Re: sysinstall colours
On Friday 16 October 2009, Randi Harper wrote: Personally if I spent a lot of time on such a project, I'd be sure to have the is this going to make it into freebsd base? conversation first. I think there's no doubt about it that 'sysinstall' will feature in the next FreeBSD too. It will! Keep up the good work! It's worth it. The sysinstall manual page makes two apocalyptical remarks about itself: 1. This product is currently at the end of its life cycle and will eventually be replaced. 2. This utility is a prototype which lasted several years past its expiration date and is greatly in need of death. These doomsayings are wrong. To date no serious contenders have surfaced and up until that time sysinstall does its job, underappreciated perhaps, but it does it reasonably well, and adequately. Now that it is back in the focus, we can look to a bright, evolutionary future for sysinstall. alexbes...@math.uni-muenster.de wrote: personally if i spent a lot of time on such a project i'd be expecting it to get integrated into the base system. if not i'd get rather upset and would probably switch to linux or opensolaris. I wouldn't switch operating systems just because something in the installer bugged me. Some enhancements I made to OSS and were rejected by the maintainers also didn't make me abandon that software. Greetings, Michiel Overtoom, Software developer. -- The ability of the OSS process to collect and harness the collective IQ of thousands of individuals across the Internet is simply amazing. - Vinod Valloppillil http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween/halloween4.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sysinstall colours
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Michiel Overtoom mot...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Friday 16 October 2009, Randi Harper wrote: Personally if I spent a lot of time on such a project, I'd be sure to have the is this going to make it into freebsd base? conversation first. I think there's no doubt about it that 'sysinstall' will feature in the next FreeBSD too. It will! Keep up the good work! It's worth it. Thank you for the kind words. :) The sysinstall manual page makes two apocalyptical remarks about itself: 1. This product is currently at the end of its life cycle and will eventually be replaced. 2. This utility is a prototype which lasted several years past its expiration date and is greatly in need of death. These doomsayings are wrong. To date no serious contenders have surfaced and up until that time sysinstall does its job, underappreciated perhaps, but it does it reasonably well, and adequately. Now that it is back in the focus, we can look to a bright, evolutionary future for sysinstall. As much as I want to agree with you, I can't quite do so. There are (to the best of my understanding) solid reasons why no other installer has made it into base. This doesn't necessarily mean that sysinstall is the final answer, though. Eventually, in my opinion, sysinstall needs to be replaced. It tries to do more than it should. For example, one of the things I'd like to see removed is the upgrade option - although I'm expecting quite a bit of backlash on that, so we'll see if that happens. I also don't think it should manage configuring rc.conf beyond network interfaces/hostname. The network services configuration is a mess. I don't think enabling the NFS server via sysinstall even works at this point. That aside, the code for sysinstall isn't really that bad, although it's been more of a history lesson than I initially expected. It was clearly written with the restrictions of older technology in mind. Bringing it completely up to date with current technology (devfs, gpt, zfs, whatever) is going to be such an extensive rewrite that it's true, one might as well write a new installer altogether. Then again, maybe I just like playing devil's advocate. :) -- randi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sysinstall colours
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Alexander Best alexbes...@math.uni-muenster.de wrote: just did a quick research and google soc sponsored the finstaller in 2007 and the bsdinstaller in 2005. personally if i spent a lot of time on such a project i'd be expecting it to get integrated into the base system. if not i'd get rather upset and would probably switch to linux or opensolaris. just my 2 cents. alex Personally if I spent a lot of time on such a project, I'd be sure to have the is this going to make it into freebsd base? conversation first. -- randi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sysinstall colours
Kevin Kinsey schrieb am 2009-10-11: Alexander Best wrote: Seriously?!?!?! All the problems with sysinstall, and your idea is to change the color? Are you trying to start a bikeshed? If so, I prefer pink. -- randi I'm painting the little girl's room next week and might have some leftover interior latex, if that will do. Oh, but, it's outside, so prolly not. Sorry. Or, do you want your pink bikeshed in the garage? ;-) current developers don't seem to have any interest in improving sysinstall. so it's important to get new people involved in freebsd. and the way to do that is with an attractive looking installer and an easy installation process imo. I don't want to be harsh, but do you know what you're talking about? Randi, for one, has taken on the zombie known as sysinstall with a nice big shotgun, and is attempting to keep adding a few features here/there as needed to keep up with necessities while other developers (AFAIK) work on other projects, including, at last count, a couple differnet possibilities for installers. It's apparently been rather daunting work, and, as a result, the new installer, whatever its name is/will be, isn't ready for inclusion with 8.0. However, a day is coming ... Kevin Kinsey just did a quick research and google soc sponsored the finstaller in 2007 and the bsdinstaller in 2005. personally if i spent a lot of time on such a project i'd be expecting it to get integrated into the base system. if not i'd get rather upset and would probably switch to linux or opensolaris. just my 2 cents. alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sysinstall colours
Alexander Best wrote: Seriously?!?!?! All the problems with sysinstall, and your idea is to change the color? Are you trying to start a bikeshed? If so, I prefer pink. -- randi I'm painting the little girl's room next week and might have some leftover interior latex, if that will do. Oh, but, it's outside, so prolly not. Sorry. Or, do you want your pink bikeshed in the garage? ;-) current developers don't seem to have any interest in improving sysinstall. so it's important to get new people involved in freebsd. and the way to do that is with an attractive looking installer and an easy installation process imo. I don't want to be harsh, but do you know what you're talking about? Randi, for one, has taken on the zombie known as sysinstall with a nice big shotgun, and is attempting to keep adding a few features here/there as needed to keep up with necessities while other developers (AFAIK) work on other projects, including, at last count, a couple differnet possibilities for installers. It's apparently been rather daunting work, and, as a result, the new installer, whatever its name is/will be, isn't ready for inclusion with 8.0. However, a day is coming ... Kevin Kinsey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
