Re: mouse wheel doesn't work

2007-07-20 Thread Zhang Weiwu
On Sat, 2007-07-21 at 01:42 +0200, Nikola Lecic wrote:

> Yes, this is more likely -- the trackpoint and external ps/2 mouse
> collide. 

Thank you for the information! Now I have made it work.

0) edit /etc/rc.d/moused, remove '-t {$mytype}' from moused parameter
list:
#/usr/sbin/moused ${myflags} -p ${myport} -t ${mytype} ${_pidarg}
/usr/sbin/moused ${myflags} -p ${myport} ${_pidarg}
1) enter DOS mode with a Windows 98 rescue disk
2) use the PS2.EXE form Lenovo, run 'ps2.exe tpoint autodisable';
3) reboot, enter FreeBSD, mouse wheel is working now.


It's important to do step 0 because moused can only forward wheel scroll
to X if it's invoked without "-t" parameter. I think there are two bugs:

Bug A:

As manual of moused says:
 For the PS/2 mouse:
 ps/2 This is the only protocol type available for the
  PS/2 mouse and should be specified for any PS/2
  mice, regardless of the brand.
In fact, it is wrong! If I invoke moused with -t ps/2, mouse
wheel doesn't work.

This doesn't work (according to manual it should): 
"moused -p /dev/psm0 -t ps/2"
In fact, only this works: "moused -p /dev/psm0", no "-t"
parameter.

This must be a bug. 100% of all users who read the manual should
directly conclude they should get equal or better result with -t
ps/2 than with no "-t" parameter for their ps/2 mouse, this is
wrong, they get better result without "-t" parameter.

Bug B:

As said in the manual, -t is an optional
parameter. /etc/rc.d/moused should respect this.

If user didn't specify -t, then it should not assume to use "-t
microsoft", it should launch moused without "-t" parameter. Even
if there is a good reason to assume the device is microsoft
type, this assume logic should be placed in moused source code.
Moused should be the one knowing how to handle different
situation automatically and fall-back sanely. The rc.d script
tries to do too much and think it's smarter then device driver
on deciding device type without even communicating to device at
all.

This is a user's point of view and welcome developer with
background knowledge to correct me.

Thanks again Nikola for helping me out!

Best Regards

Zhang Weiwu

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Re: mouse wheel doesn't work

2007-07-20 Thread Nikola Lecic
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:33:53 +0800
Zhang Weiwu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, 2007-07-21 at 01:42 +0200, Nikola Lecic wrote:
> > I think that then middle (wheel) click doesn't work; if it does,
> > then
> 
> The middle click does work! However there is no middle key on thinkpad
> track-point, thus it means at least some signal cannot be produced by
> track-point is delivered to FreeBSD.

In Ubuntu? Please don't forget that Linux and FreeBSD use the same
Xorg, there is nothing Linux-specific about it. What can be the
difference, however, is that Linux maybe uses tpctl -- please check if
it is so.

But even so, maybe some functionality (of the trackpoint for example)
must be sacrified in order to get the external wheel working.
 
> > just copy Ubuntu xorg.conf entry or check if trackpoint and external
> > ps/2 mouse use different /dev.
> 
> Unfortunately it seems in dmesg only psm0 is discovered. dmesg
> attached

dmesg is not here :)

> > Please read this page:
> > 
> >   http://salisburys.net/PetersNotes-TW.html
> >   (choose "External mouse wheels and wheel emulation...")
> 
> Very smart:)

Well, have you tried that? (And I fotgot to ask: does wheel-click in
FreeBSD produce an X event?)

> > and consider experimenting with this:
> > 
> >   http://tpctl.sourceforge.net
> >   
> > It doesn't seem ported, but they claim it runs on *BSD. Read the man
> > page, --setup-pointing-device* options could maybe solve the
> > problem.
> 
> compile failed with a lot of error messages.

Ah, welcome to the realm of truth! A part of the world (very bad for
them) is gnu/linux-centic. I can't test it at the moment since
sourceforge is currently down, but please note two things:

  (a) configure script often can't find where libraries are installed;
  please take a look at './configure --help' and provide the
  correct paths where necessary;

  (b) don't forget that make (BSD make) is not fully compatible with the
  syntax of GNU Makefiles, so in that case you have to explicitly
  run 'gmake' when compiling something out of ports.

