Virtualization manager suggestions
Guys, My day job is looking for a good VM lead and I thought of you. Well, ok, I thought you could get me some good leads. We're looking into an alternative to VMWare vSphere 5, one that will run under whatever OS (we're not sold to Windows for our base configuration) and will support any OS on top of it (BSD, Linux, Windows, etc.). Links to whitepapers and pricing (if applicable) would also be appreciated. We're going to utilize most of this machine to run various video surveillance solutions but will also reserve some smaller slices for our network communications (DNS, DHCP, ipTables, Nagios, etc.). Thanks! -- Ryan___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Virtualization manager suggestions
My #1 choice is - your web browser and Amazon Web Services (EC2), where you may have Linux, FreeBSD, or Windoze instances. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Ryan Coleman edi...@d3photography.com wrote: Guys, My day job is looking for a good VM lead and I thought of you. Well, ok, I thought you could get me some good leads. We're looking into an alternative to VMWare vSphere 5, one that will run under whatever OS (we're not sold to Windows for our base configuration) and will support any OS on top of it (BSD, Linux, Windows, etc.). Links to whitepapers and pricing (if applicable) would also be appreciated. We're going to utilize most of this machine to run various video surveillance solutions but will also reserve some smaller slices for our network communications (DNS, DHCP, ipTables, Nagios, etc.). Thanks! -- Ryan___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Virtualization manager suggestions
I appreciate the thought, but we have to have them on our local network. On Nov 30, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Michael Sierchio wrote: My #1 choice is - your web browser and Amazon Web Services (EC2), where you may have Linux, FreeBSD, or Windoze instances. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Ryan Coleman edi...@d3photography.com wrote: Guys, My day job is looking for a good VM lead and I thought of you. Well, ok, I thought you could get me some good leads. We're looking into an alternative to VMWare vSphere 5, one that will run under whatever OS (we're not sold to Windows for our base configuration) and will support any OS on top of it (BSD, Linux, Windows, etc.). Links to whitepapers and pricing (if applicable) would also be appreciated. We're going to utilize most of this machine to run various video surveillance solutions but will also reserve some smaller slices for our network communications (DNS, DHCP, ipTables, Nagios, etc.). Thanks! -- Ryan___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Virtualization manager suggestions
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:05:53AM -0600, Ryan Coleman wrote: I appreciate the thought, but we have to have them on our local network. Two new projects that I've been hearing about are ganeti for (persistent) vm hosting and openstack for (transient) cloud type hosting. I do not know if freebsd will run on either of them, but hope springs eternal. dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Virtualization manager suggestions
On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:57:12 -0600 Ryan Coleman edi...@d3photography.com wrote: Guys, My day job is looking for a good VM lead and I thought of you. Well, ok, I thought you could get me some good leads. We're looking into an alternative to VMWare vSphere 5, one that will run under whatever OS (we're not sold to Windows for our base configuration) and will support any OS on top of it (BSD, Linux, Windows, etc.). Links to whitepapers and pricing (if applicable) would also be appreciated. We're going to utilize most of this machine to run various video surveillance solutions but will also reserve some smaller slices for our network communications (DNS, DHCP, ipTables, Nagios, etc.). Thanks! -- Ryan___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org You might consider having a look at KVM on OpenIndiana, the Illumos based OpenSolaris distro. Another thought could be the Joyent cloud computing flavour of KVM on Illumos/OpenSolaris, SmartOS. Positive about such a setup is that you could enjoy the storage flexibility of ZFS. Cheers, -- Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 1 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Virtualization with USB on Freebsd 8
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Jorge Medina jo...@bsdchile.cl wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 6:58 AM, step...@theched.org wrote: Good morning/afternoon/evening, Do you know of any virtualisation solution that would allow USB devices when using Freebsd-8 as host ? We do indeed have virtualbox-OSE, but without USB support Basically I would use that to fire-up a WinXP session allowing my to sync various USB devices that I cannot sync using my Freebsd box (iPod, GPS etc.) you can't access to them from vm :( use the NON ose version. you could patch the port to do that. -- Jorge Andrés Medina Oliva. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Virtualization with USB on Freebsd 8
Good morning/afternoon/evening, Do you know of any virtualisation solution that would allow USB devices when using Freebsd-8 as host ? We do indeed have virtualbox-OSE, but without USB support Basically I would use that to fire-up a WinXP session allowing my to sync various USB devices that I cannot sync using my Freebsd box (iPod, GPS etc.) Thanks in advance, -Steven ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Virtualization with USB on Freebsd 8
On Jun 24 18:58, step...@theched.org wrote: Good morning/afternoon/evening, Do you know of any virtualisation solution that would allow USB devices when using Freebsd-8 as host ? We do indeed have virtualbox-OSE, but without USB support Basically I would use that to fire-up a WinXP session allowing my to sync various USB devices that I cannot sync using my Freebsd box (iPod, GPS etc.) Thanks in advance, -Steven Not sure about other USB devices, but I use virtualbox-ose on FreeBSD host, and Windows 7 sees the USB wireless keyboard and mouse without any fiddling. But perhaps that's because FreeBSD also sees them and virtualizes them. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Sterling (Chip) Camden http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Virtualization with USB on Freebsd 8
