Re: issues in XFCE 4.6 (looking for a working WM)
snip xfce-4.6 is running here on a couple of machines, with none of those problems. Those actually sound more like xorg problems. I don't think it's XORG for a couple of reasons: * when I first updated xfce, it didn't update xorg, and it was all working fine under xfce4 4.4 * problems don't seem to exist under fluxbox or twm and a couple minor ones: * XFCE menu doesn't work Which one? In what way? I miss the menu editor... The main menu off of the panel, which has a default icon of the rodent over a blue X. By doesn't work, I mean when you click on it nothing happens. snip portdowngrade and some work can probably do it. If your problems are really xorg related, changing window manager won't help. Looked into portdowngrade, and I may look into that further at some point. At this point, fluxbox seems to be pretty cool, and seems to be working. Keith ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6 (looking for a working WM)
Try a smaller one, like evilwm. It's (pretty much) all command line. For example, you would open up a term and launch firefox from there (# firefox). Once you get the hang of its keybindings, which are vi-like, it's fun and easy. It's also compatible with aterm, which will give you transparent terminals (if that's something that interests you). Also, I highly recommend that you check out http://xwinman.org. I found it to be fun and informative to peruse the list of wm's there. Thanks for the link. http://xwinman.org is pretty cool. I'm currently playing with fluxbox, and that seems to be working pretty well. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6 (looking for a working WM)
At this point, I guess I'm looking for recommendations on a window manager. Here are the major problems with XFCE4 4.6: * 20% probability of starting X without crashing and locking computer * 20-25 minutes to start X (was about 1 under XFCE4 4.4) * 0% chance of shutting down successfully if X is running * can't exit X once started (switches monitor to power save mode and hangs) * maximum run time of 8 hours (average around 5 hours) * won't save settings and a couple minor ones: * XFCE menu doesn't work * missing icons, even after theme is changed from rodent to tango None of these were issues under XFCE4 4.4, but I'm guessing there's not a good way to get 4.4 back... What other window managers do people use, or what would you recommend and why? Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6 (looking for a working WM)
Keith Seyffarth wrote: At this point, I guess I'm looking for recommendations on a window manager. Here are the major problems with XFCE4 4.6: * 20% probability of starting X without crashing and locking computer * 20-25 minutes to start X (was about 1 under XFCE4 4.4) * 0% chance of shutting down successfully if X is running * can't exit X once started (switches monitor to power save mode and hangs) * maximum run time of 8 hours (average around 5 hours) * won't save settings and a couple minor ones: * XFCE menu doesn't work * missing icons, even after theme is changed from rodent to tango None of these were issues under XFCE4 4.4, but I'm guessing there's not a good way to get 4.4 back... What other window managers do people use, or what would you recommend and why? Thanks. ___ In 7.1 I installed the xfce mega package and it is version 4.4.2, It installed every thing xfce has available. It works fine for me. xfce 4.6 is very dirty and needs alot more work before it's usable. I had some of the same problems as you so i deleted it and returned to 4.4.2. also installed the Xorg mega package. First time startx takes about 30sec, after that it comes up in 5-10sec. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6 (looking for a working WM)
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Keith Seyffarth w...@weif.net wrote: At this point, I guess I'm looking for recommendations on a window manager. Try a smaller one, like evilwm. It's (pretty much) all command line. For example, you would open up a term and launch firefox from there (# firefox). Once you get the hang of its keybindings, which are vi-like, it's fun and easy. It's also compatible with aterm, which will give you transparent terminals (if that's something that interests you). Also, I highly recommend that you check out http://xwinman.org. I found it to be fun and informative to peruse the list of wm's there. Here are the major problems with XFCE4 4.6: * 20% probability of starting X without crashing and locking computer * 20-25 minutes to start X (was about 1 under XFCE4 4.4) * 0% chance of shutting down successfully if X is running * can't exit X once started (switches monitor to power save mode and hangs) * maximum run time of 8 hours (average around 5 hours) * won't save settings and a couple minor ones: * XFCE menu doesn't work * missing icons, even after theme is changed from rodent to tango None of these were issues under XFCE4 4.4, but I'm guessing there's not a good way to get 4.4 back... What other window managers do people use, or what would you recommend and why? Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6 (looking for a working WM)
