Re: re bittorrent
In a message dated 11/9/04 1:10:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: don't believe in democracy but in this case it could come handy. Somebody could propose like: let's get this fuck off the list and we'd say ... well ... I say YES! wow, i think both name-calling and using 4 letter words is against the charter. Lets see if they only practice selective enforcement. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, i think both name-calling and using 4 letter words is against the charter. Lets see if they only practice selective enforcement. Is it too late to say it was just a passing curiosity and that if you boys can't play nice, then don't play at all?! Quinn ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:54:26 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, i think both name-calling and using 4 letter words is against the charter. Lets see if they only practice selective enforcement. Can someone please ban him (her?). They never seem to have anything constructive to say... ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
In a message dated 11/8/04 2:22:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lets do the math... you'll note that http://torrents.freebsd.org:8080/ at this moment says there's been 1978 completed downloads. Lets pick an arbitrary average size for each file downloaded: 388MB 388 * 1978 = 767.5GB 11/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:30PM: Now 11/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:00PM: Official availability of 5.3 27.5 Hours 767.5 / 27.5 = 27.9GB/h / 60 = 465MB/m / 60 = 7.75MB/s Your math doesnt include the tremendous overhead associated with the protocol Of course anyone with an ISP that has a bandwidth management device, bittorrent (a cancerous protocol which wastes others bandwdith in the process of possibly saving yours) will likely either not work well or be very slow. No reputable organization would promote bittorrant for getting a release. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course anyone with an ISP that has a bandwidth management device, bittorrent (a cancerous protocol which wastes others bandwdith in the process of possibly saving yours) will likely either not work well or be very slow. No reputable organization would promote bittorrant for getting a release. Surely you can elaborate? Bittorrent was explicitly designed for the very purpose it has been used with the FreeBSD ISOs (and other organizations are using it aswell, for example RedHat for Fedora Core, and it works very well.) -- Matthias Buelow; [EMAIL PROTECTED],informatik.uni-wuerzburg}.de ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 08:05:59AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No reputable organization would promote bittorrant for getting a release. This was the last straw for me. *PLONK* --Stijn -- Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or... two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this. -- Special Agent Dale Cooper, Twin Peaks ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
Its become widely used for sharing in the same way as Kazaa and other point to point as they're called protocols. Many ISPs block it, or at least substantially slow it down. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its become widely used for sharing in the same way as Kazaa and other point to point as they're called protocols. Many ISPs block it, or at least substantially slow it down. Well. Of course it can be abused for w4r3z aswell as used for legal purposes. If my ISP would block it or noticably slow it down, I would consider changing to a different ISP. And I think there's still a difference in quality compared to things like edonkey, which are used exclusively for illegal filesharing. -- Matthias Buelow; [EMAIL PROTECTED],informatik.uni-wuerzburg}.de ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
In a message dated 11/8/04 11:33:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Its become widely used for sharing in the same way as Kazaa and other point to point as they're called protocols. Many ISPs block it, or at least substantially slow it down. Well. Of course it can be abused for w4r3z aswell as used for legal purposes. If my ISP would block it or noticably slow it down, I would consider changing to a different ISP. And I think there's still a difference in quality compared to things like edonkey, which are used exclusively for illegal filesharing. Its not a legal/illegal issue. Its a using more bandwidth than you are paying for issue. Im sure if you were running bittorrent all day long your ISP would be very glad to see you go. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its not a legal/illegal issue. Its a using more bandwidth than you are paying for issue. Im sure if you were running bittorrent all day long your ISP would be very glad to see you go. I'm paying for a flatrate (ADSL) at home. I don't use the bandwidth most of the time, simply because I have no interest in leeching movies without end, but a lot of others do. In fact, the ISP has just upped the downstream from 768 to 1024 kbit/s at no extra cost. Many people I know have p2p-stuff running day and night. I mean, the company isn't giving you the bandwidth for altruistic reasons either, you pay them money for it. -- Matthias Buelow; [EMAIL PROTECTED],informatik.uni-wuerzburg}.de ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
