Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-15 Thread Tino Engel

Predrag Punosevac wrote:
Any video posted on Youtube will work for youtube-dl . It will snap 
the file in .flv format which can be player only with VLC and MPlayer. 
Nothing else. Clive is capable of snapping videos from Google video as 
well and has an additional capabilities to converting .flv files to 
more friendly video formats like .MPG So what do you think? That I can 
not watch YouTube because I use FreeBSD? Funny...




But there has been an issue, a friend of mine reported to me. I do not 
know anything about this topic, but I wanted to post it here for 
convenience.


I have been told that there are various adult tubes on the net, that 
require flash  7. Since flash9 is obviously not working on freebsd (at 
list it wasn't one month ago) this friend of mine is not able to watch 
those adult tubes.
Due to his reporting, also tools like unplug-xpi did not do the job 
(btw, does this tool EVER download a flv file??)


Well, this of course does not affect me at all, but I wanted to forward 
the issue/feedback to the list.

Of course I will forward the replies back...

At last I can say, I am happy not having any interest in adult tubes and 
therefore not being affected by this topic...

(And I told my friend, he should not be wine-ing about this topic... ^^)



Greez, Tino
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RE: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


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 Subject: Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.


 On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 01:56:55PM +1030, Malcolm Kay wrote:
  On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 07:33 am, Gary Kline wrote:
  
 Folks,
  
 IFF k3b works, and I think it might, I'll put up a howto
 on  my bsd virtual site.   Make this domain more useful.
 The help from this group has been outstanding, but getting things
 CD and DVD actually working has been a study in persseverancce.
  
  I don't use k3b so what capability it has is not known to me.

   So far I've only used it to burn CD's; beyond that ... .
 
 That said,  first,if there is a website for total dweebs, please
 post it; or send it privately.  I just bought some Memorex
 DVD+RW ; I want to record a 117 minute commercial DVD.
 On the back on the DVDs is says these are only good for 60 minutes
 in great qualty; it is good up to 120 minutes, and so on.
 
  The nominal capacity of the single sided DVD is 120 minutes but some 32
  different definitions are recognised including:
  EP -- extended play - 360 minutes
  LP -- long play - 240 minutes
  SP -- standard play - 120 minutes
  FINE - 60 minutes
  But how are you getting your source? What definition is it in?

 The back of the disc says: Aprox 117 minutes; so evidently it was
 mastered in SP.If there are *32* defs, man, I miht as well throw in
 the towel and go back to my Shostakovich.  (Unless these definitions are
 largely air (==  PR stuff, aka hype).


Hi Gary,

  You mentioned you wanted to record a 117 minute COMMERCIAL dvd.  Now,
before I continue let me explain that doing so is illegal in the US.
All commercial DVD's are encrypted and the DMCA makes decrypting of
them illegal, it even makes it illegal to give someone a copy of
a program that will decrypt them, it makes it illegal to even write
and post online the source code to such a program. It is NOT illegal
to print up such source code in a paper book and sell it - the authors
of DMCA wanted to duck the 1st amendment -  Google DeCSS for
an understanding of the controversy.

  With this in mind understand that CSS was broken years ago.  Because
of this, the DVD producers figured out that copying wasn't much of
an obstacle to the unwashed masses, particulary when free programs
for Windows began to show up.

  Many people with children have found that they accumulate a large
number of Disney videos.  They have also found the kids tend to scratch
the shit out of them.  So there is a large interest in being able to
copy these things and store the masters safely away, then give the
kids the copy to destroy.  So all copying of commercial DVD's is not
for piracy and I think people who assert this are moronic idiots.
Further, with Disney DVD's, Disney lately has taken to inserting
commercials for Disney cruise lines and other garbage into the DVD's
that are NOT skippable with a normal DVD player.  Responsible parents
do not wish their kids to view this crap and so naturally there is
another reason to copy these - to remaster them to prune out these
commercials so the kids don't view them.  Also illegal under the
law as the copyright holder hasn't given you permission to do this.

  Anyway, Disney is greedy and wishes people to continue to
buy replacement DVD's for ones they already own, and they want to push
their crappy and junky cruise lines.  So they take a dim view of copying.
They know the CSS has been broken so these days they use all manner
of different copy protection.  One system is to intentionally press
the DVD with some sectors using invalid CRC's thus a regular block ISO
copy program will hit these sectors and assume the DVD is bad and
abort.  The menu on the DVD avoids these sectors, naturally.  The
latest trick is to damage the filesystem on the DVD in
such a way as to make the DVD readable by a DVD player but not by
a computer DVD drive.  Pirates of Carribean 3 has that one, for example.
There are many other copy protection tricks, it is a cat-and-mouse
game that entire websites are devoted to following.  Interestingly,
since so many of these schemes utterly violate the DVD standards,
companies like Disney are not allowed to use the official DVD logos
on the boxes that they package their DVD's on.  That is why Disney
for example has their own logo - Disney DVD - which is meaningless
under the standard.

  So far, of the HD formats, HD-DVD encryption has also been cracked
and Blue Ray has not.  That is why this Christmas Disney is pushing
Blue Ray and isn't making their movie titles available in HD-DVD.

  Anyway, the fact is that none of the open source DVD copying
programs can really deal with these advanced systems.  They can
deal with CSS but that's it.  If your plan is to copy commercial
DVD's for your own use, you should

Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-11 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:41:08AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

 ...

   But how are you getting your source? What definition is it in?
 
  The back of the disc says: Aprox 117 minutes; so evidently it was
  mastered in SP.If there are *32* defs, man, I miht as well throw in
  the towel and go back to my Shostakovich.  (Unless these definitions are
  largely air (==  PR stuff, aka hype).
 