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Keith Seyffarth wrote: At this point, I guess I'm looking for recommendations on a window manager. Here are the major problems with XFCE4 4.6: * 20% probability of starting X without crashing and locking computer * 20-25 minutes to start X (was about 1 under XFCE4 4.4) * 0% chance of shutting down successfully if X is running * can't exit X once started (switches monitor to power save mode and hangs) * maximum run time of 8 hours (average around 5 hours) * won't save settings xfce-4.6 is running here on a couple of machines, with none of those problems. Those actually sound more like xorg problems. and a couple minor ones: * XFCE menu doesn't work Which one? In what way? I miss the menu editor... * missing icons, even after theme is changed from rodent to tango Had to manually set the icons in the panel for xterm, mousepad, thunar, and firefox. I think I switched back to Rodent after not liking the Tango icons, but only GNOME and Tango show in Settings/Appearance/Icons. None of these were issues under XFCE4 4.4, but I'm guessing there's not a good way to get 4.4 back... portdowngrade and some work can probably do it. If your problems are really xorg related, changing window manager won't help. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6 (looking for a working WM)
Got X? You already got one ;-) http://81.174.174.115/twm/twmrc.htm ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6 (looking for a working WM)
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Keith Seyffarth w...@weif.net wrote: At this point, I guess I'm looking for recommendations on a window manager. The XFCE upgrade went smoothly for me, apart from missing icons, although I don't use it all that much so I may have missed something. At very least I'd do a portupgrade -a, preferably a portupgrade -fa. Running 6.0 isn't very sensible, there aren't all that many people using Freebsd as a desktop machine in the first place, and most of the people best suited to fix problems, or file detailed PRs will be on 7 or 8 by now. What other window managers do people use, or what would you recommend and why? I'd suggest kde3, it's very stable, and version updates are always simple. You don't have to install it all, if you don't want to. xfce is the lightest of the 3 main desktop environments, so the next down are the likes of windowmaker, fluxbox, icewm, and enlightenment. Personally I'd go with fluxbox out of these, but that's largely personal preference. I like the taskbar and system tray support, icewm is similar, but seems less sophisticated and isn't really functional out-of the-box. If you want a desktop environment on top of a window manager you can use the rox ports to get session management, icons on the desktop, and a file manager. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
Keith Seyffarth said the following on 2009-03-16 02:38: Sorry, should have had you do rmconfig-recursive first. There's a OK. I'll have to think about that. It is mostly working now, having added an xrandr line to the .xinitrc file to fix the resolution. What line was that? xrandr -s 1 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
That -k option to make is unnecessary and possibly bad. Stop using it for now. Well, it doesn't really sound like it is *good*, but I was just trying to get X to install again. Thanks for the warning, though. cd /usr/ports/x11/xorg make clean OK, it cleans everything make config-recursive (choose configuration for everything) Should there have been some kind of user interaction here? A series of questions? A screen with boxes to X for different options? What I got was: # make config-recursive === Setting user-specified options for xorg-7.4 and dependencies # It took about 5 minutes, but there was no prompt for input... make install Same problem. The syntax is a little different from make than from portinstall, but it's the same error. XORG can't install because XORG-drivers can't install because xf86-video-via can't install. Anyone have another suggestion? At this point, I need to get X installed so I can even consider a window manager. Instead of waiting for the ports to build, install the package: pkg_add -r xorg That's not working either: # pkg_add xorg pkg_add: can't stat package file 'xorg' # pkg_add -r xorg Error: FTP Unable to get ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6.0-release/Latest/xorg.tbz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) pkg_add: unable to fetch 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6.0-release/Latest/xorg.tbz' by URL Keith ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
