Re: Virtual Hosting Control Panel

[Marc G. Fournier]

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- --On Friday, April 06, 2007 08:48:08 +0300 Apatewna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> O/H Marc G. Fournier έγραψε:
>
>>
>>> Theres always raqdevil (www/raqdevil http://www.raqdevil.com/) although
>>> i'm afraid its BSD not GPL Licenced ;)
>>
>> First thing in favor of it, the BSD license ... second, developed under
>> FreeBSD  :)
>>
>
> ...third it is abandoned http://www.freshports.org/www/raqdevil

"RAQdevil is not yet available in the FreeBSD ports collection, but we have a 
port structure available that can be built as any other FreeBSD port as well as 
packages. Note that RAQdevil is a work in progress, and there is currently no 
``official'' upgrade mechanism and upgrades could break existing configurations 
(though we will try to not do this)."
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Re: Virtual Hosting Control Panel

[Jay Gordon]

The one I would be a bit afraid of is Plesk...

Why?

Well first the software is a huge pain if you don't have a hefty support 
contract with SWSoft.


Next... they modified their install method recently.  The entire package 
used to contain precompiled binaries of the basic software required such 
as MySQL, Apache, etc... if you are a novice then you will run into some 
issues as they have moved to a ports distributed installation method.


Finally... their ports are broken.  I spent a day trying to figure out 
why Horde failed to install the database properly.  After a lengthy back 
and forth with their support it was finally told that their Makefile for 
two particular ports.  I had to modify manually and finally the software 
installed.


Plesk has it's positives... it's pretty, it gives user end a nice 
interface with options that many other panels might not.  Integration of 
third party software into their install such as Miva Merchant and some 
php applications make it easy for you to provide little bells and 
whistles features for web hosting clients.  Also the ability to 
integrate third party billing systems rather than use their HSPComplete 
is there.  At one point when I was with a itty bitty hosting company we 
had modernbill integrated with the creation utils of Plesk and it made 
for better client management. 

But the negatives are sometimes overwhelming.  Their gui-fied updating 
software fails a lot and can cause serious damage that can require you 
to contact their support which at time is not the quickest to respond.


The other issues mainly have to do with administration faults that have 
to do with tuning specifically with qmail.  Their heavily custom install 
of qmail doesn't allow for much in the way of modification to better tune. 




We actually produce an in house RedHat/FreeBSD based panel called 
easyADMIN which allows a lot of flexibility in administration.  Where it 
may not have the same pretty look as Plesk or the other big boys (ensim, 
cpanel) it makes up for in ease of administration from the web panel and 
the ability to further tune and expand upon it.  If you need to upgrade 
this or upgrade that, you typically can get away with it.  The only 
requirement under FreeBSD right now is running it using 4.11.  We've 
found 4.11 to be quite stable and reliable.  While plans for 6/7 
versions are in the works we've had very few issues with 4.11's EOL 
status.  Our other requirement is perl 5.8.0 as the software is 
dependent on it.  With this we've seen very little client complaints...


Other things to keep in mind when choosing a control panel are...

MTA - is it going to use postfix, qmail, sendmail... which are you the 
most comfortable when it comes to troubleshooting.  If you choose a 
panel which absolutely requires Exim and you know nothing about it, 
troubleshooting larger issues which may be costly from the support of  
the vendor.  Most of these companies that are dedicated to virtual 
hosting control panels rely on the support costs... you are looking at 
times from 75 - 150 per hour.  If you are a person simply running 1 or 2 
boxes this may be less than cost efficient. 

Is it scalable?  Some control panels can allow multiple server 
management from a centralized point.  This can be extremely beneficial 
if your solution grows beyond just one server.


There are a ton of other factors, these are just some of my opinions.



Apatewna wrote:

O/H Apatewna έγραψε:

O/H Marc G. Fournier έγραψε:



Theres always raqdevil (www/raqdevil http://www.raqdevil.com/) 
although

i'm afraid its BSD not GPL Licenced ;)


First thing in favor of it, the BSD license ... second, developed 
under FreeBSD :)




...third it is abandoned http://www.freshports.org/www/raqdevil



*correction* it appears there's a lot of underground work going on for 
raqdevil, I just googled for it 
http://www.raqdevil.com/pipermail/raqdevil-commit/2007-March/37.html




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Re: Virtual Hosting Control Panel

[Apatewna]

O/H Apatewna έγραψε:

O/H Marc G. Fournier έγραψε:




Theres always raqdevil (www/raqdevil http://www.raqdevil.com/) although
i'm afraid its BSD not GPL Licenced ;)


First thing in favor of it, the BSD license ... second, developed 
under FreeBSD :)




...third it is abandoned http://www.freshports.org/www/raqdevil



*correction* it appears there's a lot of underground work going on for 
raqdevil, I just googled for it 
http://www.raqdevil.com/pipermail/raqdevil-commit/2007-March/37.html


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Re: Virtual Hosting Control Panel

[Apatewna]

O/H Marc G. Fournier έγραψε:




Theres always raqdevil (www/raqdevil http://www.raqdevil.com/) although
i'm afraid its BSD not GPL Licenced ;)


First thing in favor of it, the BSD license ... second, developed under FreeBSD 
:)




...third it is abandoned http://www.freshports.org/www/raqdevil

I have sworn to never touch a web interface for an application again, 
unless it is something in the lines of SWAT for Samba or qmailadmin. 
Other web-based panels although nice and handy, they just add another 
layer of complexity and bugs. My main experience is with webmin.


