Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar

default, window frames and titles removed,

all screen available for ACTUAL USE.



All easily attainable in E17.  :)


put a config for E17 for those interested.

my .fvwm2rc, but it uses /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl with program menu. you may 
write it yourself or use my menugen program.


set with assumption that it's 1024x768 screen


WindowFont  -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2
MenuStyle white black white 
-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 fvwm
OpaqueMoveSize 100
EdgeScroll 5 5
EdgeResistance 1 1
DeskTopSize 2x2
#ImagePath /usr/pkg/share/fvwm2/images/:/usr/pkg/include/X11/pixmaps/:
Style * NoTitle, HintOverride, SmartPlacement, NoPPosition, BorderWidth 0, 
HandleWidth 0
Style Fvwm*Sticky, WindowListSkip

Read /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl

DestroyMenu StartMenu
AddToMenu StartMenu
+ FreeBSD Apps  Popup FreeBSD
+ Quit fvwm2Quit 
+ Restart Fvwm2	Restart



#AddToFunc Move-or-Raise M Move
#+ M Raise
#+ C Raise
#+ D Maximize 100 100

Mouse 1 I   A   Iconify False
Mouse 1 W   C   Maximize 100 100
Mouse 2 W   C   RaiseLower
Mouse 3 WI  C   Close
Mouse 1 W   4   Move
Mouse 2 WI  4   Iconify
Mouse 3 W   4   Resize
Key Right   A   4   Desk 1
Key LeftA   4   Desk -1
Key F1  A   4   Desk 0 0
Key F2  A   4   Desk 0 1
Key F3  A   4   Desk 0 2
Key F4  A   4   Desk 0 3
Key F5  A   4   Desk 0 4
Key F6  A   4   Desk 0 5
Key F7  A   4   Desk 0 6
Key F8  A   4   Desk 0 7
Key F9  A   4   Desk 0 8
Key F10 A   4   Desk 0 9
Key F11 A   4   Desk 0 10
Key F12 A   4   Desk 0 11
Key F1  A   C   Desk 0 21
Key F2  A   C   Desk 0 22
Key F3  A   C   Desk 0 23
Key F4  A   C   Desk 0 24
Key F5  A   C   Desk 0 25
Key F6  A   C   Desk 0 26
Key F7  A   C   Desk 0 27
Key F8  A   C   Desk 0 28
Key F9  A   C   Desk 0 29
Key F10 A   C   Desk 0 30
Key F11 A   C   Desk 0 31
Key F12 A   C   Desk 0 32
Key M   A   4   Menu StartMenu
Key MenuA   A   Menu StartMenu
Key X   A   4   Exec exec xterm -geometry 102x38+0+0 -ls
Key W   A   4   WindowList
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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar

web
browser works best with your recommendation?


evilwm on xorg with xfmail and opera and an .xinitrc of:

evilwm 
exec xsetroot -cursor_name ul_angle 
exec xset m 19/5 12 b 90 880 12 
exec swisswatch -geometry -0+0


the best watch using least space on screen is the one hanging on the wall 
:)




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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 12/03/07, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 web
 browser works best with your recommendation?

 evilwm on xorg with xfmail and opera and an .xinitrc of:

 evilwm 
 exec xsetroot -cursor_name ul_angle 
 exec xset m 19/5 12 b 90 880 12 
 exec swisswatch -geometry -0+0

the best watch using least space on screen is the one hanging on the wall
:)



Something needs to be the key process,
evilwm does not care to handle shutting
down X.  alt-tab to swisswatch, ctl-alt-esc
and X closes down rather more neatly than
ctl-alt-bkspc.

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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar
They're minimalistic and slick to use. If you should need to connect with a 
windows box there's Xming. Look in the archives!


what is Xming?

with grep -i xming /usr/ports/INDEX
nothing found

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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I have used XFCE 3.* on all my free BSD boxes for years. It is a Simple GUI 
which I use on any Desktops I build.  The video is clear and is simple.  ( 
XFCE4* I did not like the concept.) Emails etc all work and install easily 
from ports.


one of the best choices for those who want desktop. but is it needed at 
all?

