Re: ripping enhanced audio CDs
Mac Newbold wrote: Today at 2:55pm, Mikhail Goriachev said: Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD HARDWARE ERROR asc=0x08 ascq=0x01 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:22 mybox last message repeated 11 times This is an anti-piracy feature included on some discs. Nowadays there are more and more protected discs around. Some of them even crash computers when loading. How silly is that? Programs like CloneCD can handle such things on Windows boxes. That is what I use after having long frustrated sessions with open-source tools. I am pretty sure this isn't an anti-piracy feature. It happens to me with _any_ enhanced CD (audio+data mixed CD), and _only_ on enhanced CDs. Never has it happened to me on any non-enhanced audio CD. My problem is not with the inability to get the data off, that doesn't seem to be a real issue. The problem is with the crashing of the computer. Why should _any_ data read from a removable disk of any kind be causing FreeBSD to crash by the mere act of attempting to read it from the disk? The device is reporting a failure, but why isn't the OS handling that failure gracefully? If I'm asking the wrong list, and should be asking [EMAIL PROTECTED] or some list related to multimedia, please let me know. The following contains a very short and good explanation on audio disc protections: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copy_protection#Copy_protection_for_audio_CDs Also, I did not specifically mention FreeBSD or any other OSes. I just merely said some of them (discs) even crash computers. Not only FreeBSDs are out there. For example, my Mac won't accept Linkin Park's Meteora, Jack Johnson's On and On or Missy Elliot's This is not a Test. They get spat out right away. I tried to extract tracks off those discs on FreeBSD but I get the very same errors you get. My car's player goes nuts trying to play Korn's Greatest Hits Vol.1 last track. Years ago, every time I wanted to put something onto my MD player I had to duplicate the disc on Windows first and then put it through Sony's patented/protected/secure software. Otherwise it would just freeze on last tracks (note: some enhanced discs, not all of them). Also, as Fabian said, by copying you even get better discs. I agree. I duplicate all problematic discs so my Mac will accept them as well as my car's player. In short, everything depends on your hardware, software and media you're trying to copy. The protection mainly is based on errors and faults on a disc that try to confuse your CD drive and not your CD player. This is where software comes into play and saves the day. Your results may vary. Cheers, Mikhail. -- Mikhail Goriachev Webanoide Telephone: +61 (0)3 62252501 Mobile Phone: +61 (0)4 38255158 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.webanoide.org PGP Key ID: 0x4E148A3B PGP Key Fingerprint: D96B 7C14 79A5 8824 B99D 9562 F50E 2F5D 4E14 8A3B ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ripping enhanced audio CDs
Yesterday at 4:23pm, Mac Newbold said: Today at 2:55pm, Mikhail Goriachev said: Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD HARDWARE ERROR asc=0x08 ascq=0x01 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:22 mybox last message repeated 11 times I am pretty sure this isn't an anti-piracy feature. It happens to me with _any_ enhanced CD (audio+data mixed CD), and _only_ on enhanced CDs. Never has it happened to me on any non-enhanced audio CD. My problem is not with the inability to get the data off, that doesn't seem to be a real issue. The problem is with the crashing of the computer. Why should _any_ data read from a removable disk of any kind be causing FreeBSD to crash by the mere act of attempting to read it from the disk? The device is reporting a failure, but why isn't the OS handling that failure gracefully? If I'm asking the wrong list, and should be asking [EMAIL PROTECTED] or some list related to multimedia, please let me know. Thanks to everyone who has contributed answers to this thread. (BTW, it is helpful if you keep me cc'd in your replies, since I'm not on the list itself and only see responses when I go check the archive.) To answer some of the questions that came up: 1. It never happens on any plain/normal/non-enhanced audio CD I've tried, which I'm quite sure might include some that are copy protected or have some kind of DRM in place. 