xorg-drivers requires the drivers it has been configured to depend on, which does not necessarily include xf86-video-via. Go to the xorg-drivers port and do a 'make config' to change which drivers it will depend on. This did work to get XORG to install. Now I'm trying to get XFCE installed again, and see if I get better results. Thanks Erik. Keith ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
Well, I finally got XORG to install again, and then installed XFCE 4.6. Still no menus, and huge screen resolution. However, Ctl-Alt-[Keypad Minus] will zoom in on part of the desktop area, making text at least readable on screen. Any other suggestions on getting XFCE to have its menu again? Or on just manually a) launching the settings manager, or b) editing the settings manually? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
Keith Seyffarth wrote: Well, I finally got XORG to install again, and then installed XFCE 4.6. Still no menus, and huge screen resolution. However, Ctl-Alt-[Keypad Minus] will zoom in on part of the desktop area, making text at least readable on screen. Any other suggestions on getting XFCE to have its menu again? Or on just manually a) launching the settings manager, or b) editing the settings manually? You could try hitting ALT+F2 and typing xfce4-settings-manager or xfce4-settings-editor to run these. As for the screen resolution, I upgraded one more machine today and it went down to 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024. This was the only machine I had had in the past to adjust resolution by using XFCE's display applet. Every other machine would start directly at the correct resolution. In the previous XFCE version, the Display applet would correctly set this, but not in 4.6. Although the correct resolution was selectable, it just resulted to a blank screen. Finally, I used xrandr to adjust the resolution. This maybe of some help to you as well: Open an Xterm or Terminal and type: xrandr You should see a list of modes. Select the desired one from the list and count from the top, starting with zero. For example, to select the third resolution from the list, type: xrandr -s 2 If this works correctly, add xrandr -s 2 in your .xinitrc just before the exec startxfce4 part, so it starts every time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
You could try hitting ALT+F2 and typing xfce4-settings-manager or xfce4-settings-editor to run these. I was able to set some things this way, but some settings don't take (such as screen resolution). also, changing the theme to Tango didn't fix the missing icons (yes, icons-tango-0.8.1_1 and icons-tango-extras-0.1.0_1 are both installed) As for the screen resolution, I upgraded one more machine today and it went down to 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024. This was the only machine I had had in the past to adjust resolution by using XFCE's display applet. Every other machine would start directly at the correct resolution. In the previous XFCE version, the Display applet would correctly set this, but not in 4.6. Although the correct resolution was selectable, it just resulted to a blank screen. Finally, I used xrandr to adjust the resolution. This maybe of some help to you as well: Adding xrandr to the .xinitrc file seems to have the screen resolution and flicker fixed. One other thing, though, the exit button (from the panel) now only has the option to Quit, which is doesn't do. Fortunately, this is pretty easy to work around, just shutdown from an xterm. Keith ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009, Keith Seyffarth wrote: cd /usr/ports/x11/xorg make config-recursive (choose configuration for everything) Should there have been some kind of user interaction here? A series of questions? A screen with boxes to X for different options? What I got was: # make config-recursive === Setting user-specified options for xorg-7.4 and dependencies # It took about 5 minutes, but there was no prompt for input... Sorry, should have had you do rmconfig-recursive first. There's a bigger problem, though: Instead of waiting for the ports to build, install the package: pkg_add -r xorg That's not working either: # pkg_add xorg pkg_add: can't stat package file 'xorg' # pkg_add -r xorg Error: FTP Unable to get ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6.0-release/Latest/xorg.tbz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) pkg_add: unable to fetch 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6.0-release/Latest/xorg.tbz' by URL Are you running FreeBSD 6.0? I don't know if xorg-7.4 will work or even build with that. You may have to upgrade to 7.1-release or -stable before going on. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
Sorry, should have had you do rmconfig-recursive first. There's a OK. I'll have to think about that. It is mostly working now, having added an xrandr line to the .xinitrc file to fix the resolution. snip Are you running FreeBSD 6.0? I don't know if xorg-7.4 will work or even build with that. You may have to upgrade to 7.1-release or -stable before going on. Yeah, it's 6.0, but xorg was working just fine until Thursday when I upgraded from XFCE4 4.4 to 4.6; and it was reported from pkg_info as xorg 7.4 something. Keith S. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