I remember a couple of months ago when I installed squid and webmin to 
create a "proxy product". I tried to implement bandwidth management 
through webmin and failed for no apparent reason. Not to mention 
clicking various buttons for more than ten times, to change the 
appropriate values.
After too much effort, I manually edited squid.conf and realized that 
all the bandwidth management was done in a single three-digit line of 
text, which webmin kept screwing arround. So why bother with the extra 
bloat?


Furthermore, try to setup a mail server using a web panel. When the 
server breaks you will have two things to consider:

a) if the mail package caused the problem
b) if the web-panel caused the problem

I have seen webmin adding crontab entries by wrapping all of them into a 
perl script and cronning this particular script. Imagine the frustration 
when for some reason perl gets hosed. Suddenly your crontab is not 
working, how could you possibly imagine that the above perl-wrapping 
exists so that you can correct it?


Webmin is nice, I have installed it several times back in my learning 
days and it has helped me get a jumpstart in testing. But now when 
considering professional use, I'd rather skip it so that I have less 
things to worry about.


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Re: Virtual Hosting Control Panel

[Marc G. Fournier]

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- --On Thursday, April 05, 2007 09:33:25 +0100 Vince <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>>
>> DTC is the only decent one I've found OSS ... I have some updates to do, but
>> there is a /usr/ports/sysutils/dtc{-toaster} port available ... the -toaster
>> port does a complete install based on my setup (postfix, cyrus-imapd,
>> pure-ftpd, etc), while the dtc one requires you to define various options ...
>>
>>
>> --On Wednesday, April 04, 2007 15:53:42 -0700 Chris Hesselrode
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
 Does anyone have any suggestions for a good hosting control panel for
 FreeBSD 6.x (GNU)?

 Thanks in advance,

 Chris

> Theres always raqdevil (www/raqdevil http://www.raqdevil.com/) although
> i'm afraid its BSD not GPL Licenced ;)

First thing in favor of it, the BSD license ... second, developed under FreeBSD 
:)

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Re: Virtual Hosting Control Panel

[Grant Peel]

http://webmin.com (system panel)
http://usermin.com (users control panel)
http://virtualmin.com (hosting control panel).

All written in perl. Uses its own https server (miniserv.pl), many hundreds 
of easy to install modules available.


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Does anyone have any suggestions for a good hosting control panel for
FreeBSD 6.x (GNU)?

Thanks in advance,

Chris


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RE: Virtual Hosting Control Panel

[Philippe Lang]

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> Does anyone have any suggestions for a good hosting control panel for
> FreeBSD 6.x (GNU)? 

For your email domains, have a look at

http://sourceforge.net/projects/postfixadmin/

It works great for me.

Philippe Lang
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Re: Virtual Hosting Control Panel

[Vince]

Marc G. Fournier wrote:
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> DTC is the only decent one I've found OSS ... I have some updates to do, but 
> there is a /usr/ports/sysutils/dtc{-toaster} port available ... the -toaster 
> port does a complete install based on my setup (postfix, cyrus-imapd, 
> pure-ftpd, etc), while the dtc one requires you to define various options ...
> 
> 
> --On Wednesday, April 04, 2007 15:53:42 -0700 Chris Hesselrode 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions for a good hosting control panel for
>>> FreeBSD 6.x (GNU)?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
Theres always raqdevil (www/raqdevil http://www.raqdevil.com/) although
i'm afraid its BSD not GPL Licenced ;)
Havent actually tried it but i did use to like the old cobalt raqs


Vince



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Re: Virtual Hosting Control Panel

[Marc G. Fournier]

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DTC is the only decent one I've found OSS ... I have some updates to do, but 
there is a /usr/ports/sysutils/dtc{-toaster} port available ... the -toaster 
port does a complete install based on my setup (postfix, cyrus-imapd, 
pure-ftpd, etc), while the dtc one requires you to define various options ...


- --On Wednesday, April 04, 2007 15:53:42 -0700 Chris Hesselrode 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does anyone have any suggestions for a good hosting control panel for
> FreeBSD 6.x (GNU)?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Chris
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Virtual Hosting Control Panel

[Chris Hesselrode]

Does anyone have any suggestions for a good hosting control panel for
FreeBSD 6.x (GNU)?

Thanks in advance,

Chris


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