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 6:58 AM, step...@theched.org wrote: Good morning/afternoon/evening, Do you know of any virtualisation solution that would allow USB devices when using Freebsd-8 as host ? We do indeed have virtualbox-OSE, but without USB support Basically I would use that to fire-up a WinXP session allowing my to sync various USB devices that I cannot sync using my Freebsd box (iPod, GPS etc.) you can't access to them from vm :( -- Jorge Andrés Medina Oliva. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Hardware virtualization
On 31/12/2009 9:00 AM, Nenad Mihajlovic wrote: Hello, For the Intel processors VT support, you can check up on http://ark.intel.com/VTList.aspx go for no less than dual-core 8400. and for the AMD desktop processors, here: http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUResult.aspx and some of new X4 phenoms. Either AMD or Intel, both are good choice, we have run numerous environments here without any problem. For the serious application you might want to go for the Xeon or Opteron family, though. Regards, Nenad original message- from: Mike Jeays mike.je...@rogers.com to: freebsd-questi...@freebsd. ORG freebsd-questions@freebsd.org date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:06:38 -0500 - I am about to buy a new desktop, and I want to make sure that hardware virtualization is included. In one or two local computer stores, I get a blank look when I ask about this. Intel seems provide it on only certain chip models and they don't seem be very forthcoming, Perhaps it is better to buy an AMD product? Any hints, please? ___ Intel processors are documented at http://processorfinder.intel.com/ - from what I can see, the following Intel processors have VT (Hardware Virtualization): * All E6xxx series Core 2 Duo * All Q6xxx series Core 2 Quad * All E8xxx series Core 2 Duo * All Q9xxx series Core 2 Quad * All Q8xxx series Core 2 Quad *except Q8200* * All Core i7 processors * All Core i5 processors * All Xeon 3000, 3200, 5000, 5500, 7000 series processors As far as I know, the following do not: * Core 2 Duo 4000, 5000, 7000 series processors * Pentium Dual Core E5000 and lower series processors * Celeron processors Even more critical than the CPU is the board - without BIOS support, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Dave. P.S. Happy New Year! -- David Rawling Principal Consultant PD Consulting And Security 7 Virginia Ave Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 Australia Mob: +61 412 135 513 Email: d...@pdconsec.net Please note that whilst we take all care, neither PD Consulting and Security nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan for viruses. The contents are intended only for use by the addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material and any use by other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please inform the sender and/or addressee immediately and delete the material. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Hardware virtualization
I am about to buy a new desktop, and I want to make sure that hardware virtualization is included. In one or two local computer stores, I get a blank look when I ask about this. Intel seems provide it on only certain chip models and they don't seem be very forthcoming, Perhaps it is better to buy an AMD product? Any hints, please? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Hardware virtualization
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mike Jeays mike.je...@rogers.com wrote: I am about to buy a new desktop, and I want to make sure that hardware virtualization is included. In one or two local computer stores, I get a blank look when I ask about this. Intel seems provide it on only certain chip models and they don't seem be very forthcoming, Perhaps it is better to buy an AMD product? Any hints, please? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Hello: I like AMD because ALL their Athlon X2 and Phenom have it. Intel some models have it some ones dont. then you have to check first at intel page to be shure about. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Hardware virtualization
-- Original Message -- From: Diego F. Arias R. dak@gmail.com Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:24:24 -0500 On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mike Jeays mike.je...@rogers.com wrote: I am about to buy a new desktop, and I want to make sure that hardware virtualization is included. In one or two local computer stores, I get a blank look when I ask about this. Intel seems provide it on only certain chip models and they don't seem be very forthcoming, Perhaps it is better to buy an AMD product? Any hints, please? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Hello: I like AMD because ALL their Athlon X2 and Phenom have it. Intel some models have it some ones dont. then you have to check first at intel page to be shure about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd64#AMD64 Len ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Hardware virtualization
Hello, For the Intel processors VT support, you can check up on http://ark.intel.com/VTList.aspx go for no less than dual-core 8400. and for the AMD desktop processors, here: http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUResult.aspx and some of new X4 phenoms. Either AMD or Intel, both are good choice, we have run numerous environments here without any problem. For the serious application you might want to go for the Xeon or Opteron family, though. Regards, Nenad original message- from: Mike Jeays mike.je...@rogers.com to: freebsd-questi...@freebsd. ORG freebsd-questions@freebsd.org date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:06:38 -0500 - I am about to buy a new desktop, and I want to make sure that hardware virtualization is included. In one or two local computer stores, I get a blank look when I ask about this. Intel seems provide it on only certain chip models and they don't seem be very forthcoming, Perhaps it is better to buy an AMD product? Any hints, please? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
When's FreeBSD going to catch up in the world of virtualization.
