Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Chris
Gert Cuykens wrote:
On Apr 1, 2005 11:54 PM, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 1, 2005 7:05 AM, Donald J. O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday 31 March 2005 07:26 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote:
It bugs me...
NO, leave things as they are. If you delete all the things that have
been bugging you, you'll have an in-operative system. then what are you
going to do?
 
See the thing is i like /bin. /sbin is a bit to much but i can live
with it, i prefer one bin instead of two but /stand is just crossing
the line here :) You put it in bin or in sbin but thats it :)
 
The same reason my shuffled my /root into /usr/root/ and got rit of
the /usr/home/user and put it in /usr/user.
Are you trying to make FreeBSD look or feel like Linux? If so - stick 
with Linux. Otherwise why are you tampering with it when you clearly 
have no idea what you are doing.

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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Gert Cuykens
On Apr 2, 2005 10:50 AM, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gert Cuykens wrote:
  On Apr 1, 2005 11:54 PM, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Apr 1, 2005 7:05 AM, Donald J. O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Thursday 31 March 2005 07:26 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote:
 
 It bugs me...
 
 NO, leave things as they are. If you delete all the things that have
 been bugging you, you'll have an in-operative system. then what are you
 going to do?
 
 
 
  See the thing is i like /bin. /sbin is a bit to much but i can live
  with it, i prefer one bin instead of two but /stand is just crossing
  the line here :) You put it in bin or in sbin but thats it :)
 
  The same reason my shuffled my /root into /usr/root/ and got rit of
  the /usr/home/user and put it in /usr/user.
 
 Are you trying to make FreeBSD look or feel like Linux? If so - stick
 with Linux. Otherwise why are you tampering with it when you clearly
 have no idea what you are doing.
 
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 Best regards,
 Chris
 
 When in doubt, mumble.
 When in trouble, delegate.
 When in charge, ponder.
 

I am not tampering with it i am modifying it :) You learn allot, just
close your eyes sroll trough the / directory and when you say stop
open your eyes again and try to move or delete the file. The
difference between a good and a bad os is the good one let you get
away with it by changing some stuff the bad os well just crashes :)
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Chris
Gert Cuykens wrote:
On Apr 2, 2005 10:50 AM, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gert Cuykens wrote:
On Apr 1, 2005 11:54 PM, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Apr 1, 2005 7:05 AM, Donald J. O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thursday 31 March 2005 07:26 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote:

It bugs me...
NO, leave things as they are. If you delete all the things that have
been bugging you, you'll have an in-operative system. then what are you
going to do?

See the thing is i like /bin. /sbin is a bit to much but i can live
with it, i prefer one bin instead of two but /stand is just crossing
the line here :) You put it in bin or in sbin but thats it :)
The same reason my shuffled my /root into /usr/root/ and got rit of
the /usr/home/user and put it in /usr/user.
Are you trying to make FreeBSD look or feel like Linux? If so - stick
with Linux. Otherwise why are you tampering with it when you clearly
have no idea what you are doing.
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I am not tampering with it i am modifying it :) You learn allot, just
close your eyes sroll trough the / directory and when you say stop
open your eyes again and try to move or delete the file. The
difference between a good and a bad os is the good one let you get
away with it by changing some stuff the bad os well just crashes :)

That is by far the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. Name me one OS 
that allows yoo to pull crap like that and not have issues.


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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Gert Cuykens
On Apr 2, 2005 7:06 PM, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gert Cuykens wrote:
  On Apr 2, 2005 10:50 AM, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Gert Cuykens wrote:
 
 On Apr 1, 2005 11:54 PM, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 On Apr 1, 2005 7:05 AM, Donald J. O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 On Thursday 31 March 2005 07:26 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote:
 
 
 It bugs me...
 
 NO, leave things as they are. If you delete all the things that have
 been bugging you, you'll have an in-operative system. then what are you
 going to do?
 