 
 Hi Gary,
 
   You mentioned you wanted to record a 117 minute COMMERCIAL dvd.  Now,
 before I continue let me explain that doing so is illegal in the US.
 All commercial DVD's are encrypted and the DMCA makes decrypting of
 them illegal, it even makes it illegal to give someone a copy of
 a program that will decrypt them, it makes it illegal to even write
 and post online the source code to such a program. It is NOT illegal
 to print up such source code in a paper book and sell it - the authors
 of DMCA wanted to duck the 1st amendment -  Google DeCSS for
 an understanding of the controversy.
 
   With this in mind understand that CSS was broken years ago.  Because
 of this, the DVD producers figured out that copying wasn't much of
 an obstacle to the unwashed masses, particulary when free programs
 for Windows began to show up.
 
   Many people with children have found that they accumulate a large
 number of Disney videos.  They have also found the kids tend to scratch
 the shit out of them.  So there is a large interest in being able to
 copy these things and store the masters safely away, then give the
 kids the copy to destroy.  So all copying of commercial DVD's is not
 for piracy and I think people who assert this are moronic idiots.

You are so right.
Any backyard/foreign, etc software pirates have no problem defeating
the copy protections and merrily go their way making thousands of pirate
copies while ordinary folk out there who are copying for personal, home
use, such as backup (legal by the way) are the only ones hampered by 
these junky, anti consumer, schemes.

jerry

 
 Further, with Disney DVD's, Disney lately has taken to inserting
 commercials for Disney cruise lines and other garbage into the DVD's
 that are NOT skippable with a normal DVD player.  Responsible parents
 do not wish their kids to view this crap and so naturally there is
 another reason to copy these - to remaster them to prune out these
 commercials so the kids don't view them.  Also illegal under the
 law as the copyright holder hasn't given you permission to do this.
 
 ...
 
   Anyway, the fact is that none of the open source DVD copying
 programs can really deal with these advanced systems.  They can
 deal with CSS but that's it.  If your plan is to copy commercial
 DVD's for your own use, you should be aware of all this.  Right
 now, the most advanced DVD cracking programs that will deal with
 ALL of the perverted copy protection schemes in use are only available
 as commercial programs for Windows.  (Some trialware, some not)
 And none are available over-the-counter in the US, you have to
 download them from foreign websites.
 
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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-11 Thread Chris Whitehouse

Predrag Punosevac wrote:

Any video posted on Youtube will work for youtube-dl . It will snap the 
file in .flv format which can be player only with VLC and MPlayer. 
Nothing else. Clive is capable of snapping videos from Google video as 
well and has an additional capabilities to converting

.flv files to more friendly video formats like .MPG

So what do you think? That I can not watch YouTube because I use 
FreeBSD? Funny...


/me laughs

But seriously yes I have to confess that in certain respects I do have 
that expectation of FreeBSD. It's not about what it can do it's about 
what people want to make it do. If I don't have ability/time/impetus to 
make it do something I accept it and I am very grateful for the 
solutions posted here.


Sorry, really OT.

Chris

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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-11 Thread Gary Kline
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:41:08AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 
 
  -Original Message-
 Hi Gary,
 
   You mentioned you wanted to record a 117 minute COMMERCIAL dvd.  Now,
 before I continue let me explain that doing so is illegal in the US.
 All commercial DVD's are encrypted and the DMCA makes decrypting of
 them illegal, it even makes it illegal to give someone a copy of
 a program that will decrypt them, it makes it illegal to even write
 and post online the source code to such a program. It is NOT illegal
 to print up such source code in a paper book and sell it - the authors
 of DMCA wanted to duck the 1st amendment -  Google DeCSS for
 an understanding of the controversy.



I'll check it out when I have nothig better to do!  I've given up
on copying the one commercial DVD but still want to back up my
Jos Campbell DVD.  Before it gets scratched up.  Or lost.

 
   With this in mind understand that CSS was broken years ago.  Because
 of this, the DVD producers figured out that copying wasn't much of
 an obstacle to the unwashed masses, particulary when free programs
 for Windows began to show up.
 
   Many people with children have found that they accumulate a large
 number of Disney videos.  They have also found the kids tend to scratch
 the shit out of them.  So there is a large interest in being able to
 copy these things and store the masters safely away, then give the
 kids the copy to destroy.  So all copying of commercial DVD's is not
 for piracy and I think people who assert this are moronic idiots.
 Further, with Disney DVD's, Disney lately has taken to inserting
 commercials for Disney cruise lines and other garbage into the DVD's
 that are NOT skippable with a normal DVD player.  Responsible parents
 do not wish their kids to view this crap and so naturally there is
 another reason to copy these - to remaster them to prune out these
 commercials so the kids don't view them.  Also illegal under the
 law as the copyright holder hasn't given you permission to do this.


It wasn't bad enough that Ol' Walt loved Uncle Adolf; but 
the corporate culture hasn't changed that much now, has it?


 
   Anyway, Disney is greedy and wishes people to continue to
 buy replacement DVD's for ones they already own, and they want to push
 their crappy and junky cruise lines.  So they take a dim view of copying.
 They know the CSS has been broken so these days they use all manner
 of different copy protection.  One system is to intentionally press
 the DVD with some sectors using invalid CRC's thus a regular block ISO
 copy program will hit these sectors and assume the DVD is bad and
 abort.  The menu on the DVD avoids these sectors, naturally.  The
 latest trick is to damage the filesystem on the DVD in
 such a way as to make the DVD readable by a DVD player but not by
 a computer DVD drive.  Pirates of Carribean 3 has that one, for example.
 There are many other copy protection tricks, it is a cat-and-mouse
 game that entire websites are devoted to following.  Interestingly,
 since so many of these schemes utterly violate the DVD standards,
 companies like Disney are not allowed to use the official DVD logos
 on the boxes that they package their DVD's on.  That is why Disney
 for example has their own logo - Disney DVD - which is meaningless
 under the standard.


this i hadn't heaard, but it doesn't surprise me.
 
   So far, of the HD formats, HD-DVD encryption has also been cracked
 and Blue Ray has not.  That is why this Christmas Disney is pushing
 Blue Ray and isn't making their movie titles available in HD-DVD.
 