I'm a die hard FreeBSD user. For the past 10 years (since version 2.8 was released) it's been in production on all of my servers. Now however, I'm forced to use linux as the host OS for Vmware as there currently seems to be no current support for FreeBSD as the Host OS for popular VM applications. Is there hope for FreeBSD as a popularly supported virtual machine host, or am I stuck in the multiple disappointments of linsux land. Sincerely, Peter Brezny Purplecat Networks Inc. www.purplecat.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: When's FreeBSD going to catch up in the world of virtualization.
Now however, I'm forced to use linux as the host OS for Vmware as there currently seems to be no current support for FreeBSD as the Host OS for popular VM applications. I hear your pain. However, VMware is a commercial company one of whose responsibilities is their bottom line. I have heard it said many, many times on this and other FreeBSD discussions that, if commercial companies hear from the end-users and system administrators, they would pay more attention to the group in question. Sadly, to date I have not seen any organized efforts to bring to VMware's attention the mob of BSD users that are out there, despite all the boastful talks. You also see that there are no (host) support for Open and Net (BSD). OSS virtualization efforts are another story, as there is no bottom line as such. But you still need the manpower and manhours to do complicated stuff like virtualization. SC ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: When's FreeBSD going to catch up in the world of virtualization.
there is always XEN or worse case scenario is jail On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Simon Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now however, I'm forced to use linux as the host OS for Vmware as there currently seems to be no current support for FreeBSD as the Host OS for popular VM applications. I hear your pain. However, VMware is a commercial company one of whose responsibilities is their bottom line. I have heard it said many, many times on this and other FreeBSD discussions that, if commercial companies hear from the end-users and system administrators, they would pay more attention to the group in question. Sadly, to date I have not seen any organized efforts to bring to VMware's attention the mob of BSD users that are out there, despite all the boastful talks. You also see that there are no (host) support for Open and Net (BSD). OSS virtualization efforts are another story, as there is no bottom line as such. But you still need the manpower and manhours to do complicated stuff like virtualization. SC ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://alexus.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: When's FreeBSD going to catch up in the world of virtualization.
Yeah, But Jail offers no real segmentation of resource utilization and certainly no simple management interface to hand to customers. At least not back in 2006 when I was using them on a 4.x system, where none of the jails survived a simple upgrade (from like 4.9 to 4.10 or something I don't remember). A great tool for testing and such, but I just didn't find it could do what I needed (real resource segmentation and control). How's virtualbox coming along? Does it have FreeBSD host support yet? Anyone using it in production? Sincerely, Peter Brezny Purplecat Networks Inc. www.purplecat.net -Original Message- From: xSAPPYx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:47 PM To: Peter Brezny Subject: Re: When's FreeBSD going to catch up in the world of virtualization. Thats a loaded question. Some might say that Freebsd has been a leading in virtualization ( jail(8) for example). Support for Zen Dom0 is coming along nicely it seems. If you want VMware hosting support, not really sure what to say there. VMware server is a linux kernel.. starting to get into the middle of linux land if you go down the VMware route. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Peter Brezny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a die hard FreeBSD user. For the past 10 years (since version 2.8 was released) it's been in production on all of my servers. Now however, I'm forced to use linux as the host OS for Vmware as there currently seems to be no current support for FreeBSD as the Host OS for popular VM applications. Is there hope for FreeBSD as a popularly supported virtual machine host, or am I stuck in the multiple disappointments of linsux land. Sincerely, Peter Brezny Purplecat Networks Inc. www.purplecat.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: When's FreeBSD going to catch up in the world of virtualization.
rumour has it VirtualBox might have FreeBSD as host OS coming... and i wount admit i said this :) but i saw a post about a solaris build being available, and it stated FreeBSD maybe coming soon. also you can run XEN or KVM on HVM capable systems and get away from that VMWARE Pain also VirtualBox on linux as host runs FreeBSD guests, I actually have 6 FreeBSD guests running on XEN 3.21 under a Ubuntu Server OS, waiting for an HVM capable box to be delivered so i can test KVM and XEN HVM capabilities. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:00 AM, alexus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is always XEN or worse case scenario is jail On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Simon Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now however, I'm forced to use linux as the host OS for Vmware as there currently seems to be no current support for FreeBSD as the Host OS for popular VM applications. I hear your pain. However, VMware is a commercial company one of whose responsibilities is their bottom line. I have heard it said many, many times on this and other FreeBSD discussions that, if commercial companies hear from the end-users and system administrators, they would pay more attention to the group in question. Sadly, to date I have not seen any organized efforts to bring to VMware's attention the mob of BSD users that are out there, despite all the boastful talks. You also see that there are no (host) support for Open and Net (BSD). OSS virtualization efforts are another story, as there is no bottom line as such. But you still need the manpower and manhours to do complicated stuff like virtualization. SC ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://alexus.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: When's FreeBSD going to catch up in the world of virtualization.