2. None of them have said anything about being non-functional or limited with certain computer players or operating systems that I have noticed. If we can, I'd like to take this discussion in a slightly different direction. Let's change our thinking by making the following assumptions: A. It is not a DRM or copy protection scheme causing the errors. B. Since it happens on every enhanced CD (i.e. one containing audio tracks and a data track meant to be read on a computer) that I've been able to try, but not on any non-enhanced CDs, of which I've tested many hundreds, let's assume it is related to the fact that it is enhanced. By combining assumption A and assumption B, I'm led to the conclusion that there is something about Enhanced CDs that is causing FreeBSD to get unrecoverable errors that lead inevitably to a system crash. Namely, it generates READ_CD Hardware Error messages, followed by a series of READ_CD Illegal Request messages immediately prior to the crash. Does anyone have some ideas (other than copy protection or DRM) on why this might be happening or what might be done to solve the problem? Does anyone have some ideas of other places or lists where I might ask a similar question and be more likely to get closer to solving the problem? Thanks again, Mac -- Mac Newbold MNE - Mac Newbold Enterprises, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.macnewbold.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ripping enhanced audio CDs
Mac Newbold wrote: Yesterday at 4:23pm, Mac Newbold said: Today at 2:55pm, Mikhail Goriachev said: Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD HARDWARE ERROR asc=0x08 ascq=0x01 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:22 mybox last message repeated 11 times I am pretty sure this isn't an anti-piracy feature. It happens to me with _any_ enhanced CD (audio+data mixed CD), and _only_ on enhanced CDs. Never has it happened to me on any non-enhanced audio CD. My problem is not with the inability to get the data off, that doesn't seem to be a real issue. The problem is with the crashing of the computer. Why should _any_ data read from a removable disk of any kind be causing FreeBSD to crash by the mere act of attempting to read it from the disk? The device is reporting a failure, but why isn't the OS handling that failure gracefully? If I'm asking the wrong list, and should be asking [EMAIL PROTECTED] or some list related to multimedia, please let me know. Thanks to everyone who has contributed answers to this thread. (BTW, it is helpful if you keep me cc'd in your replies, since I'm not on the list itself and only see responses when I go check the archive.) To answer some of the questions that came up: 1. It never happens on any plain/normal/non-enhanced audio CD I've tried, which I'm quite sure might include some that are copy protected or have some kind of DRM in place. 2. None of them have said anything about being non-functional or limited with certain computer players or operating systems that I have noticed. If we can, I'd like to take this discussion in a slightly different direction. Let's change our thinking by making the following assumptions: A. It is not a DRM or copy protection scheme causing the errors. B. Since it happens on every enhanced CD (i.e. one containing audio tracks and a data track meant to be read on a computer) that I've been able to try, but not on any non-enhanced CDs, of which I've tested many hundreds, let's assume it is related to the fact that it is enhanced. By combining assumption A and assumption B, I'm led to the conclusion that there is something about Enhanced CDs that is causing FreeBSD to get unrecoverable errors that lead inevitably to a system crash. Namely, it generates READ_CD Hardware Error messages, followed by a series of READ_CD Illegal Request messages immediately prior to the crash. Does anyone have some ideas (other than copy protection or DRM) on why this might be happening or what might be done to solve the problem? Does anyone have some ideas of other places or lists where I might ask a similar question and be more likely to get closer to solving the problem? Thanks again, Mac Ok then... what is the CD drive and model? -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ripping enhanced audio CDs
Mac Newbold wrote: Yesterday at 4:23pm, Mac Newbold said: Today at 2:55pm, Mikhail Goriachev said: Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD HARDWARE ERROR asc=0x08 ascq=0x01 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:22 mybox last message repeated 11 times I am pretty sure this isn't an anti-piracy feature. It happens to me with _any_ enhanced CD (audio+data mixed CD), and _only_ on enhanced CDs. Never has it happened to me on any non-enhanced audio CD. My problem is not with the inability to get the data off, that doesn't seem to be a real issue. The problem is with the crashing of the computer. Why should _any_ data read from a removable disk of any kind be causing FreeBSD to crash by the mere act of attempting to read it from the disk? The device is reporting a failure, but why isn't the OS handling that failure gracefully? If I'm asking the wrong list, and should be asking [EMAIL PROTECTED] or some list related to multimedia, please let me know. Thanks to everyone who has contributed answers to this thread. (BTW, it is helpful if you keep me cc'd in your replies, since I'm not on the list itself and only see responses when I go check the archive.) To answer some of the questions that came up: 1. It never happens on any plain/normal/non-enhanced audio CD I've tried, which I'm quite sure might include some that are copy protected or have some kind of DRM in place. 