I haven't been folowing this discussion but have you tried to delete the .config folder in your user's home and start xfce without it? that forces it to redo the config from scratch. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
Keith Seyffarth said the following on 2009-03-16 02:38: Sorry, should have had you do rmconfig-recursive first. There's a OK. I'll have to think about that. It is mostly working now, having added an xrandr line to the .xinitrc file to fix the resolution. What line was that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
I haven't been folowing this discussion but have you tried to delete the .config folder in your user's home and start xfce without it? that forces it to redo the config from scratch. I didn't actually try that, but at one point I did create a new user and that user has the same issues. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
Your problem is not xfce but xorg. It went through massive changes in 7.1 and it's now mandatory to have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf. You have to add Option AllowEmptyInput Off statement as last line in ServerLayout section. Doing console command Xorg -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf will build you one. By the way i used the package version of xfce4 on 7.1 and it's working just fine after i added the above xorg fixes. That line was already in xorg.conf (it was necessary to get a mouse to work after the last xorg update in January). However, I did not have it as the last line in the ServerLayout section. I moved it to the last line, but that didn't make a difference. There's still no XFCE menu, and without the ability to update the settings in XFCE, it's pretty much unusable... Keith ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
Keith Seyffarth wrote: Your problem is not xfce but xorg. It went through massive changes in 7.1 and it's now mandatory to have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf. You have to add Option AllowEmptyInput Off statement as last line in ServerLayout section. Doing console command Xorg -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf will build you one. By the way i used the package version of xfce4 on 7.1 and it's working just fine after i added the above xorg fixes. That line was already in xorg.conf (it was necessary to get a mouse to work after the last xorg update in January). However, I did not have it as the last line in the ServerLayout section. I moved it to the last line, but that didn't make a difference. There's still no XFCE menu, and without the ability to update the settings in XFCE, it's pretty much unusable... Keith As i said the packages worked for me. Blow away the xfce and xorg ports and do the xorg mega package and the xfce mega package. if that fails then bkup your user data and install a clean virgin version of 7.1 and the xorg and xfce packages. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
As i said the packages worked for me. Blow away the xfce and xorg ports and do the xorg mega package and the xfce mega package. if that fails then bkup your user data and install a clean virgin version of 7.1 and the xorg and xfce packages. Does anyone have an option other than blowing away XORG? I'd really rather not spend the next several days trying to get XORG installed again. Really, if there's just a command line way to get to the XFCE settings and change the resolution, it would probably be usable. I'm really not too concerned about broken icons. Keith S. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
As i said the packages worked for me. Blow away the xfce and xorg ports and do the xorg mega package and the xfce mega package. if that fails then bkup your user data and install a clean virgin version of 7.1 and the xorg and xfce packages. It looks like this was a step in the WRONG direction. Having removed XORG, it won't install. It appears that xorg requires xorg-drivers (understandable), and xorg-drivers requires xf86-video-via (OK), and xf86-video-via requires a PCI Video Card to be installed. make clean install -k in x11-drivers/xorg-drivers will make xorg-drivers install, but make clean install -k in x11/xorg won't install because xf86-video-via is ignored. Anyone have another suggestion? At this point, I need to get X installed so I can even consider a window manager. Keith S. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:43:53 -0600 (MDT), Keith Seyffarth w...@weif.net wrote: Anyone have another suggestion? At this point, I need to get X installed so I can even consider a window manager. What about using pkg_add for X and the other ports it depends on? Check if the binary packages are new enough because they may be dated some time behind the freshly updated ports tree. Usually, pkg_add -r will install all dependencies. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 03:43:53PM -0600, Keith Seyffarth wrote: As i said the packages worked for me. Blow away the xfce and xorg ports and do the xorg mega package and the xfce mega package. if that fails then bkup your user data and install a clean virgin version of 7.1 and the xorg and xfce packages. It looks like this was a step in the WRONG direction. Having removed XORG, it won't install. It appears that xorg requires xorg-drivers (understandable), and xorg-drivers requires xf86-video-via (OK), and xf86-video-via requires a PCI Video Card to be installed. xorg-drivers requires the drivers it has been configured to depend on, which does not necessarily include xf86-video-via. Go to the xorg-drivers port and do a 'make config' to change which drivers it will depend on. make clean install -k in x11-drivers/xorg-drivers will make xorg-drivers install, but make clean install -k in x11/xorg won't install because xf86-video-via is ignored. Anyone have another suggestion? At this point, I need to get X installed so I can even consider a window manager. Keith S. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009, Keith Seyffarth wrote: As i said the packages worked for me. Blow away the xfce and xorg ports and do the xorg mega package and the xfce mega package. if that fails then bkup your user data and install a clean virgin version of 7.1 and the xorg and xfce packages. It looks like this was a step in the WRONG direction. Having removed XORG, it won't install. It appears that xorg requires xorg-drivers (understandable), and xorg-drivers requires xf86-video-via (OK), and xf86-video-via requires a PCI Video Card to be installed. make clean install -k in x11-drivers/xorg-drivers will make xorg-drivers install, but make clean install -k in x11/xorg won't install because xf86-video-via is ignored. That -k option to make is unnecessary and possibly bad. Stop using it for now. cd /usr/ports/x11/xorg make clean make config-recursive (choose configuration for everything) make install Anyone have another suggestion? At this point, I need to get X installed so I can even consider a window manager. Instead of waiting for the ports to build, install the package: pkg_add -r xorg -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
Keith Seyffarth wrote: On freebsd 6.0, I upgraded XFCE from 4.4 to 4.6 last night. When I started X this morning, and went to follow these instructions from the UPDATING file: Make sure to switch as well to the Tango theme. To do this just open the Settings Manager and select Appearance. Inside the Appearance dialog switch to the Icons tab and select the Tango entry in the list on the left side of the Icons tab. I discovered that the menu from the panel does not work in 4.6. Is there something else I have to install or update (or reconfigure) to get this available? I also figure I may as well ask now, but in 4.4 there was not an option for Appearance in the Settings Manager. Should this have been installed in 4.6, or is there something else I need to install? I don't see anything that looks like an error in Xorg.0.log. Thanks, Keith S. Did you follow the rest of the instructions for xfce 4.6 in UPDATING? There are a few ports to deinstall, preferably before upgrading. A little problem with that: after having the ports tree updated I could not simply make deinstall them, as the old port directories were no longer present. I could use stg like pkg_delete, but in the end, I preferred using pkg_rmleaves and remove the entire xfce4.4 related ports (including the libs, mousepad, Thunar and a few add-ons) and just installed 4.6 afterwards. It all works fine. The following is a list of the xfce related ports (minus some extra add-ons) in my system. Check whether you are missing something: Thunar-1.0.0XFce 4 file manager gtk-xfce-engine-2.4.3 An XFCE engine for GTK 2.0 libexo-0.3.100 Terminal library, extensions to Xfce by os-cillation libxfce4gui-4.6.0 XFce 4 widget library required by xfce4 and xfwm4 libxfce4menu-4.6.0 XFce 4 library for a freedesktop.org compliant menu impleme libxfce4util-4.6.0 XFce 4 library with non-graphical helper functions mousepad-0.2.16 Simple xfce editor orage-4.6.0 A calendar application to manage your time with XFce 4 xfce-4.6.0 The meta-port for the XFce 4 desktop environment xfce4-appfinder-4.6.0 Find application in the system supporting Desktop entry for xfce4-conf-4.6.0XFce 4 configuration mananger xfce4-desktop-4.6.0_1 XFce 4 desktop background manager and root menu xfce4-mixer-4.6.0 XFce 4 volume mixer module for xfce4-panel xfce4-panel-4.6.0 XFce 4 panel module xfce4-print-4.6.0 XFce 4 graphical frontend for printing xfce4-session-4.6.0 Session manager for the Xfce 4 desktop environment xfce4-settings-4.6.0 XFce 4 settings application xfce4-utils-4.6.0 XFce 4 essential utilities and scripts xfce4-wm-4.6.0 XFce 4 window manager xfce4-wm-themes-4.6.0 XFce 4 window decoration themes for xfwm4 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