Peter Brezny wrote: I'm a die hard FreeBSD user. For the past 10 years (since version 2.8 was released) it's been in production on all of my servers. Now however, I'm forced to use linux as the host OS for Vmware as there currently seems to be no current support for FreeBSD as the Host OS for popular VM applications. Is there hope for FreeBSD as a popularly supported virtual machine host, or am I stuck in the multiple disappointments of linsux land. I'd say the feature(s) will come when the money comes, so, as long as there's no great commercial interest in FreeBSD, nothing much will be solved. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Virtualization using FreeBSD and AMD-V
Hi folks, I wanna setup a home server to make some lab work, in a simple way just throw some different distributions and test they, like bsd systems and linux/solaris also. Currently I'm doing this running Xen on linux, but i wanna to use FreeBSD to use pf and a more stable system. So anyone used some kind of hardware-virtualization using the new amd processors and amd-v? what software should I use? qemu is just too slow for this work. Thanks in advance, Vinicius ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Virtualization using FreeBSD and AMD-V
Vinicius Vianna wrote: Hi folks, I wanna setup a home server to make some lab work, in a simple way just throw some different distributions and test they, like bsd systems and linux/solaris also. Currently I'm doing this running Xen on linux, but i wanna to use FreeBSD to use pf and a more stable system. So anyone used some kind of hardware-virtualization using the new amd processors and amd-v? what software should I use? qemu is just too slow for this work. Thanks in advance, Vinicius The only way I'm aware of to do this on FreeBSD is to use qemu with the lkvm module from http://feanor.sssup.it/~fabio/freebsd/lkvm/ - I haven't had any success with it (qemu crashed shortly after starting) but it might just have not liked my amd64 installation. The other thing that has worked for me in the past is kqemu in ports - it enables qemu to run a /lot/ faster by running code natively instead of having to interpret each instruction. -- Bruce ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OSS Virtualization options ...
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Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
wrt to QEMU,i don't think is fast enough to make it worth it - i think you'd
gain more by moving a bit to the side of freebsd for the host and using other
options (linux+ Vmware + freebsd as guest)
I meant this in the context of using QEMU to run multiple simultaneous VMs for
server virtualisation. I think it works OK(ish) for , say, running Windows on
your bsd boxbut i don't think you can compare it to something like Xen or
VMWare or MS Virtual Server
probably a bit behind Qemu in speed would be BOCHS, though I think it is a bit
more flexible wrt to the machines emulated.
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Re: OSS Virtualization options ...
On Thursday 20 December 2007 12:54:36 Norberto Meijome wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:43:22 +1100 Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wrt to QEMU,i don't think is fast enough to make it worth it - i think you'd gain more by moving a bit to the side of freebsd for the host and using other options (linux+ Vmware + freebsd as guest) I meant this in the context of using QEMU to run multiple simultaneous VMs for server virtualisation. I think it works OK(ish) for , say, running Windows on your bsd boxbut i don't think you can compare it to something like Xen or VMWare or MS Virtual Server probably a bit behind Qemu in speed would be BOCHS, though I think it is a bit more flexible wrt to the machines emulated. Hi Mark and Norberto, Mark, what do you need to virtualize and what your requirements are? I think the question about virtualization is far too broad. For example, you mentioned quotas. I think you can bypass storage control problems, using seperate devices for each client filesystem. Just create n vnode md(4) devices for your n jails. This has another advantage besides partitioning storage. Since UFS supports sparse files, only used blocks will occupy storage space, thus you don't have to preallocate all storage. HTH a bit, Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OSS Virtualization options ...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, December 20, 2007 14:57:41 +0200 Nikos Vassiliadis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, what do you need to virtualize and what your requirements are? As mentioned in my original, we provide VPS hosting, so we're virtualizating the whole virtual machine ... I think the question about virtualization is far too broad. For example, you mentioned quotas. I think you can bypass storage control problems, using seperate devices for each client filesystem. Just create n vnode md(4) devices for your n jails. This has another advantage besides partitioning storage. Since UFS supports sparse files, only used blocks will occupy storage space, thus you don't have to preallocate all storage. Again, as mentioned in the original, the problem isn't quotaing the whole VPS, the problem is software (in this case, plesk) that seems to have a requirement to set a hard quota *within* the VPS itself, which isn't supported, currently, by jails ... In the past, for quotaing 'the whole VPS', I had tried the whole md(4) device idea, but found that insufficent inodes were being created for to do much, and no matter what I tried with newfs, couldn't seem to get more to be created, as if, due to the small size of the device, a 'max ratio' was being hit ... but, this was way back on 4.x when I tried that ... - Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHanSx4QvfyHIvDvMRAsSMAJ0XEYjZI5ELwFeilPGMrr7LXvFGrACeMF4V 4zmuT2vbGDIOdjGQwbSLjk4= =EGiy -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OSS Virtualization options ...