(If you can't compile it, start a thread about it, people will jump in
to help. Maybe you might even consider porting that peace of software to
FreeBSD :))

> I'll try the good old PS2.EXE later on DOS.

As you see, tpctl provides the same functionality as PS2.EXE and is
very feature-rich (much more beyond wheel functionality). I checked,
your Thinkpad model is listed as fully supported.

Nikola Lečić
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Re: mouse wheel doesn't work

2007-07-20 Thread Zhang Weiwu
On Sat, 2007-07-21 at 01:42 +0200, Nikola Lecic wrote:
> I think that then middle (wheel) click doesn't work; if it does, then

The middle click does work! However there is no middle key on thinkpad
track-point, thus it means at least some signal cannot be produced by
track-point is delivered to FreeBSD.

> just copy Ubuntu xorg.conf entry or check if trackpoint and external
> ps/2 mouse use different /dev.

Unfortunately it seems in dmesg only psm0 is discovered. dmesg attached

> > Mouse section of xorg seems to be correct, and I think it's not useful
> > to tweak X configuration if moused cannot by itself detect mouse wheel
> > movement.
> > 
> > Section "InputDevice"
> > Identifier  "Mouse0"
> > Driver  "mouse"
> > Option  "Protocol" "auto"
> > Option  "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
> > Option  "Buttons" "5"
> > Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
> > EndSection
> 
> Generally, using two parallel mouse devices calls for two separate
> InputDevice mouse entries and for SendCoreEvents option.

Yes, if track-point and PS/2 have been discovered as two devices. 

> Please read this page:
> 
>   http://salisburys.net/PetersNotes-TW.html
>   (choose "External mouse wheels and wheel emulation...")

Very smart:)

> 
> and consider experimenting with this:
> 
>   http://tpctl.sourceforge.net
>   
> It doesn't seem ported, but they claim it runs on *BSD. Read the man
> page, --setup-pointing-device* options could maybe solve the problem.

compile failed with a lot of error messages. I'll try the good old
PS2.EXE later on DOS.

Thanks for all the info and help:)


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Re: mouse wheel doesn't work

2007-07-20 Thread Nikola Lecic
Hello,

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 05:02:49 +0800
Zhang Weiwu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear everyone on the list
> 
> On my xorg-6.9.0 installed on FreeBSD 6.2, USB mouse work just fine
> with mouse wheel; ps/2 mouse do not work. Nothing happens when
> scrolling mouse wheel.
> 
> As I have only one ps/2 mouse I cannot test if all ps/2 mice suffer
> from such problem or just this one, but I am sure this mouse works
> fine on Windows and Ubuntu Linux with wheel.

I think that then middle (wheel) click doesn't work; if it does, then
just copy Ubuntu xorg.conf entry or check if trackpoint and external
ps/2 mouse use different /dev.

> The box is thinkpad 380XD with an IBM red check-point on the keyboard,
> which as far as I know is also /dev/psm0, probably something on
> hardware level is done to merge signal of check-point and real ps/2
> mouse together, and mouse wheel movement might be dropped during this
> merge.

Yes, this is more likely -- the trackpoint and external ps/2 mouse
collide. 

> Mouse section of xorg seems to be correct, and I think it's not useful
> to tweak X configuration if moused cannot by itself detect mouse wheel
> movement.
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier  "Mouse0"
> Driver  "mouse"
> Option  "Protocol" "auto"
> Option  "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
> Option  "Buttons" "5"
> Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
> EndSection

Generally, using two parallel mouse devices calls for two separate
InputDevice mouse entries and for SendCoreEvents option.

> xmodmap also shows there is no re-mapping of mouse buttons. Again if
> moused isn't aware of scrolling, working on X level doesn't seem to be
> helpful.

Please read this page:

  http://salisburys.net/PetersNotes-TW.html
  (choose "External mouse wheels and wheel emulation...")

and consider experimenting with this:

  http://tpctl.sourceforge.net
  
It doesn't seem ported, but they claim it runs on *BSD. Read the man
page, --setup-pointing-device* options could maybe solve the problem.

(tpctl should be started _before_ X.)

Nikola Lečić
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