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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Gerard Seibert
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:10:11 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have used XFCE 3.* on all my free BSD boxes for years. It is a
  Simple GUI which I use on any Desktops I build.  The video is clear
  and is simple.  ( XFCE4* I did not like the concept.) Emails etc
  all work and install easily from ports.

 one of the best choices for those who want desktop. but is it
 needed at all?

It is for someone who wants to work in that environment.

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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar

It is for someone who wants to work in that environment.



exactly, but it would be handy to define what desktop is.

could someone provide me a definition?

is X server alone a desktop? i think no.
is KDE a desktop? i think yes from what i heard.

is XFCE a desktop? i think too.

so is my X server+fvwm2 having no visible icons, windows, frames etc. (but 
having a menu under keypress) a desktop or not?


if yes - then we can define desktop as any software able to run graphics 
mode programs on graphics capable machine. like bash or csh for text 
mode.


if no - what part of say KDE make it a desktop?



i'm not trying to start any war, just want to hear a definition of so 
commonly used term today.

Wojtek
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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Roger Olofsson

Hello Wojciech,

...If you should need to connect with a Windows box...(to a FreeBSD 
machine running X).


A part of Xming is a remote desktop client for Windows. You will find 
more information at - http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming.


Good luck!



Wojciech Puchar skrev:
They're minimalistic and slick to use. If you should need to connect 
with a windows box there's Xming. Look in the archives!


what is Xming?

with grep -i xming /usr/ports/INDEX
nothing found




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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Gerard Seibert
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:28:15 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  It is for someone who wants to work in that environment.
 
 
 exactly, but it would be handy to define what desktop is.
 
 could someone provide me a definition?
 
 is X server alone a desktop? i think no.
 is KDE a desktop? i think yes from what i heard.
 
 is XFCE a desktop? i think too.
 
 so is my X server+fvwm2 having no visible icons, windows, frames etc.
 (but having a menu under keypress) a desktop or not?
 
 if yes - then we can define desktop as any software able to run
 graphics mode programs on graphics capable machine. like bash or csh
 for text mode.
 
 if no - what part of say KDE make it a desktop?
 
 
 
 i'm not trying to start any war, just want to hear a definition of so 
 commonly used term today.
   Wojtek

Before you ask so many questions, why don't you invest a little time in
RTFM, or perhaps STFW.

Check out this URL for starters:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html


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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Eric Schuele

On 03/12/2007 03:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

default, window frames and titles removed,

all screen available for ACTUAL USE.



All easily attainable in E17.  :)


put a config for E17 for those interested.


Unfortunately the config files are now in a binary format.  So to post 
them would be less than enlightening.  :P


However, it is certainly possible to have all windows borderless and 
full screen, each on their own desktop.  You can navigate desktops with 
keybd or mouse strokes.  You never have to touch a menu as you can 
launch apps via keybindings (do most other things as well.)


You should give it a try.  Its very fast and very lightweight.



my .fvwm2rc, but it uses /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl with program menu. you 
may write it yourself or use my menugen program.


set with assumption that it's 1024x768 screen


WindowFont-adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2
MenuStyle white black white 
-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 fvwm

OpaqueMoveSize 100
EdgeScroll 5 5
EdgeResistance 1 1
DeskTopSize 2x2
#ImagePath /usr/pkg/share/fvwm2/images/:/usr/pkg/include/X11/pixmaps/:
Style * NoTitle, HintOverride, SmartPlacement, NoPPosition, 
BorderWidth 0, HandleWidth 0

Style Fvwm*Sticky, WindowListSkip

Read /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl

DestroyMenu StartMenu
AddToMenu StartMenu
+ FreeBSD AppsPopup FreeBSD
+ Quit fvwm2Quit + Restart Fvwm2Restart