2. None of them have said anything about being non-functional or limited with certain computer players or operating systems that I have noticed. If we can, I'd like to take this discussion in a slightly different direction. Let's change our thinking by making the following assumptions: A. It is not a DRM or copy protection scheme causing the errors. B. Since it happens on every enhanced CD (i.e. one containing audio tracks and a data track meant to be read on a computer) that I've been able to try, but not on any non-enhanced CDs, of which I've tested many hundreds, let's assume it is related to the fact that it is enhanced. By combining assumption A and assumption B, I'm led to the conclusion that there is something about Enhanced CDs that is causing FreeBSD to get unrecoverable errors that lead inevitably to a system crash. Namely, it generates READ_CD Hardware Error messages, followed by a series of READ_CD Illegal Request messages immediately prior to the crash. Does anyone have some ideas (other than copy protection or DRM) on why this might be happening or what might be done to solve the problem? Does anyone have some ideas of other places or lists where I might ask a similar question and be more likely to get closer to solving the problem? Thanks again, Mac -- Mac NewboldMNE - Mac Newbold Enterprises, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.macnewbold.com/ I can confirm that enhanced CDs do not rip properly on FreeBSD 6.1 with cdparanoia -B. cdparanoia reports a bunch of V's (Uncorrected error/skip) and my messages log is FILLED (74MB) with thousands of the following errors: Jun 16 12:00:00 trisha kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 acd0: FAILURE That's just one of nearly 88,000 similar lines from messages. But I do NOT get a reboot/crash, just thousands of errors and a silent rip of the track. This is on a NEC DVD RW ND-3520AW/3.05 accessed via /dev/acd0 The CDs I used are very unlikely to have any DRM or copy protection as they are circa 1998 CDs. Three CDs tried, all three had the error near the data track. HTH, Micah ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ripping enhanced audio CDs
Mac Newbold wrote: This has finally caused me enough grief that I'm going to ask about it and see if there's something I'm doing wrong or some nice solution to this really annyoing problem. I'm on a 5-STABLE box, currently 5.5-PRERELEASE. I use cdparanoia and lame (via abcde) to rip my CDs to MP3. (This has happened to me with other rippers, like cdda2wav, IIRC, also.) Whenever I try to rip an enhanced CD that has one or more data tracks along with the audio tracks, it crashes the computer when it gets near the enhanced tracks. It has happened on a wide variety of CDs, all enhanced, and over a long period of time. It is very repeatable. Even if I ask the ripper to rip only the track prior to the enhanced track, it still crashes when it gets about 90-95% through the track. Even if I try to break out at that point, it still crashes the box. Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD HARDWARE ERROR asc=0x08 ascq=0x01 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:22 mybox last message repeated 11 times I know has happened to me on both CD-ROM/RW drives and on my atapicam DVD+/-RW drive. I seem to remember it happening on 4-STABLE boxes too, with widely different hardware (different mobo makers, chipsets, etc.) Does anyone know what causes this or what the fix is? Has anyone else had this problem and found a suitable workaround? Right now the only workaround I've found is to start ripping the track, and let it crash the computer, then encode the track when it boots back up. Not a very happy workaround, as I have to fsck every time. :( Any help or suggestions you can offer are greatly appreciated! Thanks, Mac -- Mac NewboldMNE - Mac Newbold Enterprises, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.macnewbold.com/ ___ well, it has happened to me last week. but until now i've been under impression it was because of copy-protection. but hey, it happened right there before the end of the last track which was followed by data track. the cd was depeche mode playing the angel from 2005. the cover says it's copy protected. still i haven't had any issue grabbing the whole disc but the last track. crashing my system is very bad indeed. shouldn't happen, never. the sw used was abcde with cdparanoia. regards. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ripping enhanced audio CDs