 
 
 See the thing is i like /bin. /sbin is a bit to much but i can live
 with it, i prefer one bin instead of two but /stand is just crossing
 the line here :) You put it in bin or in sbin but thats it :)
 
 The same reason my shuffled my /root into /usr/root/ and got rit of
 the /usr/home/user and put it in /usr/user.
 
 Are you trying to make FreeBSD look or feel like Linux? If so - stick
 with Linux. Otherwise why are you tampering with it when you clearly
 have no idea what you are doing.
 
 --
 Best regards,
 Chris
 
 When in doubt, mumble.
 When in trouble, delegate.
 When in charge, ponder.
 
 
 
  I am not tampering with it i am modifying it :) You learn allot, just
  close your eyes sroll trough the / directory and when you say stop
  open your eyes again and try to move or delete the file. The
  difference between a good and a bad os is the good one let you get
  away with it by changing some stuff the bad os well just crashes :)
 
 
 
 That is by far the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. Name me one OS
 that allows yoo to pull crap like that and not have issues.
 

Freebsd does so far :) i already moved the /root directory delete some
/.hidenfiles and just about to get rit of /stand if Erick tells me my
single user mode will still work , and it is only needed by
sysinstall.
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Danny Pansters
snip

   I am not tampering with it i am modifying it :) You learn allot, just
   close your eyes sroll trough the / directory and when you say stop
   open your eyes again and try to move or delete the file. The
   difference between a good and a bad os is the good one let you get
   away with it by changing some stuff the bad os well just crashes :)
 
  That is by far the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. Name me one OS
  that allows yoo to pull crap like that and not have issues.

 Freebsd does so far :) i already moved the /root directory delete some
 /.hidenfiles and just about to get rit of /stand if Erick tells me my
 single user mode will still work , and it is only needed by
 sysinstall.

I suggest /sbin now and at a later stage /boot. There's already a /bin, right, 
who needs an /sbin. Do keep /usr/doc and /usr/share/man for emergencies.

Dan
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Dick Hoogendijk
On 02 Apr Danny Pansters wrote:

 I suggest /sbin now and at a later stage /boot. There's already a
 /bin, right, who needs an /sbin. Do keep /usr/doc and /usr/share/man
 for emergencies.

LOL*

But I don't think our guy is gonna understand your humorous reply.
Personally I hardly can believe he is really /this/ dumb, but after
reading lots of his words, I'm not sure anymore. He's even worse than
Anthony (he knew some things). This guy knows nothing and pretents to be
willing to learn. I doubt that.

Has he read manuals? Has he read the handbook as suggested? Don't think
so. He's fooling around; he's fooling us.

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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Chris
Danny Pansters wrote:
snip
I am not tampering with it i am modifying it :) You learn allot, just
close your eyes sroll trough the / directory and when you say stop
open your eyes again and try to move or delete the file. The
difference between a good and a bad os is the good one let you get
away with it by changing some stuff the bad os well just crashes :)
That is by far the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. Name me one OS
that allows yoo to pull crap like that and not have issues.
Freebsd does so far :) i already moved the /root directory delete some
/.hidenfiles and just about to get rit of /stand if Erick tells me my
single user mode will still work , and it is only needed by
sysinstall.

I suggest /sbin now and at a later stage /boot. There's already a /bin, right, 
who needs an /sbin. Do keep /usr/doc and /usr/share/man for emergencies.

Dan
Are we to assume you are joking?
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Danny Pansters
On Saturday 02 April 2005 22:24, Chris wrote:
 Are we to assume you are joking?

Yes. 
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Chris
Danny Pansters wrote:
On Saturday 02 April 2005 22:24, Chris wrote:
Are we to assume you are joking?

Yes. 
I did like the idea of rm -r /boot
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Joshua Tinnin
On Saturday 02 April 2005 08:56, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 On Apr 2, 2005 10:50 AM, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Gert Cuykens wrote:
   On Apr 1, 2005 11:54 PM, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  On Apr 1, 2005 7:05 AM, Donald J. O'Neill 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Thursday 31 March 2005 07:26 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote:
  It bugs me...
  
