Re: rebooting and crashes on dell server
I had a very similar experience with a Dell PowerEdge 2800 recently, not even 3 weeks have elapsed! The problem, as we realized from some Dell engineer, was with the firmware on the mobo of this model. I was running FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE on the box. I bought HP ML350, migrated the whole setup to it and no problems even as I speak now! I am still waiting for a replacement motherboard from Dell (local vendor) for the 2800. There is a Dell 2850 that I setup as a server for a client, using FreeBSD 5.2.1. It's been running rock solid, and the only update I ever did was to update it to 5.2.1-patch14, which it will never go beyond, as I see no need. So, the moral of the story? Put the Dell aside, get a good HP and sit easy. * On 28/02/06 21:44 -0800, BSD Guy wrote: | Theres alot to this problem, but I'll try to be | concise so I don't loose people. I started out with a | cheap dell server running scsi raid and 5.x It | crashed or locked up with a kernel panic in a | different process (everything, syslog, you name it) | ever few days. I swapped ram around figuring it was | at fault since it was bought used on ebay. Still no | luck. | | Tired of messing with it, I bought a new dell | poweredge 2650, with scsi raid, a couple gigs of ram, | duals, and just a new system, configured it, copied | user data over and switched to it. Sure enough still | the worst stability I've ever seen. It has dual power | supplies, each in a different UPS. I don't believe | power is the problem or I'd see similar problems on | the other server or router I have plugged in there. I | even upgraded to 6.0-Release-p1 but no luck. | | It panics from time to time, but usually now it just | randomly reboots. Often at least every 36 hours. | Often 2-3 times a few minutes apart when it does. I | did install a debug kernel 2 weeks ago to try to get a | crash dump, but no panic's since then. | | My make.conf is pretty simple: | KERNCONF=crapbox | CPUTYPE?=p4 | CFLAGS= -O -pipe | NO_BLUETOOTH= true# do not build Bluetooth | related stuff | NO_I4B= true# do not build isdn4bsd package | NO_LPR= true# do not build lpr and related | programs | NO_GAMES=true# do not build games (games/ | subdir) | MAKE_IDEA= YES # IDEA (128 bit symmetric | encryption) | # added by use.perl 2005-09-29 11:26:41 | PERL_VER=5.8.7 | PERL_VERSION=5.8.7 | | Its not all that stressed of a box: | load averages: 0.14, 0.07, 0.06 | Mem: 235M Active, 367M Inact, 160M Wired, 33M Cache, | 99M Buf, 81M Free | Swap: 1024M Total, 1024M Free | | I've tweaked all the kernel values mentioned in the | tuneable section of the manual, but the reboots | continue. The box runs radiator (a perl based radius | server), apache+mod_ssl-1.3.x with php5, postfix-2.2, | amavisd-new-2.3, courier-imap-4.0, pure-ftp, nrpe | (nagios), net-snmp, ssh, and bind 9.3.1 all from ports | (except radiator). | | I run the same mail server setup on another server | with no problem, although it processes far less mail. | I use radiator on another server with no problem. | This is a unique combination of packages I'm running, | but no unique programs or configurations to this | server. Between amavis and radiator it does alot of | perl, and everything is a mysql lookup to another | server. While all logic and experience points to a | hardware problem I feel like the complete hardware | replacement has pretty much laid the blame on | software. | | I'm open to any suggestion as to what I might need to | look at to clear this up. I'm about to have a nervous | breakdown and insteall debian in desperation heh. I've | tried a kernel without smp, I've tried disabling acpi | on boot. If you need any more information feel free | to ask for it, I'll happily provide it. | Thanks! | | __ | Do You Yahoo!? | Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around | http://mail.yahoo.com | ___ | freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list | http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions | To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Wash http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html DISCLAIMER: See http://www.wananchi.com/bms/terms.php -- +==+ |\ _,,,---,,_ | Odhiambo Washington[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_ | Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'| Tel: +254 20 313985-9 +254 20 313922 '---''(_/--' `-'\_) | GSM: +254 722 743223 +254 733 744121 +==+ ... I'm IMAGINING a sensuous GIRAFFE, CAVORTING in the BACK ROOM of a KOSHER DELI!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: rebooting and crashes on dell server
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of robert Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 3:59 AM To: BSD Guy Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rebooting and crashes on dell server For what it's worth, I have a PowerEdge 1650 - twin cpu's 1 Gbyte redundant psu's twin 36GByte Scsi disks (software raid) etc which is steady as a rock running 6.0 P4. The only problem is the fan noise! did you at least tell Dell sales this? If they knew that there was a market out there for FreeBSD they might start supporting it, they won't know this if nobody tells them. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rebooting and crashes on dell server