Hello, I don't know if this is related to the topic under discussion, but i'm trying to rip a new CD it contains both video and audio and i'm stuck on track 13. In my /var/log/messages i'm seeing this, and then the msg Last message repeated 300 times and as the system tries to read and writes out the message to syslog the machine gets slower and slower. This is on a 6.1 box, and i never let it go long enough for a crash. Thanks. Dave. Jun 16 19:55:25 zeus kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 error=4ABORTED Jun 16 19:55:57 zeus last message repeated 338 times - Original Message - From: martinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: Re: ripping enhanced audio CDs Mac Newbold wrote: This has finally caused me enough grief that I'm going to ask about it and see if there's something I'm doing wrong or some nice solution to this really annyoing problem. I'm on a 5-STABLE box, currently 5.5-PRERELEASE. I use cdparanoia and lame (via abcde) to rip my CDs to MP3. (This has happened to me with other rippers, like cdda2wav, IIRC, also.) Whenever I try to rip an enhanced CD that has one or more data tracks along with the audio tracks, it crashes the computer when it gets near the enhanced tracks. It has happened on a wide variety of CDs, all enhanced, and over a long period of time. It is very repeatable. Even if I ask the ripper to rip only the track prior to the enhanced track, it still crashes when it gets about 90-95% through the track. Even if I try to break out at that point, it still crashes the box. Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD HARDWARE ERROR asc=0x08 ascq=0x01 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:22 mybox last message repeated 11 times I know has happened to me on both CD-ROM/RW drives and on my atapicam DVD+/-RW drive. I seem to remember it happening on 4-STABLE boxes too, with widely different hardware (different mobo makers, chipsets, etc.) Does anyone know what causes this or what the fix is? Has anyone else had this problem and found a suitable workaround? Right now the only workaround I've found is to start ripping the track, and let it crash the computer, then encode the track when it boots back up. Not a very happy workaround, as I have to fsck every time. :( Any help or suggestions you can offer are greatly appreciated! Thanks, Mac -- Mac NewboldMNE - Mac Newbold Enterprises, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.macnewbold.com/ ___ well, it has happened to me last week. but until now i've been under impression it was because of copy-protection. but hey, it happened right there before the end of the last track which was followed by data track. the cd was depeche mode playing the angel from 2005. the cover says it's copy protected. still i haven't had any issue grabbing the whole disc but the last track. crashing my system is very bad indeed. shouldn't happen, never. the sw used was abcde with cdparanoia. regards. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ripping enhanced audio CDs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mikhail Goriachev wrote: Mac Newbold wrote: This has finally caused me enough grief that I'm going to ask about it and see if there's something I'm doing wrong or some nice solution to this really annyoing problem. I'm on a 5-STABLE box, currently 5.5-PRERELEASE. I use cdparanoia and lame (via abcde) to rip my CDs to MP3. (This has happened to me with other rippers, like cdda2wav, IIRC, also.) Whenever I try to rip an enhanced CD that has one or more data tracks along with the audio tracks, it crashes the computer when it gets near the enhanced tracks. It has happened on a wide variety of CDs, all enhanced, and over a long period of time. It is very repeatable. Even if I ask the ripper to rip only the track prior to the enhanced track, it still crashes when it gets about 90-95% through the track. Even if I try to break out at that point, it still crashes the box. Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD HARDWARE ERROR asc=0x08 ascq=0x01 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:22 mybox last message repeated 11 times I know has happened to me on both CD-ROM/RW drives and on my atapicam DVD+/-RW drive. I seem to remember it happening on 4-STABLE boxes too, with widely different hardware (different mobo makers, chipsets, etc.) Does anyone know what causes this or what the fix is? Has anyone else had this problem and found a suitable workaround? Right now the only workaround I've found is to start ripping the track, and let it crash the computer, then encode the track when it boots back up. Not a very happy workaround, as I have to fsck every time. :( Any help or suggestions you can offer are greatly appreciated! Hi, This is an anti-piracy feature included on some discs. Nowadays there are more and more protected discs around. Some of them even crash computers when loading. How silly is that? Programs like CloneCD can handle such things on Windows boxes. That is what I use after having long frustrated sessions