On Thursday 20 December 2007 15:57:05 Marc G. Fournier wrote: I think the question about virtualization is far too broad. For example, you mentioned quotas. I think you can bypass storage control problems, using seperate devices for each client filesystem. Just create n vnode md(4) devices for your n jails. This has another advantage besides partitioning storage. Since UFS supports sparse files, only used blocks will occupy storage space, thus you don't have to preallocate all storage. Again, as mentioned in the original, the problem isn't quotaing the whole VPS, the problem is software (in this case, plesk) that seems to have a requirement to set a hard quota *within* the VPS itself, which isn't supported, currently, by jails ... In the past, for quotaing 'the whole VPS', I had tried the whole md(4) device idea, but found that insufficent inodes were being created for to do much, and no matter what I tried with newfs, couldn't seem to get more to be created, as if, due to the small size of the device, a 'max ratio' was being hit ... but, this was way back on 4.x when I tried that ... UFS2 does not initialize inodes at newfs time as UFS did. So, things are much better now! root:0:~# truncate -s 10G jail.00 root:0:~# mdconfig -at vnode -f jail.00 md0 root:0:~# newfs md0 /dev/md0: 10240.0MB (20971520 sectors) block size 16384, fragment size 2048 using 56 cylinder groups of 183.77MB, 11761 blks, 23552 inodes. super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at: 160, 376512, 752864, 1129216, 1505568, ... root:0:~# ls -ls jail.00 4592 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 10737418240 Dec 20 16:21 jail.00 4.5MB for a 10GB filesystems is fine, isn't it? Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, December 20, 2007 16:37:19 +0200 Nikos Vassiliadis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UFS2 does not initialize inodes at newfs time as UFS did. So, things are much better now! root:0:~# truncate -s 10G jail.00 root:0:~# mdconfig -at vnode -f jail.00 md0 root:0:~# newfs md0 /dev/md0: 10240.0MB (20971520 sectors) block size 16384, fragment size 2048 using 56 cylinder groups of 183.77MB, 11761 blks, 23552 inodes. super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at: 160, 376512, 752864, 1129216, 1505568, ... root:0:~# ls -ls jail.00 4592 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 10737418240 Dec 20 16:21 jail.00 4.5MB for a 10GB filesystems is fine, isn't it? 'k, but that still doesn't address the problem ... being able to setquota's on directories within a jail environment ... or does it? Note that I'm not looking to quota the VPS itself, only allow software *in* the VPS to set quotas ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHawZW4QvfyHIvDvMRAljqAKDFNe1n3SwNtpoBI00NClVmjXNOJgCfffDk SvamRIK3q+tqUBsp2AarpQ4= =OnvR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:18:30 -0400
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'k, but that still doesn't address the problem ... being able to setquota's
on
directories within a jail environment ... or does it?
Note that I'm not looking to quota the VPS itself, only allow software *in*
the
VPS to set quotas ...
Marc,
I've personally given up on Plesk ;) if you want to find out more what it's
doing, maybe you can run apache with only 1 thread and attach ktrace to it and
see what plesk's php code is trying to do, and why it dies?
or is it an intrinsic issue with quotas in a jail, that are not allowed? (i
think this is it, yes?) can u install a customised set of libraries in those
jails so that the syscall that are failing return whatever plesk expects (even
if it doesn't effectively do anything ? ) ...
cheers,
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi ... Right now, I'm using jail to provide VPS solutions, but have found some situations where jail just doesn't work (recently, tried Plesk and due to it trying to 'set hard quota', found that jail+plesk doesn't work too well) ... So, I'm trying to figure out what is available out there that would allow running multiple FreeBSD (or other OS) environments on the same physical server ... I just took a quick look at qemu, which appears easy enough to use, but my feel from a quick scan of: http://people.freebsd.org/~maho/qemu/qemu.html is that running multiple networked images night not be particularly easy (or even doable) due to the bridging ... has anyone else tried this? Is there something else that might prove a better solution? Thank you ... - Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHagwU4QvfyHIvDvMRAqZyAJ93U/uRP01gKNk0IZV2Dm2ssL1xiQCdG3wf GdS+wefDk0ZJpOg0saRuSMo= =DIMn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OSS Virtualization options ...
