Re: common filesystem for Linux and FreeBSD
On 12/18/2007 2:17 AM Chad Perrin said the following: On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 11:06:15AM +0530, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: [snip] If FFS2 and EXT3 are ruled out, then what is remaining? ;) XFS? Maybe? My impression is that there isn't good UFS support in Linux, and that stable ext3 support is read-only in FreeBSD. If that's the case, then it really does seem to come down to a matter of figuring out whether XFS, JFS, or ReiserFS (to throw out a few examples) have stable read/write support in both Linux and FreeBSD systems. I use XFS on a Gentoo Linux distribution for a MythTV box and it has performed well for me. I've lost power on several occasions and the filesystem has remained intact. However I recall reading somewhere that XFS is better tuned for large files (such as the TV recordings that are 2+ Gb each) so you may want to check that before settling. I have no idea about XFS on FreeBSD. [snip] HTH, Drew -- Be a Great Magician! Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: common filesystem for Linux and FreeBSD
Chad Perrin wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 10:39:31AM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: That being the case, there is some data I would like to keep available to both FreeBSD and Linux systems, in stable read/write access with reasonably high access performance for both (fast enough to achieve decent frame rates, for instance). This seems to rule out both ext3 and UFS2. What filesystem(s) meet(s) my needs in this case? Since you didn't state anything about reliability, ext2 will maybe help you :) I thought stable covered that. ext2fs is stable in the sense that there are no known bugs, and it's 100% compatible with Linux. It just works. Unless you get frequent power outages or similar hard errors, the lack of journaling shouldn't bother you much. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: common filesystem for Linux and FreeBSD
On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 11:06:15AM +0530, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: I generally shy away from any multiboot situation since I have few machines with me. Even then I too have to multiboot once in a while. I prefer to avoid multiboot as well, but for a while there it seemed unlikely that I'd be able to do everything on this system that I want to be able to do if all I have is FreeBSD. I've managed to realize that my impression of limitation was, in fact, a failure on my part -- and not on FreeBSD's -- some hours ago, however. As a result, it looks like I'll be able to solve the problem without installing some Linux distro after all. If FFS2 and EXT3 are ruled out, then what is remaining? ;) XFS? Maybe? My impression is that there isn't good UFS support in Linux, and that stable ext3 support is read-only in FreeBSD. If that's the case, then it really does seem to come down to a matter of figuring out whether XFS, JFS, or ReiserFS (to throw out a few examples) have stable read/write support in both Linux and FreeBSD systems. It is a tough choice indeed. Of course you could do a diskless boot off an NFS and use that as file system for communication between the two OSes. But for that you need another machine connected over LAN running NFS of course. Yeah . . . this is a laptop, and I use it while traveling, so that wouldn't really suit my needs in this case. I appreciate the attempt, though. Anyway, as you may have gathered from an above paragraph of mine, it looks like I'm probably not going to need the Linux system after all. Sorry if my answer was irrelevant but this is the best I could do. It would be pretty harsh of me to say your best wasn't good enough. Thanks for the effort to help. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Baltasar Gracian: A wise man gets more from his enemies than a fool from his friends. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: common filesystem for Linux and FreeBSD
On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 11:06:30AM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 10:39:31AM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: That being the case, there is some data I would like to keep available to both FreeBSD and Linux systems, in stable read/write access with reasonably high access performance for both (fast enough to achieve decent frame rates, for instance). This seems to rule out both ext3 and UFS2. What filesystem(s) meet(s) my needs in this case? Since you didn't state anything about reliability, ext2 will maybe help you :) I thought stable covered that. ext2fs is stable in the sense that there are no known bugs, and it's 100% compatible with Linux. It just works. Unless you get frequent power outages or similar hard errors, the lack of journaling shouldn't bother you much. Ah, I understand your meaning now. I thought you meant reliable operation, and you just meant to refer to the fault-tolerance of the filesystem itself. Much clearer now. Thanks. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Leon Festinger: A man with a conviction is a hard man to change. Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts and figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: common filesystem for Linux and FreeBSD
Ivan Voras wrote: ext2fs is stable in the sense that there are no known bugs, and it's 100% compatible with Linux. It just works. Unless you get frequent power outages or similar hard errors, the lack of journaling shouldn't bother you much. I suggest that ext2+noatime is going to give him much better performance vs. ext3 anyway. -- Said one park ranger, 'There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.' Mark D. Foster, CISSP [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mark.foster.cc/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: common filesystem for Linux and FreeBSD