   Anyway, the fact is that none of the open source DVD copying
 programs can really deal with these advanced systems.  They can
 deal with CSS but that's it.  If your plan is to copy commercial
 DVD's for your own use, you should be aware of all this.  Right
 now, the most advanced DVD cracking programs that will deal with
 ALL of the perverted copy protection schemes in use are only available
 as commercial programs for Windows.  (Some trialware, some not)
 And none are available over-the-counter in the US, you have to
 download them from foreign websites.
 

Well, if it takes messing with Dos: no thanks.  for as little as 
I watch any video, if I can't tape it off PBS, then I'll buy 
whatever DVDs there are.  Just a shame that I can't make a backup.
Oh-well.  Compared to all the rest of the BS and global problems,
*this* issue isn't even a hill of beans.

gary 

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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-09 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 07:46:40PM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote:
 Gary Kline wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 02:18:25PM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote:
   
 Gary Kline wrote:
 
Folks,
 
IFF k3b works, and I think it might, I'll put up a howto
on  my bsd virtual site.   Make this domain more useful.
The help from this group has been outstanding, but getting things
CD and DVD actually working has been a study in persseverancce.
 
That said,  first,if there is a website for total dweebs, please
post it; or send it privately.  I just bought some Memorex 
DVD+RW ; I want to record a 117 minute commercial DVD.
On the back on the DVDs is says these are only good for 60 minutes
in great qualty; it is good up to 120 minutes, and so on.
Nutshell: how good will k3b and my Pioneer burner do on dubbing
this professioally recorded disc?  Also, Does thw RW mean tthat 
I can re-tape over this with another edu DVD?
 
gary
 
PS:  I much prefer analogue cassettes; I've been taping stuff
 since I taped American Bandstand off the TV :-)
 
 
 
 
  
   
 I wrote K3b how to 
 http://www.bsd-srbija.org/dokumentacija/doku.php/rezanje_cd_i_dvd_diskova_pomo%C4%87u_k3b
 but you will need little bit of Serbian language to read it.
 
 
 
  Actually, my best friend for  30 years comes from [ what was ]
  Yugoslavia; so he could surely help me with the translation.
 
  I think I have the k3b stuff actually workinng.  As of late FFriday
  night, k3b ran thru all of its tests.That wasn't my question.
  I want to know
  more about what DVD blanks are good,better,best, and whether it is 
  worth wasting a blank DVD in trying to copy a DVD that I borrowed
  from the library.   
 
  I've googled arouund, tryiiing to get some  kind of specs that an
  EE can understand ... even if he kknows nothing about figital
  video.   
 
   
 I think that duplicating DVDs works like a charm on FreeBSD but I think 
 there is a better software in ports for that of K3b which is
 kind a all in one generic GUI application. This is also a useful link   
 http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html if you are trying to 
 understand DVD business.  There are definitely people on this mailing 
 list or on OpenBSD mailing list (I do not remember any more as I am on 
 both mailing lists) who have fantastic knowledge of DVD writable medias,
 proprietary Video Formats and various issues that come with that including
 the issues of regional coding and by that I do not mean just USA vs 
 Europe or Asia. Even inside of U. S. where I have being g living for the 
 past 12 years there are many different regional formats. I am clueless 
 about it.
 

Hm.  There is a new protocol, DVD-ROM (or perhaps it was
DVD-CDROM); so if there are even *more*, I'd be spinning my wheel s,
trying to figure this stuff out in any depth.   

 As a mathematician I  am probably much less capable of understanding DVD 
 technical issues than you.
 

Isn't it more a matter of personal interest and time?  I love math
--and several other fields as well--but given the limitations we
all have, learning sufficiently well (not to mention
keeping-current:-), should give everyone pause.  --Then there is
the matter of living Life, and blah-blah-blah.  Re the DVD stuff,
I'd be happy to know some of the boundary conditions.  And more
practice and testing than theory.


 To be perfectly  honest  as a professional mathematician I am very 
 concern with the status of TeX port and the fact that two years after
 teTeX was abolished by TeX community in favor of TeXLive there are no 
 even indication that the TeXLive will be ported to FreeBSD. Even in the 
 most crude form (4 packages) as it is done in OpenBSD would be better 
 than noting. Of course the Debian way (30 or so packages) would be my 
 preferable way as TeXLive is developing really rapidly in some areas.  
 My knowledge of porting is unfortunately inadequate to be able to help 
 with such a major project.
 

teTeX is dead?   After I met Don Knuth I really got into his
stuff.  But then, as mentioned above,  LIFE hit me over the head, c.
FWIW, Someone friom the OOo list posted a math site a couple days
ago. The site deals with some of the things that may interest you.
I'll find it--this one I moused and clicked nd snagged.  

Or then again, if DEbian has the new TeX packages, our FBSD 
Linux support would do.   ... .

ciao,

gary


 
 Cheers,
 Predrag
 
 
 
 
 
 
  thanks for your email; it was one of the postings that helped me
  get atapicam stuff *working*
 
  :-)
 
  gary
 
 
   
 Actually probably you could follow article even if you do not speak 
 Serbian as the language is generic and there are only three important 
 steps you need to do.
 
 Step 1 Editing your 

Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-09 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 11:59:22PM +0100, Michel Talon wrote:
 Gary Kline wrote:
 
  IFF k3b works, and I think it might, I'll put up a howto
  on  my bsd virtual site. 
 
 K3b certainly works to burn CDs and DVDs under FreeBSD. I have used
 it many times on several burners. Of course you need to kldload
 atapicam for that. What does not work on any of my burners is burncd.

I've only burned CDs on my Ubuntu platform.  Are your necessay
binaries chmod'd suid?  that I missed until Saturday afternoon.


 By the way if you want to copy 8 Gigs DVD on 4 Gigs DVD, i can recommend
 you k9copy, which is fantastic. Does as well as dvdshrink, and very
 fast.
 

