Re: ports on a CD
On Tuesday 23 September 2003 11:23 am, Andrew L. Gould wrote: > On Tuesday 23 September 2003 11:04 am, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > > --- Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On > > Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:59:30AM +0100, Tadimeti > > > > > Keshav wrote: > > > > Guys, > > > > Is it possible to get all of the ports on a CD > > > > > > set? > > > > > > > This is one area where Linux fares better. Debian > > > > offers a 7 CD (OK they don'y make ISOs) set that > > > > contains all packages. > > > > > > What are you really asking here? First you ask for > > > ports (but the > > > ports collection is on CD1), then you say debian > > > includes packages on > > > their CDs (so does FreeBSD). > > > > Well, remember that the ports collection is nothing > > but the skeleton that can connect to the internet and > > fetch the source files that you can compile. What I > > was asking for is the facility to have all the sources > > of all the ports on the CD. (SO you needn't connect to > > the internet to build your machine). > > > > > > I think the FreeBSD distribution would be better > > > > > > off > > > > > > > having all ports on the 2 additional CDs rather > > > > > > than > > > > > > > have packages. > > > > > > Now you say "ports rather than packages", when both > > > are shipped. > > > > > > Can you please clarify what you are asking? > > > > > > Kris > > > > Debian ships all DEB packages on the CDs. FreeBSD only > > bundles some packages. For example, JDK is a port > > while vim is a package. Would it not be better to cut > > down on several packages of large size and ship the CD > > with the sources needed to compile JDK etc. Hope U get > > the point. > > 1. JDK was not available as a package due to licensing restrictions. > License restrictions also require end users to download the source directly > from Sun. I **think** JDK 1.3 is now available as a package (having met > certain licensing restrictions); but if you want to compile from source, > you still need to download the source directly from Sun. I'll correct myself here. JDK/JRE 1.3* packages aren't available on the FreeBSD website. JDK/JRE 1.3.1 packages are available at: http://www.FreeBSDFoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml See the announcement at: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/press/20030825-java131.shtml > > 2. FreeBSD packages are available on CD's and DVD's from a couple of > sources: http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm > http://www.unixdvd.com/ > http://www.freebsd-services.com/ > > A longer list of FreeBSD vendors can be found at: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors.html > > 3. Everything mentioned in #2 above can be found **easily** via the > "Getting FreeBSD" link on the home page of the FreeBSD website. > > Best of luck, > > Andrew Gould ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: ports on a CD
On Tuesday 23 September 2003 11:04 am, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > --- Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On > Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:59:30AM +0100, Tadimeti > > > Keshav wrote: > > > Guys, > > > Is it possible to get all of the ports on a CD > > > > set? > > > > > This is one area where Linux fares better. Debian > > > offers a 7 CD (OK they don'y make ISOs) set that > > > contains all packages. > > > > What are you really asking here? First you ask for > > ports (but the > > ports collection is on CD1), then you say debian > > includes packages on > > their CDs (so does FreeBSD). > > Well, remember that the ports collection is nothing > but the skeleton that can connect to the internet and > fetch the source files that you can compile. What I > was asking for is the facility to have all the sources > of all the ports on the CD. (SO you needn't connect to > the internet to build your machine). > > > > I think the FreeBSD distribution would be better > > > > off > > > > > having all ports on the 2 additional CDs rather > > > > than > > > > > have packages. > > > > Now you say "ports rather than packages", when both > > are shipped. > > > > Can you please clarify what you are asking? > > > > Kris > > Debian ships all DEB packages on the CDs. FreeBSD only > bundles some packages. For example, JDK is a port > while vim is a package. Would it not be better to cut > down on several packages of large size and ship the CD > with the sources needed to compile JDK etc. Hope U get > the point. > 1. JDK was not available as a package due to licensing restrictions. License restrictions also require end users to download the source directly from Sun. I **think** JDK 1.3 is now available as a package (having met certain licensing restrictions); but if you want to compile from source, you still need to download the source directly from Sun. 2. FreeBSD packages are available on CD's and DVD's from a couple of sources: http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm http://www.unixdvd.com/ http://www.freebsd-services.com/ A longer list of FreeBSD vendors can be found at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors.html 3. Everything mentioned in #2 above can be found **easily** via the "Getting FreeBSD" link on the home page of the FreeBSD website. Best of luck, Andrew Gould ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: ports on a CD
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 05:04:59PM +0100, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > > What are you really asking here? First you ask for > > ports (but the > > ports collection is on CD1), then you say debian > > includes packages on > > their CDs (so does FreeBSD). > > > Well, remember that the ports collection is nothing > but the skeleton that can connect to the internet and > fetch the source files that you can compile. What I > was asking for is the facility to have all the sources > of all the ports on the CD. (SO you needn't connect to > the internet to build your machine). The full set of distfiles takes up 15GB, i.e. about 21 CDs. Is that really practical? ;-) See however the FreeBSD PowerPak sold by FreeBSDMall.com. > > > I think the FreeBSD distribution would be better > > off > > > having all ports on the 2 additional CDs rather > > than > > > have packages. > > > > Now you say "ports rather than packages", when both > > are shipped. > > > > Can you please clarify what you are asking? > > > > Kris > Debian ships all DEB packages on the CDs. I doubt it. > FreeBSD only > bundles some packages. For example, JDK is a port > while vim is a package. JDK may not be packaged due to the restrictive license on the software. The same is true for most of the other ports that are not packaged (other reasons include that the port is broken or forbidden because it contains a security vulnerability). Also, a full package set is about 5GB (for i386), which would take about 7 CDs. Again, not really practical. > Would it not be better to cut > down on several packages of large size and ship the CD > with the sources needed to compile JDK etc. No, because we would be sued by Sun. Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ports on a CD
--- Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:59:30AM +0100, Tadimeti > Keshav wrote: > > Guys, > > Is it possible to get all of the ports on a CD > set? > > This is one area where Linux fares better. Debian > > offers a 7 CD (OK they don'y make ISOs) set that > > contains all packages. > > What are you really asking here? First you ask for > ports (but the > ports collection is on CD1), then you say debian > includes packages on > their CDs (so does FreeBSD). > Well, remember that the ports collection is nothing but the skeleton that can connect to the internet and fetch the source files that you can compile. What I was asking for is the facility to have all the sources of all the ports on the CD. (SO you needn't connect to the internet to build your machine). > > I think the FreeBSD distribution would be better > off > > having all ports on the 2 additional CDs rather > than > > have packages. > > Now you say "ports rather than packages", when both > are shipped. > > Can you please clarify what you are asking? > > Kris Debian ships all DEB packages on the CDs. FreeBSD only bundles some packages. For example, JDK is a port while vim is a package. Would it not be better to cut down on several packages of large size and ship the CD with the sources needed to compile JDK etc. Hope U get the point. Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: ports on a CD
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:59:30AM +0100, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > Guys, > Is it possible to get all of the ports on a CD set? > This is one area where Linux fares better. Debian > offers a 7 CD (OK they don'y make ISOs) set that > contains all packages. http://www.freebsdservices.com/ It's on DVD, because there are far too many packages to be able to fit on a reasonable number of CDs. Unfortunately, I don't think Paul has any plans to produce any further versions for new releases due to not achieving sufficient sales. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: ports on a CD
> Sounds like a business opportunity. Make and sell > CD sets with the 'missing' ports. Every couple of > months, a new snapshot of the entire ports tree with > all of the legally-CD-able distfiles; for people who > don't have the (cheap) bandwidth to stay up to date > with cvsup... I believe that is what Tadimeti originally meant. If you get the seven Debian CDs, you can install and use a wide variety of different software, even if you have no or a slow/expensive connection to the 'net. With FreeBSD you get some packages, but if you want or need more than the minimum software, you depend on an online connection. If the same person also has a slow machine, then FreeBSD is not really suited for them. This has actually been one of my problems. I'm stuck in an area where the fastest connection speed is ISDN, and I pay for that by the minute (an average of fifty cents an hour, for one channel). Setting up a workstation with a decent selection of software, was more costly for me than if I had done the same with Debian. To me, this was a perfectly acceptable investment, but I can see why it would turn people off who haven't yet decided to go with FreeBSD and instead "shop for an OS" (it makes little difference if you purchase two or seven CDs if you get them for one or two dollars a piece). M. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: ports on a CD
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:59:30AM +0100, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > Guys, > Is it possible to get all of the ports on a CD set? > This is one area where Linux fares better. Debian > offers a 7 CD (OK they don'y make ISOs) set that > contains all packages. What are you really asking here? First you ask for ports (but the ports collection is on CD1), then you say debian includes packages on their CDs (so does FreeBSD). > I think the FreeBSD distribution would be better off > having all ports on the 2 additional CDs rather than > have packages. Now you say "ports rather than packages", when both are shipped. Can you please clarify what you are asking? Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ports on a CD
--On Tuesday, September 23, 2003 00:59:30 +0100 Tadimeti Keshav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is it possible to get all of the ports on a CD set? This is one area where Linux fares better. Debian offers a 7 CD (OK they don'y make ISOs) set that contains all packages. The short answer is "No". Some of the ports have licencing restrictions that prevent that. Now if you're just talking about the ports that may legally be included on the CD set; it's a space tradeoff. Adding more would mean more than 4 CDs in the set, which would raise the cost of producing them. Which would in turn raise the price to end-users. On the whole, I'd rather keep the current setup and see about putting more into a DVD based release... I think the FreeBSD distribution would be better off having all ports on the 2 additional CDs rather than have packages. For starters we get 5 window managers. We could easily do w/o KDE & GNOME and have JRE/JDK and OOo instead. You might; but others would take the opposite position. I suspect that if a vote were taken KDE and GNOME would get more votes than Java and OOo. And having packages makes the system install -MUCH- faster. You really don't want to make new users wait while the entire GNOME suite is compiled. There are already complaints that the installation process takes too long. I might just have to give up FreeBSD for the reason that downloading ports is turning out to be expensive. Sounds like a business opportunity. Make and sell CD sets with the 'missing' ports. Every couple of months, a new snapshot of the entire ports tree with all of the legally-CD-able distfiles; for people who don't have the (cheap) bandwidth to stay up to date with cvsup... -Pat ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