In a message dated 11/8/04 1:23:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Its not a legal/illegal issue. Its a using more bandwidth than you are paying for issue. Im sure if you were running bittorrent all day long your ISP would be very glad to see you go. I'm paying for a flatrate (ADSL) at home. I don't use the bandwidth most of the time, simply because I have no interest in leeching movies without end, but a lot of others do. In fact, the ISP has just upped the downstream from 768 to 1024 kbit/s at no extra cost. Many people I know have p2p-stuff running day and night. I mean, the company isn't giving you the bandwidth for altruistic reasons either, you pay them money for it. This is a technical forum? Yikes! ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
This is a technical forum? Yikes! Is it, Mr./Ms. [EMAIL PROTECTED]? -- Matthias Buelow; [EMAIL PROTECTED],informatik.uni-wuerzburg}.de ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
In a message dated 11/8/04 4:59:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a technical forum? Yikes! Is it, Mr./Ms. [EMAIL PROTECTED]? Well then why don't you fill Mr. I pay my ISP so I should be able to use all the bandwidth I want how things really work, because I don't have the energy. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/8/04 4:59:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a technical forum? Yikes! Is it, Mr./Ms. [EMAIL PROTECTED]? Used to be Mr./Ms. [EMAIL PROTECTED]? and in a bit will be Mr./Ms. [EMAIL PROTECTED]? sigh It would be nice if TM452? could more or less refrain from trolling though, and perhaps gasp back one of the claims up. These posts used to be kind of amusing, but now they just clog up the list. Well then why don't you fill Mr. I pay my ISP so I should be able to use all the bandwidth I want how things really work, because I don't have the energy. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a technical forum? Yikes! Is it, Mr./Ms. [EMAIL PROTECTED]? I remember a man. His name was Don. He called himself Rev. And then one day, god truly spoke to the dear Rev, or maybe just the rest of us, and we stopped feeding the troll. and for a time, it was good. Time to fire up the wildcard function on the blacklister here. Thanks for the good times! ~j (yes, I know I just fed him too. what was it dad used to say? Do what I say, not what I do or something like that... haha.) -- Jonathan T. Sage Theatrical Lighting / Set Designer Professional Web Design He said he likes me, but he's not in-like with me.- Connie, King of the Hill [HTTP://www.JTSage.com] [HTTP://design.JTSage.com] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [See Headers for Contact Info] signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: re bittorrent
I don't believe in democracy but in this case it could come handy. Somebody could propose like: let's get this fuck off the list and we'd say ... well ... I say YES! ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
nbco wrote: Hey list, I downloaded the 5.3-RELEASE-i386-disc1 iso via bittorrent. The iso (644.91MB) downloaded in about 3 hours, over a 512/256 adsl connection. Which I think is pretty good. There don't seem to be that many people uploading it from me at the moment. I'm impressed, .nbco Why do you download with bittorrent as opposed to FTP? Quinn. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
Nice dude..well quinn the freebsd team is giving bitorrent a whirl! * nbco ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hey list, I downloaded the 5.3-RELEASE-i386-disc1 iso via bittorrent. The iso (644.91MB) downloaded in about 3 hours, over a 512/256 adsl connection. Which I think is pretty good. There don't seem to be that many people uploading it from me at the moment. I'm impressed, .nbco ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--==/\/\==--+ (__) FreeBSD | Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\\\'',) The |Kernel : ESCAFLOWNE | \/ \ ^Power | Web http://unixdaemon.org | .\._/_)To +--==\/\/==--+ Serve [ We've switched the bath sponge with a tribble. ] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