If these are ports, I'll build them, thanks much,

gary

PS:  To the list: is there any extended play alogrithm that 
 has the least loss?  
 -- 
 
 Michel TALON
 
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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-09 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 01:56:55PM +1030, Malcolm Kay wrote:
 On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 07:33 am, Gary Kline wrote:
  
  Folks,
  
  IFF k3b works, and I think it might, I'll put up a howto
  on  my bsd virtual site.   Make this domain more useful.
  The help from this group has been outstanding, but getting things
  CD and DVD actually working has been a study in persseverancce.
  
 I don't use k3b so what capability it has is not known to me.

So far I've only used it to burn CD's; beyond that ... .
 
  That said,  first,if there is a website for total dweebs, please
  post it; or send it privately.  I just bought some Memorex 
  DVD+RW ; I want to record a 117 minute commercial DVD.
  On the back on the DVDs is says these are only good for 60 minutes
  in great qualty; it is good up to 120 minutes, and so on.
 
 The nominal capacity of the single sided DVD is 120 minutes but some 32 
 different definitions are recognised including:
 EP -- extended play - 360 minutes
 LP -- long play - 240 minutes
 SP -- standard play - 120 minutes
 FINE - 60 minutes
 But how are you getting your source? What definition is it in?

The back of the disc says: Aprox 117 minutes; so evidently it was
mastered in SP.If there are *32* defs, man, I miht as well throw in
the towel and go back to my Shostakovich.  (Unless these definitions are 
largely air (==  PR stuff, aka hype).

 
  Nutshell: how good will k3b and my Pioneer burner do on dubbing
  this professioally recorded disc?  
 
 As I've already said I know little of k3b but you'll probably need some sort
 of authoring/editing software and possibly another package for 
 compression/definition 
 conversion.
 
  Also, Does thw RW mean tthat  
  I can re-tape over this with another edu DVD?
 
 Yes, it means that the total disk can be rewritten -- but the ability to
 edit without rewriting all can be quite limited. And RW disks can have a 
 rather limited rewrite life -- some 10s of times.


Thanks for your datapoints.   The URL that Predrag posted ought 
to give more pointers.


gary
  
  gary
  
  PS:  I much prefer analogue cassettes; I've been taping stuff
   since I taped American Bandstand off the TV :-)
 
 EP or LP modes with 6 or 4 hour capacity would probably both cater for a 
 better quality than your analogue cassettes.
 
  
  
  
  
 
 Malcolm

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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-09 Thread neal
On Saturday 08 December 2007, Predrag Punosevac wrote:
 I wrote K3b how to
 http://www.bsd-srbija.org/dokumentacija/doku.php/rezanje_
cd_i_dvd_diskova_pomo%C4%87u_k3b but you will need little
 bit of Serbian language to read it.

 Actually probably you could follow article even if you do
 not speak Serbian as the language is generic and there
 are only three important steps you need to do.

 Step 1 Editing your /boot/loader.conf file with

 atapicam_load=YES
 hw.ata.ata_dma=1
 hw.ata.atapi_dma=1

 since FreeBSD is using atapicam device to write DVD


 Step 2 Edit your /etc/devfs.conf with various permission.
 Most of those are needed for a work station anyway

 perm      /dev/acd0   0666
 perm      /dev/cd0    0666

 # Commonly used by many ports
    
 link  cd0 cdrom
 link  cd0  dvd
 link  cd0  rdvd

 link  acd0 cdrom
 link  acd0 dvd
 link  acd0 rdvd

 # Misc other devices

 perm    cdrom   0666
 perm    dvd     0666
 perm    rdvd    0666
 perm    xpt0    0666
 perm    pass0   0666


 Step 3 Edit your /etc/fstab file if you want to use K3b
 as a normal user since the disk has to be mounted on the
 mount point which belong to you


 [pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ more /etc/fstab
 #These are my options
 /dev/cd0     /usr/home/Pedja/mnt/cdrom cd9660   rw,
 noauto      0       0 /dev/acd0  
  /usr/home/Pedja/mnt/cdrom cd9660   rw, noauto      0    
   0



 You do not need HAL for things to work but is not going
 to heart.


 Also read

 make showinfo /usr/ports/sysutils/k3b

 Best,
 Predrag

Thanks for posting this Predrag.

I have had unsolvable (so far) problems with playing both 
dvd movies and cd audio. MPlayer will play VOBs but no 
menus, no navigation which can make watching pretty much 
impossible sometimes. 

I had actually given up on trying to get these two features 
to work and have installed a new linux (to me), Kubuntu. On 
this platform, there are no problems with DVD movies, audio 
cd, streamed audio, even flash. I can watch youtube too. 
This has not been the case on FreeBSD. I have tried 
installing FreeBSD 6.2 via three different versions, 
FreeBSD, DesktopBSD and PCBSD, and asked questions on their 
mailing lists. 

But I do like many things about BSD and would like to be 
able to move to it completely when I can have these 
features working correctly, so I will try your suggestions 
above and see what happens.

neal.
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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-09 Thread Tino Engel

neal schrieb:
I have had unsolvable (so far) problems with playing both 
dvd movies and cd audio. MPlayer will play VOBs but no 
menus, no navigation which can make watching pretty much 
impossible sometimes. 

I had actually given up on trying to get these two features 
to work and have installed a new linux (to me), Kubuntu. On 
this platform, there are no problems with DVD movies, audio 
cd, streamed audio, even flash. I can watch youtube too. 
This has not been the case on FreeBSD. I have tried 
installing FreeBSD 6.2 via three different versions, 
FreeBSD, DesktopBSD and PCBSD, and asked questions on their 
mailing lists. 
  

Try to install www/linux-opera, audio/vlc for DVDs and 
www/linux-flashplugin7 for flash.

That should give you ability to watch DVD and flash... (works for me...)

Greez, Tino
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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-09 Thread Predrag Punosevac

neal wrote:

On Saturday 08 December 2007, Predrag Punosevac wrote:
  

I wrote K3b how to
http://www.bsd-srbija.org/dokumentacija/doku.php/rezanje_
cd_i_dvd_diskova_pomo%C4%87u_k3b but you will need little
bit of Serbian language to read it.