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: You need to load an OS supported by Dell - ie: Windows - on this system first and run some stress-testers on it and see if it locks up. If it does not then try Linux and if that works, you either use Linux or call Dell and tell them to make it work with FreeBSD or your going to return the server to Dell. You have 30 days from date of purchase to do this per UCC. Tired of messing with it, I bought a new dell poweredge 2650, with scsi raid, a couple gigs of ram, duals, and just a new system, configured it, copied user data over and switched to it. Sure enough still the worst stability I've ever seen. It has dual power supplies, each in a different UPS. I don't believe power is the problem or I'd see similar problems on the other server or router I have plugged in there. I even upgraded to 6.0-Release-p1 but no luck. Well, we run some 2850's which may or may not be similar and they run fine. Random reboots sounds like hardware. Our Dell's came with bootable diagnostics on the first disk slice (F1 at boot time) so if you didn't scrub them I would suggest booting them. If you did scrub them then I would call Dell, but as Ted says, they may bitch and moan that they don't support FreeBSD. --Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rebooting and crashes on dell server
On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 11:38 +, Alex Zbyslaw wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: You need to load an OS supported by Dell - ie: Windows - on this system first and run some stress-testers on it and see if it locks up. If it does not then try Linux and if that works, you either use Linux or call Dell and tell them to make it work with FreeBSD or your going to return the server to Dell. You have 30 days from date of purchase to do this per UCC. Tired of messing with it, I bought a new dell poweredge 2650, with scsi raid, a couple gigs of ram, duals, and just a new system, configured it, copied user data over and switched to it. Sure enough still the worst stability I've ever seen. It has dual power supplies, each in a different UPS. I don't believe power is the problem or I'd see similar problems on the other server or router I have plugged in there. I even upgraded to 6.0-Release-p1 but no luck. Well, we run some 2850's which may or may not be similar and they run fine. Random reboots sounds like hardware. Our Dell's came with bootable diagnostics on the first disk slice (F1 at boot time) so if you didn't scrub them I would suggest booting them. If you did scrub them then I would call Dell, but as Ted says, they may bitch and moan that they don't support FreeBSD. --Alex For what it's worth, I have a PowerEdge 1650 - twin cpu's 1 Gbyte redundant psu's twin 36GByte Scsi disks (software raid) etc which is steady as a rock running 6.0 P4. The only problem is the fan noise! Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rebooting and crashes on dell server
BSD Guy wrote: Theres alot to this problem, but I'll try to be concise so I don't loose people. I started out with a cheap dell server running scsi raid and 5.x It crashed or locked up with a kernel panic in a different process (everything, syslog, you name it) ever few days. I swapped ram around figuring it was at fault since it was bought used on ebay. Still no luck. Tired of messing with it, I bought a new dell poweredge 2650, with scsi raid, a couple gigs of ram, duals, and just a new system, configured it, copied user data over and switched to it. Sure enough still the worst stability I've ever seen. It has dual power supplies, each in a different UPS. I don't believe power is the problem or I'd see similar problems on the other server or router I have plugged in there. I even upgraded to 6.0-Release-p1 but no luck. It panics from time to time, but usually now it just randomly reboots. Often at least every 36 hours. Often 2-3 times a few minutes apart when it does. I did install a debug kernel 2 weeks ago to try to get a crash dump, but no panic's since then. [snip] Been running FreeBSD on Dell 2650's for a long, long time now and never had a single hardware issue that was specific to FreeBSD. Early firmware versions for this model had issues, but you say yours is brand new... Got a DRAC card? Tried disabling it? We don't use them here but I have noticed frequent list chatter about how to use these with FreeBSD (and how not to have problems with them). See the archives. I definitely agree with the suggestion to pound on the system with Dell's native diagnostics software; this'll be among the first things you're asked to do if you call them for support. If you've blown away their diagnostics partition, you should still be able to go to support.dell.com and download a bootable ISO of them. Barring that, a plain old http://www.memtest86.com/ test may help. -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) gregb at scls.lib.wi.us, (608) 266-6348 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: rebooting and crashes on dell server