  NO, leave things as they are. If you delete all the things that
   have been bugging you, you'll have an in-operative system. then
   what are you going to do?
  
   See the thing is i like /bin. /sbin is a bit to much but i can
   live with it, i prefer one bin instead of two but /stand is just
   crossing the line here :) You put it in bin or in sbin but thats
   it :)
  
   The same reason my shuffled my /root into /usr/root/ and got rit
   of the /usr/home/user and put it in /usr/user.
 
  Are you trying to make FreeBSD look or feel like Linux? If so -
  stick with Linux. Otherwise why are you tampering with it when you
  clearly have no idea what you are doing.
 
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  Best regards,
  Chris
 
  When in doubt, mumble.
  When in trouble, delegate.
  When in charge, ponder.

 I am not tampering with it i am modifying it :) You learn allot, just
 close your eyes sroll trough the / directory and when you say stop
 open your eyes again and try to move or delete the file. The
 difference between a good and a bad os is the good one let you get
 away with it by changing some stuff the bad os well just crashes :)

Gert, seriously, what on earth are you doing? I've seen you on this list 
for a while ... has someone broken into your mail account and is 
writing these messages, posing as you?

If not, I sort of understand your point, as in the general curiosity of 
hacking a system, but I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. 
There should at least be a goal or purpose to this, right?

- jt
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Erik Nørgaard
Gert Cuykens wrote:
You might want to check your init_path in loader.conf, in
/boot/defaults/loader.conf it is set to
  /sbin/init:/sbin/oinit:/sbin/init.bak:/stand/sysinstall
it would be sensible to replace /stand/sysinstall by /rescue/init
What happens if i leave /stand/sysinstall and put nothing in return ?
How will singel user look like ?
The same. /stand/sysinstall starts the installer, it's the last thing 
the loader will try if everything else fail, then it must be because you 
have no system and would like to install one - right? But then, you 
might as well use an install disc.

Asuming you have a working system there is really no use for /stand. All 
the files in /stand are hardlinks to the /stand/boot_crunch file.

Some people like sysinstall as a postconfiguration tool, and documen-
tation refers to this. But you can run it from /usr/sbin/sysinstall
On the other hand it surprises me that /rescue/init is not in the 
init_path, for system recovery it is far more usefull than sysinstall, 
it will give you a single user like system with a shell.

So, if you can't stand /stand - go ahead delete it - but don't sue me if 
you some day need it :-)

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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 23:13:11 +0200
Erik Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Some people like sysinstall as a postconfiguration tool, and documen-
 tation refers to this. But you can run it from /usr/sbin/sysinstall

I can't. Nor have I something like '/rescue/init'
So I assume you're taking me (us?) on?

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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Danny Pansters
On Saturday 02 April 2005 23:19, dick hoogendijk wrote:
 On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 23:13:11 +0200

 Erik Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Some people like sysinstall as a postconfiguration tool, and documen-
  tation refers to this. But you can run it from /usr/sbin/sysinstall

 I can't. Nor have I something like '/rescue/init'

-STABLE (5.X) does or should. What used to be /stand is now (sort of) /rescue.
If you have 4.X you'll still have /stand. If you updated through cvsup for a 
long time you might have both. In that case /stand is indeed a leftover. The 
sysinstall binary was moved to /usr/bin. /rescue is in principle independent 
of sysinstall. They're statically compiled binaries that can be used in case 
your (now dynamic, that is linked to libraries residing elsewhere, not with 
libraries built-in) root is broken or so. You could run, e.g. /rescue/ls. 
Everything in /rescue is the same statically built binary but they're not the 
same as the sysinstall binary. With 4.X this was so but not anymore with 5.X.

Hope that clarified,

Dan
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Erik Nørgaard
dick hoogendijk wrote:
Some people like sysinstall as a postconfiguration tool, and documen-
tation refers to this. But you can run it from /usr/sbin/sysinstall
I can't. Nor have I something like '/rescue/init'
So I assume you're taking me (us?) on?
I don't know which system you're on. Both are present on 5.3 and -CURRENT.
Now, it's some time ago I installed, it may be added later as I have 
rebuilt my world with updated sources.