#AddToFunc Move-or-Raise M Move
#+ M Raise
#+ C Raise
#+ D Maximize 100 100

Mouse 1IAIconify False
Mouse 1 W   C   Maximize 100 100
Mouse 2WCRaiseLower
Mouse 3 WI  C  Close
Mouse 1W4Move
Mouse 2WI4Iconify
Mouse 3W4Resize
Key RightA4Desk 1
Key LeftA4Desk -1
Key F1A4Desk 0 0
Key F2A4Desk 0 1
Key F3A4Desk 0 2
Key F4A4Desk 0 3
Key F5A4Desk 0 4
Key F6A4Desk 0 5
Key F7A4Desk 0 6
Key F8A4Desk 0 7
Key F9A4Desk 0 8
Key F10A4Desk 0 9
Key F11A4Desk 0 10
Key F12A4Desk 0 11
Key F1ACDesk 0 21
Key F2ACDesk 0 22
Key F3ACDesk 0 23
Key F4ACDesk 0 24
Key F5ACDesk 0 25
Key F6ACDesk 0 26
Key F7ACDesk 0 27
Key F8ACDesk 0 28
Key F9ACDesk 0 29
Key F10ACDesk 0 30
Key F11ACDesk 0 31
Key F12ACDesk 0 32
Key MA4Menu StartMenu
Key MenuAAMenu StartMenu
Key XA4Exec exec xterm -geometry 102x38+0+0 -ls
Key WA4WindowList
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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Christian Walther

On 12/03/07, Eric Schuele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 03/12/2007 03:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 default, window frames and titles removed,


[...]


However, it is certainly possible to have all windows borderless and
full screen, each on their own desktop.  You can navigate desktops with
keybd or mouse strokes.  You never have to touch a menu as you can
launch apps via keybindings (do most other things as well.)

You should give it a try.  Its very fast and very lightweight.



Hm, sounds like installing ion3 would be an easier task.
ion3 is the WM of my choice, and it does exactly (or nearly) what you
describe, and some more. You can additionally set up different layouts
of your taste, for example with two columns or even more complex ones.
(I've a special layout for gimp where most windows fit into their own
frame.)
Never touch a window title bar anymore. No resizing, no moving around...

Simply brilliant. :)
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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar

the one i was looking for very long!

as i don't have windoze anywhere close now could you tell me if:

1) this X server can use font server or Xorg format fontsets (.pcf.gz or 
.pcf)


2) does it work with xdm on server (just for sure, as naturally it should)

3) what keybinding will be blocked because it's used by windows alone? can 
it be used fullscreen with just one or two key combinations reserved to 
minimizing/iconizing it's display in windows.



i tried cygwin's X server (mostly doesn't work) some time ago. i tried 
others, and only vnc works but it's not X server/client but bitmap 
differentiation. and vnc X server wasn't able to accept -fp right. at 
least when i tried. no polish fonts etc...

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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar


Check out this URL for starters:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html


A desktop environment can mean anything ranging from a simple window 
manager to a complete suite of desktop applications, such as KDE or GNOME.



can mean is very far from definition.

further reading shows that desktop is where data and applications can be 
placed.


i always though that data and application are on disk.

still no definition of desktop, but looks like desktop=ability to display 
icon symbols of files and programs (which are files too) and ability to 
provide panel for starting programs and doing some other maintenance.



do i say right?

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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar


You should give it a try.  Its very fast and very lightweight.


faster than fvwm2. so i will :)





my .fvwm2rc, but it uses /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl with program menu. you may 
write it yourself or use my menugen program.


set with assumption that it's 1024x768 screen


WindowFont-adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2
MenuStyle white black white 
-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 fvwm

OpaqueMoveSize 100
EdgeScroll 5 5
EdgeResistance 1 1
DeskTopSize 2x2
#ImagePath /usr/pkg/share/fvwm2/images/:/usr/pkg/include/X11/pixmaps/:
Style * NoTitle, HintOverride, SmartPlacement, NoPPosition, BorderWidth 
0, HandleWidth 0