with open-source tools. Cheers, Mikhail. Like Mikhail was mentioning, the DMCA appears to be in your way; many companies thought it was necessary to copyright protect CDs and they have accomplished that feat by added various protection features to CDs, some of which are intentional CD track errors. The best way I've found with dealing with these types of issues is to use a program like iTunes to rip the content, since it will happily unlock the CD and encode in mp3 or mp4 format-which is fairly lossless-and I can go from there. Best of luck with that, - -Garrett -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEkRd56CkrZkzMC68RAq5hAJ0ZbRUK4ijSymor2NcXamGzsCbWQwCffOV9 E2duEPHg8NiTg6D4fpdRCQQ= =a5fG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ripping enhanced audio CDs
Mikhail Goriachev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mac Newbold wrote: I'm on a 5-STABLE box, currently 5.5-PRERELEASE. I use cdparanoia and lame (via abcde) to rip my CDs to MP3. (This has happened to me with other rippers, like cdda2wav, IIRC, also.) Whenever I try to rip an enhanced CD that has one or more data tracks along with the audio tracks, it crashes the computer when it gets near the enhanced tracks. It has happened on a wide variety of CDs, all enhanced, and over a long period of time. It is very repeatable. Even if I ask the ripper to rip only the track prior to the enhanced track, it still crashes when it gets about 90-95% through the track. Even if I try to break out at that point, it still crashes the box. Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD HARDWARE ERROR asc=0x08 ascq=0x01 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:22 mybox last message repeated 11 times I know has happened to me on both CD-ROM/RW drives and on my atapicam DVD+/-RW drive. I seem to remember it happening on 4-STABLE boxes too, with widely different hardware (different mobo makers, chipsets, etc.) This is an anti-piracy feature included on some discs. Nowadays there are more and more protected discs around. Some of them even crash computers when loading. How silly is that? Programs like CloneCD can handle such things on Windows boxes. That is what I use after having long frustrated sessions with open-source tools. Can you name a few discs that crashed your system? I copied quite a bit non standard discs with cdda2wav on FreeBSD and never saw a single crash. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: ripping enhanced audio CDs
Fabian Keil wrote: This is an anti-piracy feature included on some discs. Nowadays there are more and more protected discs around. Some of them even crash computers when loading. How silly is that? Programs like CloneCD can handle such things on Windows boxes. That is what I use after having long frustrated sessions with open-source tools. Can you name a few discs that crashed your system? I copied quite a bit non standard discs with cdda2wav on FreeBSD and never saw a single crash. Probably I should have been more specific with crashing computers. Personally, I haven't come across such discs. There was some issue with Sony's discs a few years ago doing some serious damage to iMacs. There are also many discs with a will not play on pc/mac warning or similar and apparently they cause havoc as well. Obviously effects vary depending on OSes. Cheers, Mikhail. -- Mikhail Goriachev Webanoide Telephone: +61 (0)3 62252501 Mobile Phone: +61 (0)4 38255158 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.webanoide.org PGP Key ID: 0x4E148A3B PGP Key Fingerprint: D96B 7C14 79A5 8824 B99D 9562 F50E 2F5D 4E14 8A3B ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ripping enhanced audio CDs
Mikhail Goriachev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fabian Keil wrote: This is an anti-piracy feature included on some discs. Nowadays there are more and more protected discs around. Some of them even crash computers when loading. How silly is that? Programs like CloneCD can handle such things on Windows boxes. That is what I use after having long frustrated sessions with open-source tools. Can you name a few discs that crashed your system? I copied quite a bit non standard discs with cdda2wav on FreeBSD and never saw a single crash. Probably I should have been more specific with crashing computers. Personally, I haven't come across such discs. There was some issue with Sony's discs a few years ago doing some serious damage to iMacs. There are also many discs with a will not play on pc/mac warning or similar and apparently they cause havoc as well. Obviously effects vary depending on OSes. Usually will not play on pc/mac only means will not play on pc/mac if the system is misconfigured or the user was stupid enough to install our broken drivers. If the disc can be played in some CD players, there shouldn't be a problem copying the audio tracks either. Most of the time computer drives have better error correction than CD players, rereading some sectors isn't an issue and after copying you even get better disc. Original: http://www.fabiankeil.de/blog-surrogat/2005/11/18/air-talkie-walkie-c1-scan-2005-11-14.png Copy (without the data track): http://www.fabiankeil.de/bilder/cddoctor/a-tws32.png My CD player wasn't able to properly play the original version, but the copy played just fine. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: ripping enhanced audio CDs