I run software packages like this on many boxes without trouble. In any case, getting a user-mode program to make the system randomly reboot is rather difficult even for the crackers that are trying to do it. And your going to have log messages and such indicating what the problem is. You need to load an OS supported by Dell - ie: Windows - on this system first and run some stress-testers on it and see if it locks up. If it does not then try Linux and if that works, you either use Linux or call Dell and tell them to make it work with FreeBSD or your going to return the server to Dell. You have 30 days from date of purchase to do this per UCC. This should serve as a learning experience for you. In the future do not buy server hardware that was not designed for the software you want to run. That is Information Technology 101. There are many people that build and sell servers they guarentee with FreeBSD, and even HP tests their server products with FreeBSD, you can see that on the website: http://www.testdrive.hp.com, Hell they even have the Beastie logo on the front page. I challenge you to find Beastie on any server that Dell as any control over. Dell doesen't even have a FreeBSD forum on their support page. As far as they are concerned it's Windows or Linux. When you buy new server hardware from Dell you are rewarding Dell for ignoring FreeBSD and you are punishing HP who is supporting FreeBSD. That is pretty stupid if you want to support FreeBSD and a slap in the face to the FreeBSD community. It is one thing to buy old crappy Dell gear and try to get it to run, but brand new gear? What were you thinking? Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of BSD Guy Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:45 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: rebooting and crashes on dell server Theres alot to this problem, but I'll try to be concise so I don't loose people. I started out with a cheap dell server running scsi raid and 5.x It crashed or locked up with a kernel panic in a different process (everything, syslog, you name it) ever few days. I swapped ram around figuring it was at fault since it was bought used on ebay. Still no luck. Tired of messing with it, I bought a new dell poweredge 2650, with scsi raid, a couple gigs of ram, duals, and just a new system, configured it, copied user data over and switched to it. Sure enough still the worst stability I've ever seen. It has dual power supplies, each in a different UPS. I don't believe power is the problem or I'd see similar problems on the other server or router I have plugged in there. I even upgraded to 6.0-Release-p1 but no luck. It panics from time to time, but usually now it just randomly reboots. Often at least every 36 hours. Often 2-3 times a few minutes apart when it does. I did install a debug kernel 2 weeks ago to try to get a crash dump, but no panic's since then. My make.conf is pretty simple: KERNCONF=crapbox CPUTYPE?=p4 CFLAGS= -O -pipe NO_BLUETOOTH= true# do not build Bluetooth related stuff NO_I4B= true# do not build isdn4bsd package NO_LPR= true# do not build lpr and related programs NO_GAMES=true# do not build games (games/ subdir) MAKE_IDEA= YES # IDEA (128 bit symmetric encryption) # added by use.perl 2005-09-29 11:26:41 PERL_VER=5.8.7 PERL_VERSION=5.8.7 Its not all that stressed of a box: load averages: 0.14, 0.07, 0.06 Mem: 235M Active, 367M Inact, 160M Wired, 33M Cache, 99M Buf, 81M Free Swap: 1024M Total, 1024M Free I've tweaked all the kernel values mentioned in the tuneable section of the manual, but the reboots continue. The box runs radiator (a perl based radius server), apache+mod_ssl-1.3.x with php5, postfix-2.2, amavisd-new-2.3, courier-imap-4.0, pure-ftp, nrpe (nagios), net-snmp, ssh, and bind 9.3.1 all from ports (except radiator). I run the same mail server setup on another server with no problem, although it processes far less mail. I use radiator on another server with no problem. This is a unique combination of packages I'm running, but no unique programs or configurations to this server. Between amavis and radiator it does alot of perl, and everything is a mysql lookup to another server. While all logic and experience points to a hardware problem I feel like the complete hardware replacement has pretty much laid the blame on software. I'm open to any suggestion as to what I might need to look at to clear this up. I'm about to have a nervous breakdown and insteall debian in desperation heh. I've tried a kernel without smp, I've tried disabling acpi on boot. If you need any more information feel free to ask for it, I'll happily provide it. Thanks! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