Style Fvwm*Sticky, WindowListSkip

Read /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl

DestroyMenu StartMenu
AddToMenu StartMenu
+ FreeBSD AppsPopup FreeBSD
+ Quit fvwm2Quit + Restart Fvwm2Restart


#AddToFunc Move-or-Raise M Move
#+ M Raise
#+ C Raise
#+ D Maximize 100 100

Mouse 1IAIconify False
Mouse 1 W   C   Maximize 100 100
Mouse 2WCRaiseLower
Mouse 3 WI  C  Close
Mouse 1W4Move
Mouse 2WI4Iconify
Mouse 3W4Resize
Key RightA4Desk 1
Key LeftA4Desk -1
Key F1A4Desk 0 0
Key F2A4Desk 0 1
Key F3A4Desk 0 2
Key F4A4Desk 0 3
Key F5A4Desk 0 4
Key F6A4Desk 0 5
Key F7A4Desk 0 6
Key F8A4Desk 0 7
Key F9A4Desk 0 8
Key F10A4Desk 0 9
Key F11A4Desk 0 10
Key F12A4Desk 0 11
Key F1ACDesk 0 21
Key F2ACDesk 0 22
Key F3ACDesk 0 23
Key F4ACDesk 0 24
Key F5ACDesk 0 25
Key F6ACDesk 0 26
Key F7ACDesk 0 27
Key F8ACDesk 0 28
Key F9ACDesk 0 29
Key F10ACDesk 0 30
Key F11ACDesk 0 31
Key F12ACDesk 0 32
Key MA4Menu StartMenu
Key MenuAAMenu StartMenu
Key XA4Exec exec xterm -geometry 102x38+0+0 -ls
Key WA4WindowList
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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Hm, sounds like installing ion3 would be an easier task.
ion3 is the WM of my choice, and it does exactly (or nearly) what you
describe, and some more. You can additionally set up different layouts


i am always open for making my workplace more productive and easier to 
use. so i will have a try of E17 and ion3, while second looks like more 
designed to my needs.


i tried ratpoison but i was unable to do single-key switching to other 
desktops and manage well subwindows in some apps like gimp, which always 
needs multiple windows on one desktop.




PS. Because i don't get definition of desktop i used there and in other 
posts:


desktop is one complete full screen workspace.

be it text or graphics doesn't matter.

PS2. still waiting for precise desktop definition, because i think that 
this term is regularly misused.

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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Gerard Seibert
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:17:38 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  Check out this URL for starters:
 
  http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html
 
 A desktop environment can mean anything ranging from a simple
 window manager to a complete suite of desktop applications, such as
 KDE or GNOME.
 
 
 can mean is very far from definition.
 
 further reading shows that desktop is where data and applications
 can be placed.
 
 i always though that data and application are on disk.
 
 still no definition of desktop, but looks like desktop=ability to
 display icon symbols of files and programs (which are files too) and
 ability to provide panel for starting programs and doing some other
 maintenance.
 
 
 do i say right?

Every time I reply to one of your posts, you reply directly back to me.
That is incorrect. You should be directing your reply back to the
FreeBSD mail forum. Others might be in a position to assist you if they
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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Roger Olofsson

Hello Wojciech,

May I suggest that you redirect these questions to the Xming forum? The 
link to the forum is at - http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming.





Wojciech Puchar skrev:

the one i was looking for very long!

as i don't have windoze anywhere close now could you tell me if:

1) this X server can use font server or Xorg format fontsets (.pcf.gz or 
.pcf)


2) does it work with xdm on server (just for sure, as naturally it should)

3) what keybinding will be blocked because it's used by windows alone? 
can it be used fullscreen with just one or two key combinations 
reserved to minimizing/iconizing it's display in windows.



i tried cygwin's X server (mostly doesn't work) some time ago. i tried 
others, and only vnc works but it's not X server/client but bitmap 
differentiation. and vnc X server wasn't able to accept -fp right. at 
least when i tried. no polish fonts etc...




