).
Initially there was a purple window with small circular ">" (play)
button but nothing was being displayed; audio of the original video
started playing by itself. Few seconds later, the purple window
disappeared.

Opera (opera-12.14), OTOH, reported that flash plugin
(opera-linuxplugins-12.14; linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.275)
crashed.


> > Other types play just fine, like "Pt1gard's 10-Question Apollo Test"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ
>
> Yes, plays fine.

No problem here either with either of the browsers.


  - parv

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-06 Thread Warren Block 

On Sat, 6 Apr 2013, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:


I have trouble playing Youtube videos in flash format in Firefox. This
has worked in the past, but for a few weeks now, the flash videos
display as a b/w noise background picture with a message centered "To
render this video you need the Adobe Flash Player. Install latest Flash
Player". Has Youtube conspired against me, you, FreeBSD, the world? :-)


We've had a thread about it in the forums, with a couple of workarounds:
http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=38627
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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-06 Thread Quartz 



I can work around this by downloading the files with clive and watching
with mplayer, but I'd like to make this work again.


To be honest, this is really the best solution for all platforms, 
win/mac/bsd/etc. I don't have flash installed on any of my machines: I 
use a plugin that downloads the mp4 and auto opens it in a local video 
player. This always works, you can jump/rewind without constant 
buffering, you don't have to deal with ads, and you don't have to deal 
with flash maxing out your cpu for no reason.


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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-06 Thread Polytropon 
On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 23:39:11 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> Since I haven't heard the FreeBSD community screaming "Gimme back
> my Youtube!!!1!", I'll bite. What could the problem be? Is anyone
> else but me able to play flash, like for example "The true science
> of multiple universes" in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg ?

The video has a "ad overlay" (can skip after a few seconds),
video itself plays fine here. Note that I'm providing you
this reference from the past: I'm using Opera with the Linux
Flash plugin (installed as described in the handbook), and
the versions are opera-11.50, opera-linuxplugins-11.50,
and linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5, installed in summer 2011.
So I haven't changed things, and it still works, because
the rule is: Never touch a running system. ;-)



> Other types play just fine, like "Pt1gard's 10-Question Apollo Test"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ

Yes, plays fine.



> I can work around this by downloading the files with clive and watching
> with mplayer, but I'd like to make this work again.

If it's just about YouTube video, why not use youtube-dl and
mplayer? I haven't tested it for those particular two videos,
but it tends to work for everything. :-)

I cannot provide a reference regarding Firefox (with "Flash"
installed as described in the Handbook) because it freezes
mny system (faulty GPU).




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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-06 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:39 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg
> 
> Firefox 20.0 Arch Linux x86_64 can't play this video too. Neither flash,
> nor gnash installed. Perhaps it's a video with a commercial, before the
> video can be watched? Wicked!
> 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ
> 
> Video and audio are ok for this video, still without flash or gnash.

Perhaps we should switch to Windows :D. SICR


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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

2013-04-06 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:39 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg

Firefox 20.0 Arch Linux x86_64 can't play this video too. Neither flash,
nor gnash installed. Perhaps it's a video with a commercial, before the
video can be watched? Wicked!

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ

Video and audio are ok for this video, still without flash or gnash.

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