Re: Third Party Patches that link to OpenSSL

2003-10-17 Thread Matthew Luckie
  They've said that unless the gaim project sanctions the use of OpenSSL
  with their code, that I should not release the code.  Apparently that
  would require contacting all of the prior developers to get their
  permission.

 Who is they?

ChipX86, javabsp, a few others in #gaim

 Anyway, if there was a meaningful license conflict between Gaim and
 OpenSSL, the GPL (section 7) would forbid you from redistributing your
 modified version of Gaim+OpenSSL, but it would not forbid you from
 redistributing your patches by themselves.

yes, i've come to that conclusion.

i love gaim, i love freebsd, this makes using gaim on freebsd (and netbsd,
for that matter, where there are gnutls issues) a lot better.  shame that
there is a tension

http://www.netbsd.org/cgi-bin/query-pr-single.pl?number=23172
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Third Party Patches that link to OpenSSL

2003-10-16 Thread Matthew Luckie
Hello

I've written an OpenSSL plugin for gaim that allows gaim to use the 
OpenSSL libraries that come installed with FreeBSD.  Gaim is a GPL 
application, OpenSSL is BSD licensed, and apparently there are license 
issues to deal with as a result.

http://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html#LEGAL2

They've said that unless the gaim project sanctions the use of OpenSSL 
with their code, that I should not release the code.  Apparently that 
would require contacting all of the prior developers to get their 
permission.

Is this the case, or can I safely release a third party patch that gaim 
does not depend on to run or compile?  The maintainer of gaim on FreeBSD 
is quite keen to use the patch.

Matthew

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Re: Third Party Patches that link to OpenSSL

2003-10-16 Thread Charles Swiger
On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 07:09 PM, Matthew Luckie wrote:
I've written an OpenSSL plugin for gaim that allows gaim to use the 
OpenSSL libraries that come installed with FreeBSD.  Gaim is a GPL 
application, OpenSSL is BSD licensed, and apparently there are license 
issues to deal with as a result.

http://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html#LEGAL2
The first part of that reference starts with On many systems including 
the major Linux and BSD distributions, yes (the GPL does not place 
restrictions on using libraries that are part of the normal operating 
system distribution).

...and that would apply here, since FreeBSD supports OpenSSL as part of 
the normal OS distribution.

They've said that unless the gaim project sanctions the use of OpenSSL 
with their code, that I should not release the code.  Apparently that 
would require contacting all of the prior developers to get their 
permission.
Who is they?

Anyway, if there was a meaningful license conflict between Gaim and 
OpenSSL, the GPL (section 7) would forbid you from redistributing your 
modified version of Gaim+OpenSSL, but it would not forbid you from 
redistributing your patches by themselves.

The upshot is that while the end-user using those patches might be 
subject to patent infringement issues due to OpenSSL including RC5, 
IDEA, or other such algorithms which are patented in some parts of the 
world-- and thus would not be able to redistribute the result of 
applying your patches for the same reasons mentioned above-- they would 
be able to personally _use_ the result without violating the GPL.

IANAL, TINLA.  Does this help...?  :-)

--
-Chuck
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