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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Christian Walther

On 12/03/07, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hm, sounds like installing ion3 would be an easier task.
 ion3 is the WM of my choice, and it does exactly (or nearly) what you
 describe, and some more. You can additionally set up different layouts

i am always open for making my workplace more productive and easier to
use. so i will have a try of E17 and ion3, while second looks like more
designed to my needs.

i tried ratpoison but i was unable to do single-key switching to other
desktops and manage well subwindows in some apps like gimp, which always
needs multiple windows on one desktop.



ion3 defaults configuration is a very basic one, so it might not look
that promising on the first glimpse. But since everything is
configurable, you can have your own shortcuts. IMO defining the right
short cuts is the hardest part, because chances are high that the WMs
shortcuts conflict with an application. I finally split Ctrl_R and
Meta_R from their original keys, binding them to Mod3 and Mod4 (both
where available on my machine).

I can send you my config if you like.
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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar


sorry for accidentally posting this publicly not just privately and 
polluting list

Hello Wojciech,

May I suggest that you redirect these questions to the Xming forum? The link 
to the forum is at - http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming.



.
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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread Parv
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
wrote Jonathan Horne thusly...

...
 so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the
 minimal desktop.
 
 id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id
 like to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional
 desktops.
 
 can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail
 reader and web browser works best with your recommendation?

I have been using FVWM 2 (-devel version) for quite a while. Tvtwm
is the emergency wm when/if fvwm upgrade goes berserk or has not
been installed yet.  The most interesting point is that windows are
almost in the same place|state -- given same page layout  -- whilst
switching between the two.  I think vtwm provides for more eye candy
than tvtwm.

I used Ion (pre-lua change) which did not disappoint; have not used
current Ion version due to laziness about learning lua just to
edit a configuration file.  It seemed most helpful in managing gimp
windows.

Opera is the web browser I use (over Firefox) mainly due the ease of
assiging|using key bindings similar to vi or mutt.

Mutt (-devel version) is the mail reader in xterm (unless I am in
hurry, then mutt works just fine on console too for fast reading).

Some of my configuration files ..

  http://www103.pair.com/parv/comp/unix/cf/
  http://www103.pair.com/parv/comp/unix/x/


  - Parv

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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 12/03/07, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
. . .

PS. Because i don't get definition of desktop i used there and in other
posts:

desktop is one complete full screen workspace.

be it text or graphics doesn't matter.

PS2. still waiting for precise desktop definition, because i think that
this term is regularly misused.


It is easily as nephanous a concept as Operating
System (which see:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=define%3A%22operating+system%22
)
(noting carefully that at least one of those items
is the canonical definition of a kernel)
(And more to the point, that virtually any explicitly
named item could be deleted, and probably has
been in some operating system somewhere).

A concise definition is not really possible for
desktop since it is not a technical nor scientific
term.  Unless you wish to define it dogmatically,
in which case:  good luck.

In the sense of common use, a desktop is not
more than a presentation of user applications.
http://www.gslis.utexas.edu/~vlibrary/glossary/#D

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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-12 Thread ajm
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 05:51:06PM -0400, Parv wrote:
 in message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 wrote Jonathan Horne thusly...
 
 ...
  so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the
  minimal desktop.
  
  id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id
  like to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional
  desktops.
  
  can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail
  reader and web browser works best with your recommendation?
 
 I have been using FVWM 2 (-devel version) for quite a while. Tvtwm
 is the emergency wm when/if fvwm upgrade goes berserk or has not
 been installed yet.  The most interesting point is that windows are
 almost in the same place|state -- given same page layout  -- whilst
 switching between the two.  I think vtwm provides for more eye candy
 than tvtwm.
 
 I used Ion (pre-lua change) which did not disappoint; have not used
 current Ion version due to laziness about learning lua just to
 edit a configuration file.  It seemed most helpful in managing gimp
 windows.
 
