Re[2]: why are theynot updated WAS Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-11-09 Thread Vladimir 
Hello, Kris.

 Also why is such an old version of perl 5.003 still in the freebsd base when
 5.8 is out ?

KK Because 5.8 is not backwards-compatible with 5.00503, and updating the
KK base system version would break a lot of scripts used on installed
KK FreeBSD machines.  You can trivially install perl 5.8 from the ports
KK collection if you want to use it.

And what about 5.6?

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why are theynot updated WAS Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-11-01 Thread SWIT 
:
  On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:06, Mike Maltese wrote:
It's in
/usr/ports/net/samba-devel/
   
   Yes, but the port hasn't been updated to the release version.

newbie question.
why isn't the ports updated ? Seems alot of times the ports is outdated by a
version  or more.
I mean if everyone is always saying its in the ports should they not be
better upkeeped ?

Also why is such an old version of perl 5.003 still in the freebsd base when
5.8 is out ?

I am just curious. But for those that continually sing unix over ms praise
you think that matters like this would be looked after so
unixes would be easier for the common man/woman to use.

again I am just curious. Not looking to offend or start some bs. I like my
FreeBSD box. And the more I learn the more I like it.
However at time, too many times windows is just easier to deal with. (newbie
with a life that is).

Thanks and please don't be offened.
MdD


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Re: why are theynot updated WAS Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-11-01 Thread Kris Kennaway 
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 03:34:30PM -0500, SWIT wrote:

 newbie question.
 why isn't the ports updated ? Seems alot of times the ports is outdated by a
 version  or more.
 I mean if everyone is always saying its in the ports should they not be
 better upkeeped ?

1) FreeBSD is a volunteer project, sometimes the volunteer maintainers
don't have time to immediately drop their day job or whatever else
they're doing and rush out a port update 5 minutes after the new
version is released

2) Sometimes the maintainer is unaware of the update until someone
tells him.

3) Some ports are unmaintained, which means they don't get updated
unless someone submits one.

4) Sometimes the maintainer chooses not to update the port
immediately, e.g. because it is a major update and they want to test
its stability, or because it's known to have bugs, etc.

Putting this together, if you find outdated software in the ports
collection, send mail to the maintainer.  Even better, develop a patch
to update the port yourself (see the Porter's Hanbdook) and send that
to the maintainer to make their job easier.  For unmaintained ports
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) you should submit the update using
send-pr(1).

 Also why is such an old version of perl 5.003 still in the freebsd base when
 5.8 is out ?

Because 5.8 is not backwards-compatible with 5.00503, and updating the
base system version would break a lot of scripts used on installed
FreeBSD machines.  You can trivially install perl 5.8 from the ports
collection if you want to use it.

Kris


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Re: why are theynot updated WAS Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-11-01 Thread Lowell Gilbert 
SWIT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 :
   On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:06, Mike Maltese wrote:
 It's in
 /usr/ports/net/samba-devel/

Yes, but the port hasn't been updated to the release version.
 
 newbie question.
 why isn't the ports updated ? Seems alot of times the ports is outdated by a
 version  or more.
 I mean if everyone is always saying its in the ports should they not be
 better upkeeped ?

It's a volunteer effort.  However, it's generally pretty good at being
up-to-date.  In this case, for example, the ports system has the
latest official release in the samba port, and the most recent
development release in the samba-devel port.  The samba-devel port
has often taken a couple of weeks to bring in the latest version, but
that doesn't seem unreasonable.

 Also why is such an old version of perl 5.003 still in the freebsd base when
 5.8 is out ?

For the most obvious reason:  some people still need it.
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Re: why are theynot updated WAS Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-11-01 Thread andi payn 
Meanwhile, on Sat, 2003-11-01 at 12:34, SWIT wrote:
 I am just curious. But for those that continually sing unix over ms praise
 you think that matters like this would be looked after so
 unixes would be easier for the common man/woman to use.

Do you think Microsoft always gives you new code as soon as they develop
it? Of course not. So, imagine how much more complicated it is for a
FreeBSD maintainer to give you new code as soon as some guy he's never
met working halfway around the world develops it!

Plus, being right at the bleeding edge and being easier to use are often
contradictory desires. You want your system to work; you want all of the
ports you install to work together; you want to have proper
documentation, and a list full of people with experience using the same
software on FreeBSD who can help you. 

All of this is often more important than having version 1.50 instead of
1.48b. Especially for the common man/woman, who enjoys using software
more than upgrading it.

In essence, this is similar to (part of) the reason Microsoft doesn't
give you new code right away--they want to have their QA teams go over
it, and their tech support people trained on it, and their marketing
people ready to spin the new bugs into features. (Of course they also
want to find ways to charge you for upgrades, but that's a side issue;
their service packs and hotfixes, and upgrades to IE and OE, and lots of
other things, are available at no cost.)

Of course any system can be improved. For example, when Mandrake wrote a
simple script that scanned Freshmeat every day and emailed package
maintainers with messages like, A new version of foo, foo-1.3.21, was
released today, at http://www.foo.org/foo/foo-newest.tgz;, that
definitely improved the freshness of their contribs repository. I'm sure
there are ideas that could help FreeBSD. But I doubt there will ever be
a day when every port in the tree has the very newest version available.