Like Mikhail was mentioning, the DMCA appears to be in your way; many companies thought it was necessary to copyright protect CDs and they have accomplished that feat by added various protection features to CDs, some of which are intentional CD track errors. Are those even CD's? IIRC they cant use the compact disc logo or even the name.. lets do the world a favor and boycott those little shine wannebe cdd :) Are you talking about copy protected cds? FYI i have no problems ripping audio cds with data tracks using abcde cdparanoia. -- Øyvind Skaar | os guesswhat odots.org | http://odots.org http://last.fm/user/%67%69%7A%7A%6C%6Fn | http://43things.com/person/%C3%B8s 6865792c207768617420646f20796f75206b6e6f772c 796f752772652061206e65726420746f6f202e2e ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ripping enhanced audio CDs
Today at 2:55pm, Mikhail Goriachev said: Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD HARDWARE ERROR asc=0x08 ascq=0x01 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:22 mybox last message repeated 11 times This is an anti-piracy feature included on some discs. Nowadays there are more and more protected discs around. Some of them even crash computers when loading. How silly is that? Programs like CloneCD can handle such things on Windows boxes. That is what I use after having long frustrated sessions with open-source tools. I am pretty sure this isn't an anti-piracy feature. It happens to me with _any_ enhanced CD (audio+data mixed CD), and _only_ on enhanced CDs. Never has it happened to me on any non-enhanced audio CD. My problem is not with the inability to get the data off, that doesn't seem to be a real issue. The problem is with the crashing of the computer. Why should _any_ data read from a removable disk of any kind be causing FreeBSD to crash by the mere act of attempting to read it from the disk? The device is reporting a failure, but why isn't the OS handling that failure gracefully? If I'm asking the wrong list, and should be asking [EMAIL PROTECTED] or some list related to multimedia, please let me know. Thanks, Mac -- Mac Newbold MNE - Mac Newbold Enterprises, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.macnewbold.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ripping enhanced audio CDs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mac Newbold wrote: Today at 2:55pm, Mikhail Goriachev said: Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD HARDWARE ERROR asc=0x08 ascq=0x01 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:22 mybox last message repeated 11 times This is an anti-piracy feature included on some discs. Nowadays there are more and more protected discs around. Some of them even crash computers when loading. How silly is that? Programs like CloneCD can handle such things on Windows boxes. That is what I use after having long frustrated sessions with open-source tools. I am pretty sure this isn't an anti-piracy feature. It happens to me with _any_ enhanced CD (audio+data mixed CD), and _only_ on enhanced CDs. Never has it happened to me on any non-enhanced audio CD. My problem is not with the inability to get the data off, that doesn't seem to be a real issue. The problem is with the crashing of the computer. Why should _any_ data read from a removable disk of any kind be causing FreeBSD to crash by the mere act of attempting to read it from the disk? The device is reporting a failure, but why isn't the OS handling that failure gracefully? If I'm asking the wrong list, and should be asking [EMAIL PROTECTED] or some list related to multimedia, please let me know. Thanks, Mac -- Mac NewboldMNE - Mac Newbold Enterprises, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.macnewbold.com/ Does the packaging explicitly say this CD will only work in Windows or have similar notes on it? Macs aren't supported in the anti-piracy CDs produced by sony (and other Japanese groups) at least, so that's an easy sign that you have a copy-protected CD. Also, if you can't open up the CD using Winamp version 5.0 in Windows or copy the tracks using CD burning software like Nero or Roxio, the CD's definitely copy-protected. - -Garrett -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEkeph6CkrZkzMC68RArI2AJ9wunFhhH4Mk71NsZtvEOLeIl1U9ACfZaaq +ClMaDnPyShA0m3jSAe3J6s= =L9nj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ripping enhanced audio CDs