Anyway, regarding /stand/sysinstall, you can safely delete it unless you 
use it for configuration/installation tasks.

Now, I just looked at the dates on my directories, it seems a new /stand 
was installed last time I installed world - so you'll have to get rid of 
it again and again :-)

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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Erik Nørgaard
Chris wrote:
I did like the idea of rm -r /boot
I hate that / in the beginning - can I get rid of it by 'rm -r /'?
Really, while I can sometimes find it intertaining to wonder and discuss 
the reasons for whatever wierdness people my prefer, and see the 
discussion to go off track. I think we should just answer the question 
and if you can't do that, let it go.

Some people want to order their socks according to colour, and if they 
are out of order their life is a missery. If this kind of person comes 
to me and ask if he can order his sock drawer according to colour, I'd 
say sure, your sock drawer will function perfectly with your socks 
ordered according to colour - as long as I can keep mine disordered 
according to your scheme.

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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Gert Cuykens
FX-53R rm -r /stand
FX-53R ls
bin cdrom   dev entropy lib mnt rescue  sys usr
bootcompat  distetc libexec procsbintmp var
FX-53R 

Doesnt this look much better :)

Next what do i have to do to remove /compat  /sys and /rescue ?
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Gert Cuykens
On Apr 3, 2005 2:42 AM, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 FX-53R rm -r /stand
 FX-53R ls
 bin cdrom   dev entropy lib mnt rescue  sys usr
 bootcompat  distetc libexec procsbintmp var
 FX-53R
 
 Doesnt this look much better :)
 
 Next what do i have to do to remove /compat  /sys and /rescue ?
 oh i forgot /cdrom
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Chris
Gert Cuykens wrote:
FX-53R rm -r /stand
FX-53R ls
bin cdrom   dev entropy lib mnt rescue  sys usr
bootcompat  distetc libexec procsbintmp var
FX-53R 

Doesnt this look much better :)
Next what do i have to do to remove /compat  /sys and /rescue ?

Dont forget rm -r /boot
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Gert Cuykens
On Apr 3, 2005 2:46 AM, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gert Cuykens wrote:
  FX-53R rm -r /stand
  FX-53R ls
  bin cdrom   dev entropy lib mnt rescue  sys usr
  bootcompat  distetc libexec procsbintmp var
  FX-53R
 
  Doesnt this look much better :)
 
  Next what do i have to do to remove /compat  /sys and /rescue ?
 
 
 
 Dont forget rm -r /boot
 

but i like /boot :) maybe i can rename it later to /freebsd but first
i want to get rit of /cdrom /compat /sys /rescue
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Gert Cuykens
On Apr 3, 2005 2:52 AM, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Apr 3, 2005 2:46 AM, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Gert Cuykens wrote:
   FX-53R rm -r /stand
   FX-53R ls
   bin cdrom   dev entropy lib mnt rescue  sys usr
   bootcompat  distetc libexec procsbintmp var
   FX-53R
  
   Doesnt this look much better :)
  
   Next what do i have to do to remove /compat  /sys and /rescue ?
  
  
 
  Dont forget rm -r /boot
 
 
 but i like /boot :) maybe i can rename it later to /freebsd but first
 i want to get rit of /cdrom /compat /sys /rescue
 

i changed the fstab for the cdrom to /mnt and the compat and dist was
empty so now my / looks like

FX-53R ls
bin dev etc libexec procsbintmp var
bootentropy lib mnt rescue  sys usr
FX-53R 

i need some advice on the /rescue and /sys doh ?
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Gert Cuykens
On Apr 3, 2005 3:02 AM, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Apr 3, 2005 2:52 AM, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Apr 3, 2005 2:46 AM, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Gert Cuykens wrote:
FX-53R rm -r /stand
FX-53R ls
bin cdrom   dev entropy lib mnt rescue  sys usr
bootcompat  distetc libexec procsbintmp var
FX-53R
   
Doesnt this look much better :)
   
Next what do i have to do to remove /compat  /sys and /rescue ?
   