Actually probably you could follow article even if you do
not speak Serbian as the language is generic and there
are only three important steps you need to do.

Step 1 Editing your /boot/loader.conf file with

atapicam_load=YES
hw.ata.ata_dma=1
hw.ata.atapi_dma=1

since FreeBSD is using atapicam device to write DVD


Step 2 Edit your /etc/devfs.conf with various permission.
Most of those are needed for a work station anyway

perm  /dev/acd0   0666
perm  /dev/cd00666

# Commonly used by many ports
   
link  cd0 cdrom

link  cd0  dvd
link  cd0  rdvd

link  acd0 cdrom
link  acd0 dvd
link  acd0 rdvd

# Misc other devices

permcdrom   0666
permdvd 0666
permrdvd0666
permxpt00666
permpass0   0666


Step 3 Edit your /etc/fstab file if you want to use K3b
as a normal user since the disk has to be mounted on the
mount point which belong to you


[pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ more /etc/fstab
#These are my options
/dev/cd0 /usr/home/Pedja/mnt/cdrom cd9660   rw,
noauto  0   0 /dev/acd0  
 /usr/home/Pedja/mnt/cdrom cd9660   rw, noauto  0
  0




You do not need HAL for things to work but is not going
to heart.


Also read

make showinfo /usr/ports/sysutils/k3b

Best,
Predrag



Thanks for posting this Predrag.

I have had unsolvable (so far) problems with playing both 
dvd movies and cd audio. MPlayer will play VOBs but no 
menus, no navigation which can make watching pretty much 
impossible sometimes. 

I had actually given up on trying to get these two features 
to work and have installed a new linux (to me), Kubuntu. On 
this platform, there are no problems with DVD movies, audio 
cd, streamed audio, even flash. I can watch youtube too. 
This has not been the case on FreeBSD. I have tried 
installing FreeBSD 6.2 via three different versions, 
FreeBSD, DesktopBSD and PCBSD, and asked questions on their 
mailing lists. 

  

My Dear Friend,

You will have to wait for a very long time then since all of the above 
except Flash (which Adobe does release for Linux but not for FreeBSD) 
works flawlessly on FreeBSD including watching YouTube (just use 
youtube-dl to snap the video and play with VLC). There are even 
alternative solutions for the Flash unless you want to play video games 
full of Flash!


The only reason they didn't work for you is that you didn't know how to 
set up those features.


Never the less if you fell more comfortably with Kubuntu stick with it. 
FreeBSD is not platform for everything and everyone.
Personally, I find myself using more and more OpenBSD. So you have to 
use OS you are comfortable with and has a features you most desire (in 
my case enhanced security).


Best,
Predrag







But I do like many things about BSD and would like to be 
able to move to it completely when I can have these 
features working correctly, so I will try your suggestions 
above and see what happens.


neal.
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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-09 Thread Chris Whitehouse

Predrag Punosevac wrote:


My Dear Friend,

You will have to wait for a very long time then since all of the above 
except Flash (which Adobe does release for Linux but not for FreeBSD) 
works flawlessly on FreeBSD including watching YouTube (just use 
youtube-dl to snap the video and play with VLC). There are even 
alternative solutions for the Flash unless you want to play video games 
full of Flash!


I tried youtube-dl but every url I tried gave
youtube-dl: No match.

eg

%youtube-dl http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA
youtube-dl: No match.

I even installed the latest version.

Do only certain videos work? Do you have an example that works?

Thanks and apologies for hijacking your thread.

Chris
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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-09 Thread Roland Smith
On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 11:57:18PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote:
 I tried youtube-dl but every url I tried gave
 youtube-dl: No match.
 
 eg
 
 %youtube-dl http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA
 youtube-dl: No match.

You have to quote the argument to youtube-dl, otherwise the shell will
mess it up, because '?' is a special character for the shell.

So use: youtube-dl 'http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA'

Tested and works fine here.

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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-09 Thread Chris Whitehouse

Chris Whitehouse wrote:

Predrag Punosevac wrote:


My Dear Friend,

You will have to wait for a very long time then since all of the above 
except Flash (which Adobe does release for Linux but not for FreeBSD) 
works flawlessly on FreeBSD including watching YouTube (just use 
youtube-dl to snap the video and play with VLC). There are even 
alternative solutions for the Flash unless you want to play video 
games full of Flash!


I tried youtube-dl but every url I tried gave
youtube-dl: No match.

eg

%youtube-dl http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA
youtube-dl: No match.

I even installed the latest version.

Do only certain videos work? Do you have an example that works?

Thanks and apologies for hijacking your thread.

Chris
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%youtube-dl http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA;
Retrieving video webpage... done.

needs quotes...

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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-09 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 11:57:18PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote:
 Predrag Punosevac wrote:
 
 My Dear Friend,
 You will have to wait for a very long time then since all of the above 
 except Flash (which Adobe does release for Linux but not for FreeBSD) 
 works flawlessly on FreeBSD including watching YouTube (just use 
 youtube-dl to snap the video and play with VLC). There are even 
 alternative solutions for the Flash unless you want to play video games 
 full of Flash!
 
 I tried youtube-dl but every url I tried gave
 youtube-dl: No match.
 
 eg
 
 %youtube-dl http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA
 youtube-dl: No match.

To get that example to work try:

youtube-dl 'http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA'

instead.  The quote marks are important, because otherwise the shell
will try to interpret the ? in the URL as a wildcard and try to do wildcard
expansion as if it was a filename.  It is the shell (not youtube-dl)
which gives the error message, when it cannot find any file that matches.

This is nothing specific to youtube-dl.  It is just the way most shells
under Unix work.  If you do not want the shell to try to interpret any
'funny' characters in an argument to the command you need to enclose the
argument in quote marks.

 
 I even installed the latest version.
 