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Hi ...
Right now, I'm using jail to provide VPS solutions, but have found some
situations where jail just doesn't work (recently, tried Plesk and due to it
trying to 'set hard quota', found that jail+plesk doesn't work too well) ...
So, I'm trying to figure out what is available out there that would allow
running multiple FreeBSD (or other OS) environments on the same physical
server
...
I just took a quick look at qemu, which appears easy enough to use, but my
feel from a quick scan of:
http://people.freebsd.org/~maho/qemu/qemu.html
is that running multiple networked images night not be particularly easy
(or
even doable) due to the bridging ... has anyone else tried this? Is there
something else that might prove a better solution?
hi Marc,
- where do you want FBSD to run - as the host (or dom0 in Xen), or as the
guest?
If as host, i think Xen may be the closest one to reality, though I think it's
not there yet (FBSD is supported for domU). You could use NetBSD though, i
think,and of course, linux.
Alternatively, I have been using for a while already this combination of Centos
as the host + VMWare Server (which is not OSS, but is free as in beer). FreeBSD
will run just fine under it.
Other options which are built upon OSS though proprietary in the sense that the
products built are not released (i think, i'd love to be proven wrong!) are
Amazon's EC2 (still in beta, i think) and 3Tera's AppLogic - AFAIK both of them
are built upon Xen, and only Linux guests are supported at this time.
wrt to QEMU,i don't think is fast enough to make it worth it - i think you'd
gain more by moving a bit to the side of freebsd for the host and using other
options (linux+ Vmware + freebsd as guest)
I'd very much appreciate if you could keep us / me :) posted on what you find -
I shall do the same if I come across anything interesting.
Best regards,
B
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Re: Virtualization
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 02:09:20 +
John Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I found a clue to a cure, but qemu was dropping cores when I tried it
recently. Tried bochs too; I quite like it.
Hi john,
how do you find bochs compared to qemu, in relation to speed and features?
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Re: Virtualization
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:21:41 +1100 Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 02:09:20 + John Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found a clue to a cure, but qemu was dropping cores when I tried it recently. Tried bochs too; I quite like it. Hi john, how do you find bochs compared to qemu, in relation to speed and features? cheers, Hi Norberto, I haven't done any speed measurements, but qemu seems a lot faster. It may be possible to make bochs use real memory, but qemu defaulting to use it is bound to make a lot of difference. I miss the 'lights' in boch's status bar though... -- Thanks, John. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Erik Osterholm wrote: On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 11:57:20PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: There's a donation box on http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/2007cb.html for developers to get VMWare Workstation working on FreeBSD but the status of the project is unknown. There's also some indication someone is working on VirtualBox but that's probably in very early stages (and besides that, VirtualBox doesn't work reliably). I have to disagree with the last VirtualBox comment. It seems to work quite well for the operating systems it supports (mostly Linux and Windows as guests.) Sadly, FreeBSD as a guest just doesn't seem to fly. From the sounds of it, if you're looking to host other server environments, FreeBSD isn't a solution to really consider. If you're looking to just test some configurations periodically, FreeBSD has some options, but not as many as Linux :-( Thanks for the information, everyone. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, Bart Silverstrim wrote: I was curious with the information coming out regarding FreeBSD 7 what option are available for virtualizing other OS's using FreeBSD as a host. I've been running several servers (Windows of various versions and a Linux system) as virtual machines under VMWare Server for Linux for about a year now. I remember there were some problems with trying to get FreeBSD to run VMWare previously? Is anyone virtualizing systems using a FreeBSD host, and if so what are you using? Or is FreeBSD primarily just useful for being a virtual guest if it isn't on the physical machine? I can recommend emulators/qemu . It isn't really fast, but stable. A good choice to test software or network setups, runs (o.k. strolls along) on i386 and amd64. Greetings, Uli. Peter Ulrich Kruppa Wuppertal Germany ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 31/10/2007, Erik Osterholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 11:57:20PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: There's a donation box on http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/2007cb.html for developers to get VMWare Workstation working on FreeBSD but the status of the project is unknown. There's also some indication someone is working on VirtualBox but that's probably in very early stages (and besides that, VirtualBox doesn't work reliably). I have to disagree with the last VirtualBox comment. It seems to work quite well for the operating systems it supports (mostly Linux and Windows as guests.) Sadly, FreeBSD as a guest just doesn't seem to fly. True, interpretation of my comment should be constrained by the fact that I was implicitly thinking of FreeBSD as a guest. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:57:20 +0100 Ivan Voras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bart Silverstrim wrote: I was curious with the information coming out regarding FreeBSD 7 what option are available for virtualizing other OS's using FreeBSD as a host. Extremely limited. I've been running several servers (Windows of various versions and a Linux system) as virtual machines under VMWare Server for Linux for about a year now. I remember there were some problems with trying to get FreeBSD to run VMWare previously? It's possible some early VMWare products (Like VMWare Workstation 3) work on FreeBSD 7, but a) you can't buy that products any more and b) you probably wouldn't want to use them even if you did. The only approximately useful option is Qemu, but it's slow and may not work on AMD64. There's a donation box on http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/2007cb.html for developers to get VMWare Workstation working on FreeBSD but the status of the project is unknown. There's also some indication someone is working on VirtualBox but that's probably in very early stages (and besides that, VirtualBox doesn't work reliably). The status seems to be Status: CLAIMED by Orlando Bassotto - currently in progress. which looks good because he did a lot of work on porting VMware 3.x I think. I found a clue to a cure, but qemu was dropping cores when I tried it recently. Tried bochs too; I quite like it. I also installed qemu-launcher, but haven't tried it partly because it seems to be missing qemuctl and I can't even even extract files from the Linux tar.gz blush. -- Thanks, John. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 6.2-RELEASE vmware compiled without problems from ports collection. You just need kernel sources to be installed. Actually in addition you need to retrieve a key from vmware to unlock the vmware workstation. I was not able to find out a free solution longer than for a testing period (of 30 days as far as I remember). Anyhow for me connecting to a windows server using rdesktop was an alternative to emulationg windows with wmware. greez, Tino Am Dienstag 30 Oktober 2007 13:03 schrieb Bart Silverstrim: I was curious with the information coming out regarding FreeBSD 7 what option are available for virtualizing other OS's using FreeBSD as a host. I've been running several servers (Windows of various versions and a Linux system) as virtual machines under VMWare Server for Linux for about a year now. I remember there were some problems with trying to get FreeBSD to run VMWare previously? Is anyone virtualizing systems using a FreeBSD host, and if so what are you using? Or is FreeBSD primarily just useful for being a virtual guest if it isn't on the physical machine? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp76xDOLZJOG.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Bart Silverstrim wrote: I was curious with the information coming out regarding FreeBSD 7 what option are available for virtualizing other OS's using FreeBSD as a host. Extremely limited. I've been running several servers (Windows of various versions and a Linux system) as virtual machines under VMWare Server for Linux for about a year now. I remember there were some problems with trying to get FreeBSD to run VMWare previously? It's possible some early VMWare products (Like VMWare Workstation 3) work on FreeBSD 7, but a) you can't buy that products any more and b) you probably wouldn't want to use them even if you did. The only approximately useful option is Qemu, but it's slow and may not work on AMD64. There's a donation box on http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/2007cb.html for developers to get VMWare Workstation working on FreeBSD but the status of the project is unknown. There's also some indication someone is working on VirtualBox but that's probably in very early stages (and besides that, VirtualBox doesn't work reliably). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Virtualization of FreeBSD
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:47:42 +0300
Thanos Rizoulis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One serious tip about Vmware, is that when selecting disks, you can
select a *physical* disk instead of a virtual and proceed with
installation on that physical disk. Or you can keep a freebsd server
installed on a virtual disk, then connect a physical disk on the same VM
and dump/restore as you please. It has been tested with over 7GB OS
installs and works like a charm.