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Re: why are theynot updated WAS Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-11-01 Thread SWIT 
thanks all.
it was a curiosity question. some seem to take it personally and that was
not the intention. I was curious as to why .
I was installing java and it kept saying this port was outof date and that
one was and when I googled the alleged out of date ports I found a newer
version.
If anyone was offened that was not what I was attempting to do.
Nor was I trying to compare ms to freebsd in anyway or manner.
I believe each has their strong points and weaknesses.
I do like my freebsd box.
And just like my MS boxes I would like to throw it thru the windows
sometimes (no pun intended).
Thanks for the info.

Mark
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 Meanwhile, on Sat, 2003-11-01 at 12:34, SWIT wrote:
  I am just curious. But for those that continually sing unix over ms
praise
  you think that matters like this would be looked after so
  unixes would be easier for the common man/woman to use.

 Do you think Microsoft always gives you new code as soon as they develop
 it? Of course not. So, imagine how much more complicated it is for a
 FreeBSD maintainer to give you new code as soon as some guy he's never
 met working halfway around the world develops it!

 Plus, being right at the bleeding edge and being easier to use are often
 contradictory desires. You want your system to work; you want all of the
 ports you install to work together; you want to have proper
 documentation, and a list full of people with experience using the same
 software on FreeBSD who can help you.

 All of this is often more important than having version 1.50 instead of
 1.48b. Especially for the common man/woman, who enjoys using software
 more than upgrading it.

 In essence, this is similar to (part of) the reason Microsoft doesn't
 give you new code right away--they want to have their QA teams go over
 it, and their tech support people trained on it, and their marketing
 people ready to spin the new bugs into features. (Of course they also
 want to find ways to charge you for upgrades, but that's a side issue;
 their service packs and hotfixes, and upgrades to IE and OE, and lots of
 other things, are available at no cost.)

 Of course any system can be improved. For example, when Mandrake wrote a
 simple script that scanned Freshmeat every day and emailed package
 maintainers with messages like, A new version of foo, foo-1.3.21, was
 released today, at http://www.foo.org/foo/foo-newest.tgz;, that
 definitely improved the freshness of their contribs repository. I'm sure
 there are ideas that could help FreeBSD. But I doubt there will ever be
 a day when every port in the tree has the very newest version available.





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Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-10-05 Thread Matthew Seaman 
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 05:10:47PM -0700, Micheas Herman wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:06, Mike Maltese wrote:
   It's in
   /usr/ports/net/samba-devel/
  
  Yes, but the port hasn't been updated to the release version. You'll have to
  modify the Makefile to fetch the current release. I've done it and it does
  build, however I haven't installed it.
 
 Here are my changes. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Yes.  This looks like a solid piece of work, although since this is a
full release you should probably add some more of the samba.org
mirrors to the MASTER_SITES list -- see the net/samba Makefile for
example.  Don't drop the %SUBDIR% part either -- again, copy the
MASTER_SITE_SUBDIR stuff from the net/samba port as that's cunningly
set up to search both the /samba/ftp/ and the /samba/ftp/old-versons/
directories on the download sites.  That way the port will still
continue to work even if the Samba project suddenly releases 3.0.1,
but for whatever reason, the port can't be updated from 3.0.0
immediately.

How have you tested this update?  At a minimum you need to
run it against one or two live client machines and show that the basic
SMB file sharing capability is working.  Then you should bring your
changes to the attention of the responsible person.

The approved way to do that is described in the Porter's Handbook,
which you will find well worth a quick read.
(http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/index.html)
However, basically what it says for this case is to generate a diff
using the preferred 'diff -Nur' style, and send it to the port's
maintainer, who is:

% cd /usr/ports/net/samba-devel/
% make -V MAINTAINER 
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Since the maintainer has an @FreeBSD.org address, you can use
send-pr to send in your diff, but add the maintainer's address to the
CC: line.  If the maintainer address is external to FreeBSD.org, then
generally you would just e-mail them directly with your suggestions
and request that they put in a 'maintainer update'.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-10-05 Thread Antoine Jacoutot 
On Sunday 05 October 2003 02:10, Micheas Herman wrote:
 Here are my changes. Does anyone have any suggestions?

If I may... you could include options to compile with syslog, with ldap and 
with ldap_comptat.

Antoine

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Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-10-04 Thread Micheas Herman 
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:06, Mike Maltese wrote:
  It's in
  /usr/ports/net/samba-devel/
 
 Yes, but the port hasn't been updated to the release version. You'll have to
 modify the Makefile to fetch the current release. I've done it and it does
 build, however I haven't installed it.

Here are my changes. Does anyone have any suggestions?