 Do only certain videos work? Do you have an example that works?
 
 Thanks and apologies for hijacking your thread.
 



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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-09 Thread Chris Whitehouse

Erik Trulsson wrote:

On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 11:57:18PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote:

Predrag Punosevac wrote:


My Dear Friend,
You will have to wait for a very long time then since all of the above 
except Flash (which Adobe does release for Linux but not for FreeBSD) 
works flawlessly on FreeBSD including watching YouTube (just use 
youtube-dl to snap the video and play with VLC). There are even 
alternative solutions for the Flash unless you want to play video games 
full of Flash!

I tried youtube-dl but every url I tried gave
youtube-dl: No match.

eg

%youtube-dl http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA
youtube-dl: No match.


To get that example to work try:

youtube-dl 'http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA'

instead.  The quote marks are important, because otherwise the shell
will try to interpret the ? in the URL as a wildcard and try to do wildcard
expansion as if it was a filename.  It is the shell (not youtube-dl)
which gives the error message, when it cannot find any file that matches.

This is nothing specific to youtube-dl.  It is just the way most shells
under Unix work.  If you do not want the shell to try to interpret any
'funny' characters in an argument to the command you need to enclose the
argument in quote marks.



Yes that works, thanks everyone

Chris

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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-09 Thread Predrag Punosevac

Chris Whitehouse wrote:

Predrag Punosevac wrote:


My Dear Friend,

You will have to wait for a very long time then since all of the 
above except Flash (which Adobe does release for Linux but not for 
FreeBSD) works flawlessly on FreeBSD including watching YouTube (just 
use youtube-dl to snap the video and play with VLC). There are even 
alternative solutions for the Flash unless you want to play video 
games full of Flash!


I tried youtube-dl but every url I tried gave
youtube-dl: No match.

eg

%youtube-dl http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA
youtube-dl: No match.

I even installed the latest version.

Do only certain videos work? Do you have an example that works?

Any video posted on Youtube will work for youtube-dl . It will snap the 
file in .flv format which can be player only with VLC and MPlayer. 
Nothing else. Clive is capable of snapping videos from Google video as 
well and has an additional capabilities to converting

.flv files to more friendly video formats like .MPG

So what do you think? That I can not watch YouTube because I use 
FreeBSD? Funny...


There are at least 4 other way to watch videos on YouTube on FreeBSD 
running machine. The one I proposed is the simplest.



Thanks and apologies for hijacking your thread.

Chris
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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-09 Thread RW
On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 14:45:22 +
neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I have had unsolvable (so far) problems with playing both 
 dvd movies and cd audio. MPlayer will play VOBs but no 
 menus, no navigation which can make watching pretty much 
 impossible sometimes. 
 
 I had actually given up on trying to get these two features 
 to work and have installed a new linux (to me), Kubuntu.

Probably Kubuntu was using Kmplayer with the Xine backend. Xine has DVD
menu support and AFAIK MPlayer doesn't on any platform. I would normally
use Xine for DVDs and most video files as its picture quality is
better. That said, if you want to play DVDs through mplayer you can navigate
via the gmplayer context menu - you don't need to play the vob files
directly.

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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-09 Thread RW
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:09:40 +0100
Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 11:57:18PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote:
  I tried youtube-dl but every url I tried gave
  youtube-dl: No match.
  
  eg
  
  %youtube-dl http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA
  youtube-dl: No match.
 
 You have to quote the argument to youtube-dl, otherwise the shell will
 mess it up, because '?' is a special character for the shell.
 
 So use: youtube-dl 'http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA'


An alternative is the All-In-One Video Bookmarklet which you can get
here:

http://1024k.de/bookmarklets/video-bookmarklets.html

It's just a little bit of javascript that's small enough to live in a
bookmark. It turns the current page into a list of download links. I
find it a lot easier than youtube-dl.







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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-09 Thread neal
On Monday 10 December 2007, RW wrote:
 Probably Kubuntu was using Kmplayer with the Xine
 backend. Xine has DVD menu support and AFAIK MPlayer
 doesn't on any platform. I would normally use Xine for
 DVDs and most video files as its picture quality is
 better. That said, if you want to play DVDs through
 mplayer you can navigate via the gmplayer context menu -
 you don't need to play the vob files directly.

No, I was using Kaffeine which also uses the xine backend 
(and its better picture quality).

I see my original post ended up looking like just a moan 
when that wasn't my intention. (best laid plans...)

I chose Kubuntu because it has an easy set up for VMware and 
a couple of similar products which I hope to get installed 
and set up to run BSD. Like I said I really like many 
things about FreeBSD, like it is just so much better 
organised than the Linux I've previously used. I just 
wanted to get 'my'  basic requirements established first 
which has usually been trivial to achieve, but 
unfortunately got no further.

neal.
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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT. youtube-dl

2007-12-09 Thread Jimmie James

Chris said:


I tried youtube-dl but every url I tried gave
youtube-dl: No match.
eg
%youtube-dl http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA
youtube-dl: No match.


I'm sure someone else is going to jump in saying to qoute the URL, but 
and even easier way is to grab the string after watch?v=  in your example :

[23:29:22]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 104 [0] ~youtube-dl gpIM3nBR2ZA
Retrieving video webpage... done.
Extracting URL t parameter... done.
Requesting video file... done.Video data found at 
http://chi-v274.chi.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=gpIM3nBR2ZA

Retrieving video data:   7.8% (   1.59M of 20.41M) at  159.43k/s ETA 02:00

It's a little be easier, IMHO.

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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT. youtube-dl

2007-12-09 Thread Robert Huff

Chris said:
  
  I tried youtube-dl but every url I tried gave
  youtube-dl: No match.
  eg
  %youtube-dl http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA
  youtube-dl: No match.

You have to quote the URL:

huff@ youtube-dl http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA;

The shell parses http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA;, sees
the '?', thinks it's a shell glob character, and does the usual
thing.  Which turns out to not be the Right Thing.