Manolis, Thanks for the quick reply. Did you follow the rest of the instructions for xfce 4.6 in UPDATING? There are a few ports to deinstall, preferably before upgrading. A little problem with that: after having the ports tree updated I could not simply make deinstall them, as the old port directories were no longer present. I could use stg like pkg_delete, but in the end, I preferred using pkg_rmleaves and remove the entire xfce4.4 related ports (including the libs, mousepad, Thunar and a few add-ons) and just installed 4.6 afterwards. It all works fine. I'll try that and see if it helps. I did pkg_delete the specified packages (I've never experienced make deinstall working. It always errors that the packages/ports are already installed and can't be uninstalled, and that I should try make deinstall... The following is a list of the xfce related ports (minus some extra add-ons) in my system. Check whether you are missing something: That looks like the same list I have. thanks for passing it on. Keith ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
The install for 4.6.0 is too complicated (hence error-prone). I'm sticking with my current version of xfce, which I like a lot. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
The install for 4.6.0 is too complicated (hence error-prone). I'm sticking with my current version of xfce, which I like a lot. That may well have been a better choice at this point... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
snip longer present. I could use stg like pkg_delete, but in the end, I preferred using pkg_rmleaves and remove the entire xfce4.4 related ports I wasn't able to find pkg_rmleaves, so I tried pkg_delete on all the related packages I could find. (including the libs, mousepad, Thunar and a few add-ons) and just installed 4.6 afterwards. It all works fine. after installing again, I'm still in the same boat. The screen resolution is too fine to make it usable, the menus are missing, and (as expected) many icons are missing. It looks like once you start down the (mislead?) path of upgrading to 4.6, there is no going back to a working version, so I need to get this one working. Since the XFCE menu is not supported in 4.6 yet, is there a file I can edit to get the screen resolution and refresh rate set correctly (important), and to switch the theme (much less important). Keith ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
Keith Seyffarth wrote: snip longer present. I could use stg like pkg_delete, but in the end, I preferred using pkg_rmleaves and remove the entire xfce4.4 related ports I wasn't able to find pkg_rmleaves, so I tried pkg_delete on all the related packages I could find. Well, pkg_rmleaves is a port itself. It's in ports-mgmt/pkg_rmleaves (including the libs, mousepad, Thunar and a few add-ons) and just installed 4.6 afterwards. It all works fine. after installing again, I'm still in the same boat. The screen resolution is too fine to make it usable, the menus are missing, and (as expected) many icons are missing. Please make sure these ports are installed: x11-themes/gtk-xfce-engine x11-themes/icons-tango-extras It looks like once you start down the (mislead?) path of upgrading to 4.6, there is no going back to a working version, so I need to get this one working. Since the XFCE menu is not supported in 4.6 yet, is there a file I can edit to get the screen resolution and refresh rate set correctly (important), and to switch the theme (much less important). Keith I am afraid I can do both in my install from the XFCE menu. (Settings = Display and Settings = Appearance) I don't know why you are not getting the menus. Could you try creating a new user account and see if it works? It could be something wrong in your dot files. I've got another system with XFCE that I will be upgrading tonight - I'll let you know if it works out differently. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
snip Please make sure these ports are installed: x11-themes/gtk-xfce-engine installed as: gtk-xfce-engine-2.6.0 An XFCE engine for GTK 2.0 x11-themes/icons-tango-extras installed as: icons-tango-extras-0.1.0_1 A extra set of icons from the Tango project snip I am afraid I can do both in my install from the XFCE menu. (Settings = Display and Settings = Appearance) I don't know why you are not getting the menus. I would guess that, as per the instructions provided, these are available from the menu. ust can't get the menu working... Could you try creating a new user account and see if it works? It could be something wrong in your dot files. New user gets a completely different interface. XFCE and components don't seem to launch, nor do they seem to be available. Not only is there no menu, there's no panel from which to launch the menu, and the panel won't start from the command line. I've got another system with XFCE that I will be upgrading tonight - I'll let you know if it works out differently. Let me know. It would be nice to have a usable computer again. It's rather frustrating that any time there is an update for something X-related, it seems that if you're going to make the upgrade, you need to be ready to have your computer unusable for 3-10 days... Keith ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