Micheas
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Index: Makefile
===
RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/net/samba-devel/Makefile,v
retrieving revision 1.95
diff -r1.95 Makefile
9c9
 PORTVERSION=	3.0.0.b3
---
 PORTVERSION=	3.0.0
12,14c12,13
 MASTER_SITES=	http://us4.samba.org/samba/ftp/%SUBDIR%/archives/
 MASTER_SITE_SUBDIR=	beta alpha old
 DISTNAME=	${PORTNAME}-${PORTVERSION:S/.b/beta/}
---
 MASTER_SITES=	http://us4.samba.org/samba/ftp/
 DISTNAME=	${PORTNAME}-${PORTVERSION}
Index: distinfo
===
RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/net/samba-devel/distinfo,v
retrieving revision 1.47
diff -r1.47 distinfo
1c1,2
 MD5 (samba-3.0.0beta3.tar.bz2) = a5455bfd675a3e6a75dfed468ae22305
---
 MD5 (samba-3.0.0.tar.bz2) = f54ba49f9a5ef6090272acf8db2e066d
 
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Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-10-04 Thread Micheas Herman 
Replying to myself,

I copied samba-devel to samba-3.  Made my chanes. Did a make no
problems. Did a make install. It seems to be working.


Micheas

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 13:18, Micheas Herman wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:06, Mike Maltese wrote:
   It's in
   /usr/ports/net/samba-devel/
  
  Yes, but the port hasn't been updated to the release version. You'll have to
  modify the Makefile to fetch the current release. I've done it and it does
  build, however I haven't installed it.
 
 Here are my changes. Does anyone have any suggestions?
 
 
 Micheas
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Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-10-02 Thread Ekrem 
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 03:10, Micheas Herman wrote:
 What is the best way to install samba 3.0 on FreeBSD 5.1
 
 I am not finding it in ports :-(
 
 Am I blind?
 

It's in
/usr/ports/net/samba-devel/

have u cvsup'd your ports?



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Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-10-02 Thread Ion-Mihai Tetcu 
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 10:10:44 -0700
Micheas Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What is the best way to install samba 3.0 on FreeBSD 5.1

Maybe ?

 ports/net/samba-devel

PORTNAME=   samba
PORTVERSION=3.0.0.b3
PORTEPOCH=  1



 
 I am not finding it in ports :-(
 
 Am I blind?
 
 


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Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-10-02 Thread Micheas Herman 
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 10:57, Ekrem wrote:
 On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 03:10, Micheas Herman wrote:
  What is the best way to install samba 3.0 on FreeBSD 5.1
  
  I am not finding it in ports :-(
  
  Am I blind?
  
 
 It's in
 /usr/ports/net/samba-devel/
 
 have u cvsup'd your ports?

I did, but it is still showing 3.0beta3 

I also tried updating samba-devel with cvs but it is also stuck
at 3.0beta3.

I don't see any nasty problems with it so I guess I'll just do a
portupgrade when it gets to ports.


Thanks,


Micheas

 
 
 
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Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-10-02 Thread Mike Maltese 
 It's in
 /usr/ports/net/samba-devel/

Yes, but the port hasn't been updated to the release version. You'll have to
modify the Makefile to fetch the current release. I've done it and it does
build, however I haven't installed it.

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Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-10-02 Thread Mark Woodson 
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On Thursday 02 October 2003 10:10 am, Micheas Herman wrote:
 What is the best way to install samba 3.0 on FreeBSD 5.1

 I am not finding it in ports :-(

 Am I blind?

Nope, samba-devel is where the samba head is.

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Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-10-02 Thread Micheas Herman 
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:06, Mike Maltese wrote:
  It's in
  /usr/ports/net/samba-devel/
 
 Yes, but the port hasn't been updated to the release version. You'll have to
 modify the Makefile to fetch the current release. I've done it and it does
 build, however I haven't installed it.

Is there anything I need to change besides the file fetched in
the make file?  3.0 is a much nicer domain server.


Micheas


 
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Re: samba 3.0, FreeBSD 5.1

2003-10-02 Thread Micheas Herman 
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:06, Mike Maltese wrote:
  It's in
  /usr/ports/net/samba-devel/
 
 Yes, but the port hasn't been updated to the release version. You'll have to
 modify the Makefile to fetch the current release. I've done it and it does
 build, however I haven't installed it.

Here are my changes. Does anyone have any suggestions?


Micheas
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Index: Makefile
===
RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/net/samba-devel/Makefile,v
retrieving revision 1.95
diff -r1.95 Makefile
9c9
 PORTVERSION=	3.0.0.b3
---
 PORTVERSION=	3.0.0
12,14c12,13
 MASTER_SITES=	http://us4.samba.org/samba/ftp/%SUBDIR%/archives/
 MASTER_SITE_SUBDIR=	beta alpha old
 DISTNAME=	${PORTNAME}-${PORTVERSION:S/.b/beta/}
---
 MASTER_SITES=	http://us4.samba.org/samba/ftp/
 DISTNAME=	${PORTNAME}-${PORTVERSION}
Index: distinfo
===
RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/net/samba-devel/distinfo,v
retrieving revision 1.47
diff -r1.47 distinfo
1c1,2
 MD5 (samba-3.0.0beta3.tar.bz2) = a5455bfd675a3e6a75dfed468ae22305
---
 MD5 (samba-3.0.0.tar.bz2) = f54ba49f9a5ef6090272acf8db2e066d
 
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