Robert Huff
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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-08 Thread Predrag Punosevac

Gary Kline wrote:

Folks,

IFF k3b works, and I think it might, I'll put up a howto
on  my bsd virtual site.   Make this domain more useful.
The help from this group has been outstanding, but getting things
CD and DVD actually working has been a study in persseverancce.

That said,  first,if there is a website for total dweebs, please
	post it; or send it privately.  I just bought some Memorex 
	DVD+RW ; I want to record a 117 minute commercial DVD.

On the back on the DVDs is says these are only good for 60 minutes
in great qualty; it is good up to 120 minutes, and so on.
Nutshell: how good will k3b and my Pioneer burner do on dubbing
	this professioally recorded disc?  Also, Does thw RW mean tthat 
	I can re-tape over this with another edu DVD?


gary

PS:  I much prefer analogue cassettes; I've been taping stuff
 since I taped American Bandstand off the TV :-)




  
I wrote K3b how to 
http://www.bsd-srbija.org/dokumentacija/doku.php/rezanje_cd_i_dvd_diskova_pomo%C4%87u_k3b

but you will need little bit of Serbian language to read it.

Actually probably you could follow article even if you do not speak 
Serbian as the language is generic and there are only three important 
steps you need to do.


Step 1 Editing your /boot/loader.conf file with

atapicam_load=YES
hw.ata.ata_dma=1
hw.ata.atapi_dma=1

since FreeBSD is using atapicam device to write DVD


Step 2 Edit your /etc/devfs.conf with various permission. Most of those 
are needed for a work station anyway


perm  /dev/acd0   0666
perm  /dev/cd00666

# Commonly used by many ports
  
link  cd0 cdrom

link  cd0  dvd
link  cd0  rdvd

link  acd0 cdrom
link  acd0 dvd
link  acd0 rdvd

# Misc other devices

permcdrom   0666
permdvd 0666
permrdvd0666
permxpt00666
permpass0   0666


Step 3 Edit your /etc/fstab file if you want to use K3b as a normal user 
since the disk has to be mounted on the mount point which belong to you



[pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ more /etc/fstab
#These are my options
/dev/cd0 /usr/home/Pedja/mnt/cdrom cd9660   rw, noauto  0   0
/dev/acd0/usr/home/Pedja/mnt/cdrom cd9660   rw, noauto  0   0



You do not need HAL for things to work but is not going to heart.


Also read

make showinfo /usr/ports/sysutils/k3b

Best,
Predrag





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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-08 Thread Michel Talon
Gary Kline wrote:

 IFF k3b works, and I think it might, I'll put up a howto
 on  my bsd virtual site. 

K3b certainly works to burn CDs and DVDs under FreeBSD. I have used
it many times on several burners. Of course you need to kldload
atapicam for that. What does not work on any of my burners is burncd.
By the way if you want to copy 8 Gigs DVD on 4 Gigs DVD, i can recommend
you k9copy, which is fantastic. Does as well as dvdshrink, and very
fast.

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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-08 Thread Predrag Punosevac

Gary Kline wrote:

On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 02:18:25PM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote:
  

Gary Kline wrote:


Folks,

IFF k3b works, and I think it might, I'll put up a howto
on  my bsd virtual site.   Make this domain more useful.
The help from this group has been outstanding, but getting things
CD and DVD actually working has been a study in persseverancce.

That said,  first,if there is a website for total dweebs, please
	post it; or send it privately.  I just bought some Memorex 
	DVD+RW ; I want to record a 117 minute commercial DVD.

On the back on the DVDs is says these are only good for 60 minutes
in great qualty; it is good up to 120 minutes, and so on.
Nutshell: how good will k3b and my Pioneer burner do on dubbing
	this professioally recorded disc?  Also, Does thw RW mean tthat 
	I can re-tape over this with another edu DVD?


gary

PS:  I much prefer analogue cassettes; I've been taping stuff
 since I taped American Bandstand off the TV :-)




 
  
I wrote K3b how to 
http://www.bsd-srbija.org/dokumentacija/doku.php/rezanje_cd_i_dvd_diskova_pomo%C4%87u_k3b

but you will need little bit of Serbian language to read it.




Actually, my best friend for  30 years comes from [ what was ]
Yugoslavia; so he could surely help me with the translation.

I think I have the k3b stuff actually workinng.  As of late FFriday
night, k3b ran thru all of its tests.That wasn't my question.
I want to know
	more about what DVD blanks are good,better,best, and whether it is 
	worth wasting a blank DVD in trying to copy a DVD that I borrowed
	from the library.   


I've googled arouund, tryiiing to get some  kind of specs that an
EE can understand ... even if he kknows nothing about figital
	video.   

  
I think that duplicating DVDs works like a charm on FreeBSD but I think 
there is a better software in ports for that of K3b which is
kind a all in one generic GUI application. This is also a useful link   
http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html if you are trying to 
understand DVD business.  There are definitely people on this mailing 
list or on OpenBSD mailing list (I do not remember any more as I am on 
both mailing lists) who have fantastic knowledge of DVD writable medias,

proprietary Video Formats and various issues that come with that including
the issues of regional coding and by that I do not mean just USA vs 
Europe or Asia. Even inside of U. S. where I have being g living for the 
past 12 years there are many different regional formats. I am clueless 
about it.


As a mathematician I  am probably much less capable of understanding DVD 
technical issues than you.


To be perfectly  honest  as a professional mathematician I am very 
concern with the status of TeX port and the fact that two years after
teTeX was abolished by TeX community in favor of TeXLive there are no 
even indication that the TeXLive will be ported to FreeBSD. Even in the 
most crude form (4 packages) as it is done in OpenBSD would be better 
than noting. Of course the Debian way (30 or so packages) would be my 
preferable way as TeXLive is developing really rapidly in some areas.  
My knowledge of porting is unfortunately inadequate to be able to help 
with such a major project.



