RE: TIME loss

2006-07-13 Thread Chris Hill

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Mike Jeays wrote:


On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 17:35 -0400, Chris Hill wrote:

[...] To sync the clock on boot, you can add

ntpd_sync_on_start="NO" # Sync time on ntpd startup, even if offset is high

...to /etc/rc.conf.



Wouldn't 'ntpd_sync_on_start="YES"' work better?  Or is it a very
non-intuitive parameter?  Refer to
http://www.qnd-guides.org/qnd-ntpd.html


You're right, of course. I sit corrected. Maybe that's why my clock is 
wrong :^)


Good link, BTW.

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RE: TIME loss

2006-07-13 Thread Mike Jeays
On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 17:35 -0400, Chris Hill wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Jean-Paul Natola wrote:
> 
> > But as I mentioned earlier
> >
> >  ntpd is running , when I do top
> 
> ...?
> 
> Anyway, make sure your drift file exists and is writeable. Mine looks 
> like this:
> 
> $ ls -l /var/db/ntpd.drift
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  6 Jul 13 17:01 /var/db/ntpd.drift
> 
> If it's not there, just
> # touch /var/db/ntpd.drift
> ...and verify permissions. ntpd should be able to take over from there.
> 
> 
> 
> Another thing: (assuming you don't want to use ntpdate) ntpd may not 
> sync to the time server if the local clock is "very" different from the 
> server's clock. To sync the clock on boot, you can add
> 
> ntpd_sync_on_start="NO" # Sync time on ntpd startup, even if offset is high
> 
> ...to /etc/rc.conf.
> 
> 
> 
> HTH.
> 
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Wouldn't 'ntpd_sync_on_start="YES"' work better?  Or is it a very
non-intuitive parameter?  Refer to
http://www.qnd-guides.org/qnd-ntpd.html


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Re: TIME loss

2006-07-13 Thread Bill Moran
"Jean-Paul Natola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But as I mentioned earlier
> 
>   ntpd is running , when I do top

Couple of things:
1) NTP will refuse to adjust the clock if it's too far off.  If your
   clock is drifting very badly, this may cause ntp to be unable to
   correct it.
2) If your clock is drifting as badly as you describe, you may benefit
   from switching to a different hardware clock.  You can see which
   clocks are available via the sysctl kern.timecounter.choice, then
   trying changing kern.timecounter.hardware.
3) Check the logs for messages.  Normal operation produces stuff like
   this: 
   May 25 08:21:17 pa-plum1b-166 ntpd[130]: time set -32.027468 s
   May 25 09:04:19 pa-plum1b-166 ntpd[130]: time reset 0.758199 s
4) If the logs don't help, you can run ntpd in debugging mode with -d
   or -D 

> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Greenwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 4:11 PM
> To: Jean-Paul Natola
> Cc: Peter A. Giessel; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: TIME loss
> 
> IIRC, ntpdate only syncs your time at boot. You want something like
> 
> ntpd_enable="YES"
> 
> On 7/13/06, Jean-Paul Natola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Peter A. Giessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:33 PM
> > To: Jean-Paul Natola
> > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > Subject: Re: TIME loss
> >
> > On 7/13/2006 10:13, Jean-Paul Natola seems to have typed:
> > > I do have the ntpd running,
> >
> > what does ntpq -p say?
> >
> >
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> > Here's my rc.conf  entry
> >
> > ntpdate_enable="YES"
> > ntpdate_program="ntpdate"
> > ntpdate_flags="-b 192.168.1.3"
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RE: TIME loss

2006-07-13 Thread Chris Hill

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Jean-Paul Natola wrote:


But as I mentioned earlier

 ntpd is running , when I do top


...?

Anyway, make sure your drift file exists and is writeable. Mine looks 
like this:


$ ls -l /var/db/ntpd.drift
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  6 Jul 13 17:01 /var/db/ntpd.drift

If it's not there, just
# touch /var/db/ntpd.drift
...and verify permissions. ntpd should be able to take over from there.



Another thing: (assuming you don't want to use ntpdate) ntpd may not 
sync to the time server if the local clock is "very" different from the 
server's clock. To sync the clock on boot, you can add


ntpd_sync_on_start="NO" # Sync time on ntpd startup, even if offset is high

...to /etc/rc.conf.



HTH.

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Re: TIME loss

2006-07-13 Thread Bob Johnson

On 7/13/06, Jean-Paul Natola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have been trying to figure this one out for a couple of days,  but no can
do.