 Opera is the web browser I use (over Firefox) mainly due the ease of
 assiging|using key bindings similar to vi or mutt.
 
 Mutt (-devel version) is the mail reader in xterm (unless I am in
 hurry, then mutt works just fine on console too for fast reading).
 
 Some of my configuration files ..
 
   http://www103.pair.com/parv/comp/unix/cf/
   http://www103.pair.com/parv/comp/unix/x/
 
 
   - Parv
 

I use Opera and sometimes links for browsing.
My e-mails:  mutt, procmail, getmail, msmtp.
My environment is Fluxbox.  It's all about taste...try several, then 
decide what is best for you.

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FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386
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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-11 Thread Patrick Bowen

Jonathan Horne wrote:
ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember.  this week, im off from 
work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop.  so 
far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop.


id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try 
some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops.


can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web 
browser works best with your recommendation?


thanks,
jonathan
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Jonathan;

Take a look at WindowMaker, or BlackBox if you want to get real minimal. 
Both are excellent window managers (not desktops) and can be found in 
ports. Firefox, Thunderbird, and all the rest work just fine.


Patrick

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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-11 Thread Bill Moran
Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember.  this week, im off from 
 work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop.  so 
 far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop.
 
 id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try 
 some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops.
 
 can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web 
 browser works best with your recommendation?

I've been using xfce4 for quite a while.  I like it because it's got
everything I need, and not a lot of extra junk to get in my way (I
find KDE and GNOME bloated)

I use Sylpheed for mail and Firefox for web.

HTH

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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-11 Thread Sean Bryant

Jonathan Horne wrote:
ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember.  this week, im off from 
work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop.  so 
far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop.


id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try 
some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops.


can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web 
browser works best with your recommendation?


thanks,
jonathan
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Check out http://www.enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17/
It's in ports and its probably what you're looking for, fast, function 
and a fair bit of eyecandy.


I honestly opt for Opera because its fast, functional and it has all the 
functionality I want built right in.


As for mail, it seems Opera dropped the ball on IMAP support. It's 
utterly horrid in Opera 9. Because of this I go for thunderbird because 
it just works the way I want.

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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-11 Thread Paulette McGee

--- Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. 
 this week, im off from 
 work, and want to spend some time trying something
 new with my laptop.  so 
 far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up
 to the minimal desktop.
 
 id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or
 basically id like to try 
 some of the lesser known, but still just as
 functional desktops.
 
 can i get some recommendations, as well as what
 graphical mail reader and web 
 browser works best with your recommendation?
 
 thanks,
 jonathan
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Hello Jonathan,
Here are a few questions:
1) Are you looking for a Desktop Environment (DE)?
2) Are you looking for a Window Manager (WM)?

Here is a little blurb that describes the differences:
http://xwinman.org/intro.php

The above site also has a very comprehensive list of
both DE's and WM's.  Basically; decide if you want a
very integrated environment or something less
integrated .  

Personally; I prefer WM's over DE's.  From that point;
I select the applications that I want on my system. 
WM are basically very streamlined with few utilities
(if any).  Contrast that with Gnome or KDE; which come
with an array of support tools (IE: browsers, file
managers, printer configuration tools, system
utilities, et al).

In essence; it is a matter of choice.  My vote is for
Fluxbox (WM).

PS: Keep in mind that some lines blur with DE and WMs.
 In my humble opinion some WM have a DE feel to them. 
explore the above link and see what strikes a chord.

Regards,
Paulette McGee


 

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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-11 Thread NetOpsCenter

Patrick Bowen wrote:


Jonathan Horne wrote:

ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember.  this week, im off 
from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my 
laptop.  so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to 
the minimal desktop.


id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like 
to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops.


can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader 
and web browser works best with your recommendation?


thanks,
jonathan
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Jonathan;

Take a look at WindowMaker, or BlackBox if you want to get real 
minimal. Both are excellent window managers (not desktops) and can be 
found in ports. Firefox, Thunderbird, and all the rest work just fine.