On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 03:17:00AM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 11:06:15AM +0530, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: I generally shy away from any multiboot situation since I have few machines with me. Even then I too have to multiboot once in a while. I prefer to avoid multiboot as well, but for a while there it seemed unlikely that I'd be able to do everything on this system that I want to be able to do if all I have is FreeBSD. I've managed to realize that my impression of limitation was, in fact, a failure on my part -- and not on FreeBSD's -- some hours ago, however. As a result, it looks like I'll be able to solve the problem without installing some Linux distro after all. If FFS2 and EXT3 are ruled out, then what is remaining? ;) XFS? Maybe? My impression is that there isn't good UFS support in Linux, and that stable ext3 support is read-only in FreeBSD. If that's the case, then it really does seem to come down to a matter of figuring out whether XFS, JFS, or ReiserFS (to throw out a few examples) have stable read/write support in both Linux and FreeBSD systems. It is a tough choice indeed. Of course you could do a diskless boot off an NFS and use that as file system for communication between the two OSes. But for that you need another machine connected over LAN running NFS of course. Yeah . . . this is a laptop, and I use it while traveling, so that wouldn't really suit my needs in this case. I appreciate the attempt, though. Anyway, as you may have gathered from an above paragraph of mine, it looks like I'm probably not going to need the Linux system after all. Sorry if my answer was irrelevant but this is the best I could do. It would be pretty harsh of me to say your best wasn't good enough. Thanks for the effort to help. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Baltasar Gracian: A wise man gets more from his enemies than a fool from his friends. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you feel like being adventerous, FAT/FAT32 :P Russell Doucette ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: common filesystem for Linux and FreeBSD
Chad Perrin wrote: That being the case, there is some data I would like to keep available to both FreeBSD and Linux systems, in stable read/write access with reasonably high access performance for both (fast enough to achieve decent frame rates, for instance). This seems to rule out both ext3 and UFS2. What filesystem(s) meet(s) my needs in this case? Since you didn't state anything about reliability, ext2 will maybe help you :) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: common filesystem for Linux and FreeBSD
That being the case, there is some data I would like to keep available to both FreeBSD and Linux systems, in stable read/write access with reasonably high access performance for both (fast enough to achieve decent frame rates, for instance). This seems to rule out both ext3 and UFS2. What filesystem(s) meet(s) my needs in this case? NFS would probably do it. You can use either OS as the NFS server and use which ever file system you desire. David -- David Robillard UNIX systems administrator Oracle DBA CISSP, RHCE Sun Certified Security Administrator Montreal: +1 514 966 0122 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: common filesystem for Linux and FreeBSD
On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 10:39:31AM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: That being the case, there is some data I would like to keep available to both FreeBSD and Linux systems, in stable read/write access with reasonably high access performance for both (fast enough to achieve decent frame rates, for instance). This seems to rule out both ext3 and UFS2. What filesystem(s) meet(s) my needs in this case? Since you didn't state anything about reliability, ext2 will maybe help you :) I thought stable covered that. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Larry Wall: A script is what you give the actors. A program is what you give the audience. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: common filesystem for Linux and FreeBSD
On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 10:38:54AM -0500, David Robillard wrote: That being the case, there is some data I would like to keep available to both FreeBSD and Linux systems, in stable read/write access with reasonably high access performance for both (fast enough to achieve decent frame rates, for instance). This seems to rule out both ext3 and UFS2. What filesystem(s) meet(s) my needs in this case? NFS would probably do it. You can use either OS as the NFS server and use which ever file system you desire. Are you suggesting I put the filesystem on another machine and use NFS to make it available to both OSes on this machine? I'm looking to have a filesystem on *this* machine that is available to both OSes, running one at a time. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Paul Graham: Real ugliness is not harsh-looking syntax, but having to build programs out of the wrong concepts. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: common filesystem for Linux and FreeBSD
On 22:05:08 Dec 17, Chad Perrin wrote: Are you suggesting I put the filesystem on another machine and use NFS to make it available to both OSes on this machine? I'm looking to have a filesystem on *this* machine that is available to both OSes, running one at a time. Chad, I saw your question but couldn't think of a proper answer. I generally shy away from any multiboot situation since I have few machines with me. Even then I too have to multiboot once in a while. Anyway coming back to the point. If FFS2 and EXT3 are ruled out, then what is remaining? ;) XFS? It is a tough choice indeed. Of course you could do a diskless boot off an NFS and use that as file system for communication between the two OSes. But for that you need another machine connected over LAN running NFS of course. Sorry if my answer was irrelevant but this is the best I could do. Thanks. -Girish ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