Keith Seyffarth wrote: New user gets a completely different interface. XFCE and components don't seem to launch, nor do they seem to be available. Not only is there no menu, there's no panel from which to launch the menu, and the panel won't start from the command line. Well, this leads me to believe you don't have an .xinitrc file in the new user's home directory Create an ~/.xinitrc with exec startxfce4 as the only content and try again. I've got another system with XFCE that I will be upgrading tonight - I'll let you know if it works out differently. Let me know. It would be nice to have a usable computer again. It's rather frustrating that any time there is an update for something X-related, it seems that if you're going to make the upgrade, you need to be ready to have your computer unusable for 3-10 days... Just completed the upgrade on the second one. This is running 7-STABLE amd64. I used the pkg_rmleaves method and removed xfce4.4 and its leaf ports. Compiling completed without problems. On first start some icons were indeed missing, but where fixed as soon as I selected the tango theme. I can send you a complete list of the ports that were built if you wish, but I think there is probably something else that's wrong in your installation. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
snip Well, this leads me to believe you don't have an .xinitrc file in the new user's home directory Create an ~/.xinitrc with exec startxfce4 OK, did that. as the only content and try again. The panel is there (and displayed icons on the desktop, weird). However, the menu doesn't work for that user either. snip Just completed the upgrade on the second one. This is running 7-STABLE I'm running 6. amd64. I used the pkg_rmleaves method and removed xfce4.4 and its leaf I'll try installing that from the port and removing again. ports. Compiling completed without problems. On first start some icons were indeed missing, but where fixed as soon as I selected the tango theme. I can send you a complete list of the ports that were built if you wish, but I think there is probably something else that's wrong in your installation. How did you install? I've tried portupgrade -R after deleting the specified packages), then deleting XFCE4 manually when that didn't work to install and left X crashing and then used make clean install then after manually deleting everything this morning I used portinstall -R making from the port directory and using portinstall seem to have gotten me to the same place... Keith ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
I went through pkg_rmleaves and deleted xfce and then everything it exposed, then re-installed using portinstall -R This installed 32 packages when I had only deleted 31, so something got installed that wasn't previously. Unfortunately, this still didn't fix the problems. The XFCE menu still isn't available, and the screen resolution is really horrible (did the developers assume everyone has a 30 monitor?) Anyway, what I really need is to know how to manually fix the configuration since access to settings isn't available through XFCE in 4.6 so I can make this usable until XFCE can be fixed. Unless someone else has another idea... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6
Keith Seyffarth wrote: I went through pkg_rmleaves and deleted xfce and then everything it exposed, then re-installed using portinstall -R This installed 32 packages when I had only deleted 31, so something got installed that wasn't previously. Unfortunately, this still didn't fix the problems. The XFCE menu still isn't available, and the screen resolution is really horrible (did the developers assume everyone has a 30 monitor?) Anyway, what I really need is to know how to manually fix the configuration since access to settings isn't available through XFCE in 4.6 so I can make this usable until XFCE can be fixed. Unless someone else has another idea... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Your problem is not xfce but xorg. It went through massive changes in 7.1 and it's now mandatory to have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf. You have to add Option AllowEmptyInput Off statement as last line in ServerLayout section. Doing console command Xorg -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf will build you one. By the way i used the package version of xfce4 on 7.1 and it's working just fine after i added the above xorg fixes. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