Cheers,
Predrag







thanks for your email; it was one of the postings that helped me
get atapicam stuff *working*

:-)

gary


  
Actually probably you could follow article even if you do not speak 
Serbian as the language is generic and there are only three important 
steps you need to do.


Step 1 Editing your /boot/loader.conf file with

atapicam_load=YES
hw.ata.ata_dma=1
hw.ata.atapi_dma=1

since FreeBSD is using atapicam device to write DVD


Step 2 Edit your /etc/devfs.conf with various permission. Most of those 
are needed for a work station anyway


perm  /dev/acd0   0666
perm  /dev/cd00666

# Commonly used by many ports
  
link  cd0 cdrom

link  cd0  dvd
link  cd0  rdvd

link  acd0 cdrom
link  acd0 dvd
link  acd0 rdvd

# Misc other devices

permcdrom   0666
permdvd 0666
permrdvd0666
permxpt00666
permpass0   0666


Step 3 Edit your /etc/fstab file if you want to use K3b as a normal user 
since the disk has to be mounted on the mount point which belong to you



[pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ more /etc/fstab
#These are my options
/dev/cd0 /usr/home/Pedja/mnt/cdrom cd9660   rw, noauto  0   0
/dev/acd0/usr/home/Pedja/mnt/cdrom cd9660   rw, noauto  0   0



You do not need HAL for things to work but is not going to heart.


Also read

make showinfo /usr/ports/sysutils/k3b

Best,
Predrag








  


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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-08 Thread Malcolm Kay
On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 07:33 am, Gary Kline wrote:
 
   Folks,
 
   IFF k3b works, and I think it might, I'll put up a howto
   on  my bsd virtual site.   Make this domain more useful.
   The help from this group has been outstanding, but getting things
   CD and DVD actually working has been a study in persseverancce.
 
I don't use k3b so what capability it has is not known to me.

   That said,  first,if there is a website for total dweebs, please
   post it; or send it privately.  I just bought some Memorex 
   DVD+RW ; I want to record a 117 minute commercial DVD.
   On the back on the DVDs is says these are only good for 60 minutes
   in great qualty; it is good up to 120 minutes, and so on.

The nominal capacity of the single sided DVD is 120 minutes but some 32 
different definitions are recognised including:
EP -- extended play - 360 minutes
LP -- long play - 240 minutes
SP -- standard play - 120 minutes
FINE - 60 minutes
But how are you getting your source? What definition is it in?

   Nutshell: how good will k3b and my Pioneer burner do on dubbing
   this professioally recorded disc?  

As I've already said I know little of k3b but you'll probably need some sort
of authoring/editing software and possibly another package for 
compression/definition 
conversion.

   Also, Does thw RW mean tthat  
   I can re-tape over this with another edu DVD?

Yes, it means that the total disk can be rewritten -- but the ability to
edit without rewriting all can be quite limited. And RW disks can have a 
rather limited rewrite life -- some 10s of times.
 
   gary
 
   PS:  I much prefer analogue cassettes; I've been taping stuff
since I taped American Bandstand off the TV :-)

EP or LP modes with 6 or 4 hour capacity would probably both cater for a 
better quality than your analogue cassettes.

 
 
 
 

Malcolm
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Re: copying DVD material :: somewhat OT.

2007-12-08 Thread Ian Smith
On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:18:25 -0700
 Predrag Punosevac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Gary Kline wrote:
  Folks,
  
  IFF k3b works, and I think it might, I'll put up a howto
  on  my bsd virtual site.   Make this domain more useful.
  The help from this group has been outstanding, but getting things
  CD and DVD actually working has been a study in persseverancce.
 [..]
  I wrote K3b how to 
  http://www.bsd-srbija.org/dokumentacija/doku.php/rezanje_cd_i_dvd_diskova_pomo%C4%87u_k3b
  but you will need little bit of Serbian language to read it.
  
  Actually probably you could follow article even if you do not speak 
  Serbian as the language is generic and there are only three important 
  steps you need to do.
  
  Step 1 Editing your /boot/loader.conf file with
  
  atapicam_load=YES
  hw.ata.ata_dma=1
  hw.ata.atapi_dma=1
  
  since FreeBSD is using atapicam device to write DVD
  
  
  Step 2 Edit your /etc/devfs.conf with various permission. Most of those 
  are needed for a work station anyway
  
  perm  /dev/acd0   0666
  perm  /dev/cd00666

I'm more comfortable with putting users in a group (operator, burner,
whatever) and setting perms to 660 .. but anyway ..

  # Commonly used by many ports
 
  link  cd0 cdrom
  link  cd0  dvd
  link  cd0  rdvd
  
  link  acd0 cdrom
  link  acd0 dvd
  link  acd0 rdvd

All good stuff, but just one point that Roland Smith picked up on in
another incarnation of this topic recently .. 'link' in devfs makes a
symlink in /dev, and you can't make two symlinks with the same name.

On my 5.5-S system I'd long had in devfs.conf:

  linkacd0cdrom
  linkcd0 cdrom

but ls -l /dev/cdrom shows

  lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  4 Nov 28 01:27 /dev/cdrom - acd0

so it seems the first link is made and any subsequent silently ignored
(or at least, I haven't spotted any console messages complaining of it)

  # Misc other devices
  
  permcdrom   0666
  permdvd 0666
  permrdvd0666
  permxpt00666
  permpass0   0666
  
  
  Step 3 Edit your /etc/fstab file if you want to use K3b as a normal user 
  since the disk has to be mounted on the mount point which belong to you
  
  
  [pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ more /etc/fstab
  #These are my options
  /dev/cd0 /usr/home/Pedja/mnt/cdrom cd9660   rw, noauto  0   0
  /dev/acd0/usr/home/Pedja/mnt/cdrom cd9660   rw, noauto  0   0
  
  
  
  You do not need HAL for things to work but is not going to heart.
  
  
  Also read
  
  make showinfo /usr/ports/sysutils/k3b

If I ever get a DVD writer and want to try k3b, I'll start here thanks.

Cheers, Ian

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