Patrick

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Jonathan,

I have used XFCE 3.* on all my free BSD boxes for years. It is a Simple 
GUI which I use on any Desktops I build.  The video is clear and is 
simple.  ( XFCE4* I did not like the concept.) Emails etc all work and 
install easily from ports.



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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-11 Thread Wojciech Puchar

ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember.  this week, im off from
work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop.  so
far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop.


you should first define what desktop is. i use xorg+fvwm2 with much 
modified (cut down) configuration, having most of things attached to keys.



can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web
browser works best with your recommendation?


i use opera and links. for mail i use text-mode pine
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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-11 Thread Roger Olofsson

Hello Jonathan,

I had great help from this mailing list setting up wdm+fluxbox recently. 
They're minimalistic and slick to use. If you should need to connect 
with a windows box there's Xming. Look in the archives!


Good luck!



Jonathan Horne skrev:
ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember.  this week, im off from 
work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop.  so 
far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop.


id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try 
some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops.


can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web 
browser works best with your recommendation?


thanks,
jonathan
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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-11 Thread Eric Schuele

On 03/11/2007 13:28, Sean Bryant wrote:

Jonathan Horne wrote:
ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember.  this week, im off 
from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my 
laptop.  so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to 
the minimal desktop.


id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like 
to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops.


can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader 
and web browser works best with your recommendation?


thanks,
jonathan
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Check out http://www.enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17/
It's in ports and its probably what you're looking for, fast, function 
and a fair bit of eyecandy.


I'll second the E17!



I honestly opt for Opera because its fast, functional and it has all the 
functionality I want built right in.


As for mail, it seems Opera dropped the ball on IMAP support. It's 
utterly horrid in Opera 9. Because of this I go for thunderbird because 
it just works the way I want.

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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-11 Thread Wojciech Puchar

a fair bit of eyecandy.


I'll second the E17!



i like to get all icons, menus, frames and windows to minimum, as it 
doesn't improve productivity, while taking space of the screen.


as i found (at least with fvwm2) that minimum=ZERO i did this and use that 
config for over 3 years (with netbsd before switching to freebsd)


completely black desktop, 24 virtual consoles (keys Windows-F1 to F12, 
CTRL-F1 to F12 and Windows-arrows), x terminal with Windows-X, other 
programs with menu key 
and menu, all programs started full screen by default, window frames and 
titles removed,


all screen available for ACTUAL USE.



sometimes when i have to use windows machine, after few minutes of use i 
automatically press Windows-right arrow trying to switch console from that 
game and do something useful. unfortunately it doesn't work there ;)

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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-11 Thread Eric Schuele

On 03/11/2007 17:44, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

a fair bit of eyecandy.


I'll second the E17!



i like to get all icons, menus, frames and windows to minimum, as it 
doesn't improve productivity, while taking space of the screen.


as i found (at least with fvwm2) that minimum=ZERO i did this and use 
that config for over 3 years (with netbsd before switching to freebsd)


completely black desktop, 24 virtual consoles (keys Windows-F1 to F12, 
CTRL-F1 to F12 and Windows-arrows), x terminal with Windows-X, other 
programs with menu key and menu, all programs started full screen by 
default, window frames and titles removed,


all screen available for ACTUAL USE.



All easily attainable in E17.  :)




sometimes when i have to use windows machine, after few minutes of use i 
automatically press Windows-right arrow trying to switch console from 
that game and do something useful. unfortunately it doesn't work there ;)

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Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...

2007-03-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 11/03/07, Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember.  this week, im off from
work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop.  so
far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop.

id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try
some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops.

can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web
browser works best with your recommendation?


evilwm on xorg with xfmail and opera and an .xinitrc of:

evilwm 
exec xsetroot -cursor_name ul_angle 
exec xset m 19/5 12 b 90 880 12 
exec swisswatch -geometry -0+0

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