   
  
   Dont forget rm -r /boot
  
 
  but i like /boot :) maybe i can rename it later to /freebsd but first
  i want to get rit of /cdrom /compat /sys /rescue
 
 
 i changed the fstab for the cdrom to /mnt and the compat and dist was
 empty so now my / looks like
 
 FX-53R ls
 bin dev etc libexec procsbintmp var
 bootentropy lib mnt rescue  sys usr
 FX-53R
 
 i need some advice on the /rescue and /sys doh ?
 

i also noticed /proc is empty but i read in the manual

/proc   Process file system; see procfs(5), mount_procfs(8).

better ask Eric i was thinking before removing
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-02 Thread Gert Cuykens
On Apr 3, 2005 3:09 AM, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Apr 3, 2005 3:02 AM, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Apr 3, 2005 2:52 AM, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Apr 3, 2005 2:46 AM, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gert Cuykens wrote:
 FX-53R rm -r /stand
 FX-53R ls
 bin cdrom   dev entropy lib mnt rescue  sys usr
 bootcompat  distetc libexec procsbintmp var
 FX-53R

 Doesnt this look much better :)

 Next what do i have to do to remove /compat  /sys and /rescue ?


   
Dont forget rm -r /boot
   
  
   but i like /boot :) maybe i can rename it later to /freebsd but first
   i want to get rit of /cdrom /compat /sys /rescue
  
 
  i changed the fstab for the cdrom to /mnt and the compat and dist was
  empty so now my / looks like
 
  FX-53R ls
  bin dev etc libexec procsbintmp var
  bootentropy lib mnt rescue  sys usr
  FX-53R
 
  i need some advice on the /rescue and /sys doh ?
 
 
 i also noticed /proc is empty but i read in the manual
 
 /proc   Process file system; see procfs(5), mount_procfs(8).
 
 better ask Eric i was thinking before removing


The folowing may be a tricky one how to move the /entropy to /boot/entropy
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-01 Thread Erik Nørgaard
Gert Cuykens wrote:
It bugs me...
yes you can. If you need to run sysinstall later it will be in 
/usr/sbin/sysinstall

You might want to check your init_path in loader.conf, in 
/boot/defaults/loader.conf it is set to

  /sbin/init:/sbin/oinit:/sbin/init.bak:/stand/sysinstall
it would be sensible to replace /stand/sysinstall by /rescue/init
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-01 Thread Gert Cuykens
On Apr 1, 2005 11:54 PM, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Apr 1, 2005 7:05 AM, Donald J. O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Thursday 31 March 2005 07:26 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote:
   It bugs me...
 
  NO, leave things as they are. If you delete all the things that have
  been bugging you, you'll have an in-operative system. then what are you
  going to do?
 
 
See the thing is i like /bin. /sbin is a bit to much but i can live
with it, i prefer one bin instead of two but /stand is just crossing
the line here :) You put it in bin or in sbin but thats it :)
 
The same reason my shuffled my /root into /usr/root/ and got rit of
the /usr/home/user and put it in /usr/user.
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Re: can i delete /stand ?

2005-04-01 Thread Gert Cuykens
On Apr 1, 2005 11:11 AM, Erik Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gert Cuykens wrote:
  It bugs me...
 
 yes you can. If you need to run sysinstall later it will be in
 /usr/sbin/sysinstall
 
 You might want to check your init_path in loader.conf, in
 /boot/defaults/loader.conf it is set to
 
/sbin/init:/sbin/oinit:/sbin/init.bak:/stand/sysinstall
 
 it would be sensible to replace /stand/sysinstall by /rescue/init
 

What happens if i leave /stand/sysinstall and put nothing in return ?
How will singel user look like ?
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