Garrett Cooper wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mac Newbold wrote: Today at 2:55pm, Mikhail Goriachev said: Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD HARDWARE ERROR asc=0x08 ascq=0x01 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:22 mybox last message repeated 11 times This is an anti-piracy feature included on some discs. Nowadays there are more and more protected discs around. Some of them even crash computers when loading. How silly is that? Programs like CloneCD can handle such things on Windows boxes. That is what I use after having long frustrated sessions with open-source tools. I am pretty sure this isn't an anti-piracy feature. It happens to me with _any_ enhanced CD (audio+data mixed CD), and _only_ on enhanced CDs. Never has it happened to me on any non-enhanced audio CD. My problem is not with the inability to get the data off, that doesn't seem to be a real issue. The problem is with the crashing of the computer. Why should _any_ data read from a removable disk of any kind be causing FreeBSD to crash by the mere act of attempting to read it from the disk? The device is reporting a failure, but why isn't the OS handling that failure gracefully? If I'm asking the wrong list, and should be asking [EMAIL PROTECTED] or some list related to multimedia, please let me know. Thanks, Mac -- Mac NewboldMNE - Mac Newbold Enterprises, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.macnewbold.com/ Does the packaging explicitly say this CD will only work in Windows or have similar notes on it? Macs aren't supported in the anti-piracy CDs produced by sony (and other Japanese groups) at least, so that's an easy sign that you have a copy-protected CD. Also, if you can't open up the CD using Winamp version 5.0 in Windows or copy the tracks using CD burning software like Nero or Roxio, the CD's definitely copy-protected. - -Garrett -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEkeph6CkrZkzMC68RArI2AJ9wunFhhH4Mk71NsZtvEOLeIl1U9ACfZaaq +ClMaDnPyShA0m3jSAe3J6s= =L9nj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The excellent Grip cd-ripper for Linux/BSD (http://nostatic.org/grip/) has never failed me yet, despite all sorts of awful DRM software the CD might be packed with. It's a brilliant piece of software, I rank it as the best out there without question! :) -- Dag Rune Sneeggen Romolslia 23B 7029 Trondheim NORWAY -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://my.opera.com/duddev/blog/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ripping enhanced audio CDs
Mac Newbold wrote: This has finally caused me enough grief that I'm going to ask about it and see if there's something I'm doing wrong or some nice solution to this really annyoing problem. I'm on a 5-STABLE box, currently 5.5-PRERELEASE. I use cdparanoia and lame (via abcde) to rip my CDs to MP3. (This has happened to me with other rippers, like cdda2wav, IIRC, also.) Whenever I try to rip an enhanced CD that has one or more data tracks along with the audio tracks, it crashes the computer when it gets near the enhanced tracks. It has happened on a wide variety of CDs, all enhanced, and over a long period of time. It is very repeatable. Even if I ask the ripper to rip only the track prior to the enhanced track, it still crashes when it gets about 90-95% through the track. Even if I try to break out at that point, it still crashes the box. Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD HARDWARE ERROR asc=0x08 ascq=0x01 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:21 mybox kernel: acd0: FAILURE - READ_CD ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 error=0 Jun 14 11:27:22 mybox last message repeated 11 times I know has happened to me on both CD-ROM/RW drives and on my atapicam DVD+/-RW drive. I seem to remember it happening on 4-STABLE boxes too, with widely different hardware (different mobo makers, chipsets, etc.) Does anyone know what causes this or what the fix is? Has anyone else had this problem and found a suitable workaround? Right now the only workaround I've found is to start ripping the track, and let it crash the computer, then encode the track when it boots back up. Not a very happy workaround, as I have to fsck every time. :( Any help or suggestions you can offer are greatly appreciated! Hi, This is an anti-piracy feature included on some discs. Nowadays there are more and more protected discs around. Some of them even crash computers when loading. How silly is that? Programs like CloneCD can handle such things on Windows boxes. That is what I use after having long frustrated sessions with open-source tools. Cheers, Mikhail. -- Mikhail Goriachev Webanoide Telephone: +61 (0)3 62252501 Mobile Phone: +61 (0)4 38255158 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.webanoide.org PGP Key ID: 0x4E148A3B PGP Key Fingerprint: D96B 7C14 79A5 8824 B99D 9562 F50E 2F5D 4E14 8A3B ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