In the immortal words of Quinn Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Why do you download with bittorrent as opposed to FTP? Distributed sources, this way FTP servers don't get as hammered if parts of the download are coming from multiple sources. Cheers Tim -- Tim Aslat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spyderweb Consulting http://www.spyderweb.com.au Phone: +61 0401088479 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
On Monday 08 November 2004 00:28, Quinn Ellis wrote: nbco wrote: Hey list, I downloaded the 5.3-RELEASE-i386-disc1 iso via bittorrent. The iso (644.91MB) downloaded in about 3 hours, over a 512/256 adsl connection. Which I think is pretty good. There don't seem to be that many people uploading it from me at the moment. I'm impressed, .nbco Why do you download with bittorrent as opposed to FTP? Quinn. Hi there, Well, I suppose one of the main reasons is to keep pressure off the ftp servers: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-October/060205.html Also it's being released as a torrent on an experimental basis: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2004-November/042511.html The community were interested in it coming out this way too: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-November/063501.html .nbco ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
Quinn Ellis wrote: Why do you download with bittorrent as opposed to FTP? Lets do the math... you'll note that http://torrents.freebsd.org:8080/ at this moment says there's been 1978 completed downloads. Lets pick an arbitrary average size for each file downloaded: 388MB 388 * 1978 = 767.5GB 11/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:30PM: Now 11/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:00PM: Official availability of 5.3 27.5 Hours 767.5 / 27.5 = 27.9GB/h / 60 = 465MB/m / 60 = 7.75MB/s - All of this data and bandwidth above has been shifted off the servers and onto the downloaders. This saves freebsd and its primary mirrors money, this is why I chose to download freebsd via bittorrent and why I'm going keep my bittorrent client open for others. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
Nikolas Britton wrote: Quinn Ellis wrote: Why do you download with bittorrent as opposed to FTP? Lets do the math... you'll note that http://torrents.freebsd.org:8080/ at this moment says there's been 1978 completed downloads. Lets pick an arbitrary average size for each file downloaded: 388MB 388 * 1978 = 767.5GB 11/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:30PM: Now 11/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:00PM: Official availability of 5.3 27.5 Hours 767.5 / 27.5 = 27.9GB/h / 60 = 465MB/m / 60 = 7.75MB/s - All of this data and bandwidth above has been shifted off the servers and onto the downloaders. This saves freebsd and its primary mirrors money, this is why I chose to download freebsd via bittorrent and why I'm going keep my bittorrent client open for others. Also, to put this into terms of money, a fractional T3/DS3 line will cost around $7,000/Month. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re bittorrent
Nikolas Britton wrote: Nikolas Britton wrote: Quinn Ellis wrote: Why do you download with bittorrent as opposed to FTP? Lets do the math... you'll note that http://torrents.freebsd.org:8080/ at this moment says there's been 1978 completed downloads. Lets pick an arbitrary average size for each file downloaded: 388MB 388 * 1978 = 767.5GB 11/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:30PM: Now 11/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:00PM: Official availability of 5.3 27.5 Hours 767.5 / 27.5 = 27.9GB/h / 60 = 465MB/m / 60 = 7.75MB/s - All of this data and bandwidth above has been shifted off the servers and onto the downloaders. This saves freebsd and its primary mirrors money, this is why I chose to download freebsd via bittorrent and why I'm going keep my bittorrent client open for others. Also, to put this into terms of money, a fractional T3/DS3 line will cost around $7,000/Month. Sorry, I fudged my terms up (MegaByte, Megabit) 7.75MB/s = 62Mb/s That means you'd need a OC2 line (104Mb/s) and this is around $27,000/Month. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: re bittorrent
Not to mention, if there are enough clients hosting, then downloads can often be faster. Why? Because partial downloads can be pulled from multiple sources. I just downloaded the miniinst iso in under 15min at an average rate of about 360KB/s from a pool of 10 servents (bittorrent server/clients). The only way I could get it that fast with FTP is if I used getright or someother ftp client that allows for splitting a download across multiple FTP servers. Now of course the real benefit comes just after a release when everyone and their uncle is downloading a copy and the FTP servers are extra busy. When things slow down a bit it's not as big a benefit. Joe Fry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Why do you download with bittorrent as opposed to FTP? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