My clock on my bsd box currently 19 minutes ahead of the real world.

I have it set to query my w2k box as the time server.

I do have the ntpd running,

So I am not sure how to adjust I tried this

milter# ntpdate -q 192.168.1.3
Looking for host 192.168.1.3 and service ntp
host found : fci2003.fci
server 192.168.1.3, stratum 2, offset -1120.152027, delay 0.03365
13 Jul 14:30:19 ntpdate[79951]: step time server 192.168.1.3 offset
-1120.152027 sec

But the longer the machine stays up  (142 days ) the more time the clock
loses,

Aside from rebooting ,  is there any way to fix this?




It doesn't really make sense to run ntpdate if ntpd is already
running.  ntpdate runs once, sets the clock, and then exists.  ntpd
runs continuously and keeps the clock synchronized to the server, but
you must have the config file set up correctly. Do you have a line
like

server 192.168.1.3

in /etc/ntp.conf?

You might also want to make sure rc.conf includes:

ntpd_enable="YES"
ntpd_flags="-g -p /var/run/ntpd.pid"

The -g option lets it do a single large correction when it first
starts, similar to ntpdate.

If ntpd is running, then ntpq -p will tell you what peers it thinks it
is trying to synchronize to, and what the status is. If it shows an
asterisk (*) next to one of the peers, it is synchronized to that one.
In your case, it will be a list of one.  It takes a few minutes to
synch after first starting up.
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RE: TIME loss

2006-07-13 Thread Jean-Paul Natola
But as I mentioned earlier

  ntpd is running , when I do top
 

-Original Message-
From: Andy Greenwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 4:11 PM
To: Jean-Paul Natola
Cc: Peter A. Giessel; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: TIME loss

IIRC, ntpdate only syncs your time at boot. You want something like

ntpd_enable="YES"

On 7/13/06, Jean-Paul Natola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter A. Giessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:33 PM
> To: Jean-Paul Natola
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: TIME loss
>
> On 7/13/2006 10:13, Jean-Paul Natola seems to have typed:
> > I do have the ntpd running,
>
> what does ntpq -p say?
>
>
>
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> Here's my rc.conf  entry
>
> ntpdate_enable="YES"
> ntpdate_program="ntpdate"
> ntpdate_flags="-b 192.168.1.3"
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Re: TIME loss

2006-07-13 Thread Andy Greenwood

IIRC, ntpdate only syncs your time at boot. You want something like

ntpd_enable="YES"

On 7/13/06, Jean-Paul Natola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Peter A. Giessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:33 PM
To: Jean-Paul Natola
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: TIME loss

On 7/13/2006 10:13, Jean-Paul Natola seems to have typed:
> I do have the ntpd running,

what does ntpq -p say?



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Here's my rc.conf  entry

ntpdate_enable="YES"
ntpdate_program="ntpdate"
ntpdate_flags="-b 192.168.1.3"
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RE: TIME loss

2006-07-13 Thread Jean-Paul Natola

-Original Message-
From: Peter A. Giessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:33 PM
To: Jean-Paul Natola
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: TIME loss

On 7/13/2006 10:13, Jean-Paul Natola seems to have typed:
> I do have the ntpd running,

what does ntpq -p say?



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Here's my rc.conf  entry

ntpdate_enable="YES"
ntpdate_program="ntpdate"
ntpdate_flags="-b 192.168.1.3"
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RE: TIME loss

2006-07-13 Thread Jean-Paul Natola
 

-Original Message-
From: Peter A. Giessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:33 PM
To: Jean-Paul Natola
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: TIME loss

On 7/13/2006 10:13, Jean-Paul Natola seems to have typed:
> I do have the ntpd running,

what does ntpq -p say?



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TIME loss

2006-07-13 Thread Jean-Paul Natola
Hi everyone,

I have been trying to figure this one out for a couple of days,  but no can
do.

My clock on my bsd box currently 19 minutes ahead of the real world.

I have it set to query my w2k box as the time server.

I do have the ntpd running,

So I am not sure how to adjust I tried this 

milter# ntpdate -q 192.168.1.3
Looking for host 192.168.1.3 and service ntp
host found : fci2003.fci
server 192.168.1.3, stratum 2, offset -1120.152027, delay 0.03365
13 Jul 14:30:19 ntpdate[79951]: step time server 192.168.1.3 offset
-1120.152027 sec

But the longer the machine stays up  (142 days ) the more time the clock
loses, 

Aside from rebooting ,  is there any way to fix this?











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