cool, i knew about using the physical disk option, but hadn't used it for
restore/dump :)
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O/H Norberto Meijome έγραψε: you mean problems with the lnc0 , as seen by FBSD in the VM? interesting, i've never had any problems, but I run VMWare server under Centos 4. I'll give the e1000 a try :) thx for the tip. send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Under various versions of vmware, lnc0 just choked and caused disconnection under the first few seconds in a simple stress situation (eg a 4MB file transfer over SSH, or some equal samba file transfer). The em driver was the solution to all these problems. If I remember correctly, selecting a x64 edition of guest OS or selecting 2 CPU cores, provides you directly with em instead of lnc. My opinion about MS virtual PC is that it gave me the once in a lifetime opportunity to capture a full BSOD in bitmap file. I put it as a desktop in a public PC, and laughed as everyone kept pressing Ctrl-Alt-Del. I dumped MS virtual PC shortly after. One serious tip about Vmware, is that when selecting disks, you can select a *physical* disk instead of a virtual and proceed with installation on that physical disk. Or you can keep a freebsd server installed on a virtual disk, then connect a physical disk on the same VM and dump/restore as you please. It has been tested with over 7GB OS installs and works like a charm. -- RTFM and STFW before anything bad happens _ Thanos Rizoulis Electronic Computing Systems Engineer Larissa, Greece FreeBSD/PCBSD user ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Virtualization of FreeBSD
Le 07/06/2007 à 00:09:31-0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit At 07:45 PM 6/6/2007, Sean Murphy wrote: Is anyone running virtualization of FreeBSD servers on VMware or other virtualization software? What experiences have you had, good or bad? Been wanting to ask the same... I've heard of virt' software for some time but didn't realize what it could really do. Then on a tip, I started playing with micros$$ts Virtual PC a couple weeks ago. Wow! It runs windoze 2000 and FreeBSD apparently fine on a windoze 2000 host. In the last couple weeks I've been doing a lot of experimentation with FreeBSD and Samba and windoze that I've been procrastinating about for lack of a spare box to run things on. Very impressive for free stuff from the evil empire :) But from what I've heard, VMware has better performance. And there are some things in ports (qemu?) also. For my purposes Billy's product is working well, but I'd like to hear of better things, esp those that run on windoze, which I'm stuck with for my desktop boxen. From many years I've running perfectly many FreeBSD guest on a vmware-linux host. I've no problem. Every thing is rock-stable. Something you need to known : 1/ vmware (and Virtual PC) said there Virtual System can run any x86 OS. It's not true. Sometime you need a new version of vmware-software to run a new version of the Linux/FreeBSD. 2/ vmware have release a free version of vmware-server, try and you can known ;-) 3/ vmware software run on Linux/Windows, but the guest can be «anything» (see point 1) 4/ You loose only 5-10% on CPU performance on a guest. 5/ You loose much much more on the I/O disk performance, for production it's good idea to have a very high speed disk on the host. In my point of vue vmware is very fine thing for running many OS (different) on same computer. If you want run only FreeBSD, you can use jail technologie (man jail) it's very different technics (you have only one kernel for many instance of FreeBSD). Regards. -- Albert SHIH Observatoire de Paris Meudon SIO batiment 15 Heure local/Local time: Jeu 7 jui 2007 10:29:34 CEST ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Virtualization of FreeBSD
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:18:16 -0400
Maxim Khitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You mean the info in general, or the e1000 part? I never had any
errors in my Windows sys log. However, if you use the default network
adapter you will have problems. I don't remember what the exact error
is, but I remember that when downloading the ports tree, for example,
it will periodically interrupt the transfer. Something about dropped
packets, or something else like that. Never had problems with e1000,
but the network only seems to perform at about 1/2 of what the host OS
can handle.
you mean problems with the lnc0 , as seen by FBSD in the VM? interesting, i've
never had any problems, but I run VMWare server under Centos 4.
I'll give the e1000 a try :) thx for the tip.
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Re: Virtualization of FreeBSD
Norberto Meijome wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:18:16 -0400
Maxim Khitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You mean the info in general, or the e1000 part? I never had any
errors in my Windows sys log. However, if you use the default network
adapter you will have problems. I don't remember what the exact error
is, but I remember that when downloading the ports tree, for example,
it will periodically interrupt the transfer. Something about dropped
packets, or something else like that. Never had problems with e1000,
but the network only seems to perform at about 1/2 of what the host OS
can handle.
you mean problems with the lnc0 , as seen by FBSD in the VM? interesting, i've
never had any problems, but I run VMWare server under Centos 4.
I'll give the e1000 a try :) thx for the tip.
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The em driver will only be getting better in 6.x soon, because
there's going to be a backport from CURRENT taking place in the near future.
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Re: Virtualization of FreeBSD
On 6/6/07, Sean Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone running virtualization of FreeBSD servers on VMware or other virtualization software? What experiences have you had, good or bad? At home I run have several FreeBSD installs running on Windows 2003 VMWare Server. The only reason I'm doing this is because FreeBSD doesn't support my raid controller, so I'm stuck with windows. Overall it works fine. However, you do have terrible disk (and to a lesser extent network) performance. I use these installs mostly for developing and testing software, so it's not a big deal for me. Here are a few tips for getting the most out of a FreeBSD server on VMWare (this is for Windows only): - If you have enough memory, add prefvmx.minVmMemPct = 100 and prefvmx.useRecommendedLockedMemSize = TRUE to VMWare config.ini (App Data under All Users). That will keep all the VM memory in ram instead of swapping it to the disk. The rest of the settings go into your FreeBSD.vmx file. - Disable named memory file: mainMem.useNamedFile = FALSE - Disable page sharing: sched.mem.pshare.enable = FALSE - Disable memory trimming: MemTrimRate = 0 - Be sure to use Intel gigabit network adapter: ethernet0.virtualDev = e1000 In previous versions of VMWare Server you had to configure your kern.hz sysctl to be 100. Otherwise your clock would run very slow. I think they fixed it in the latest version, but just keep that in mind. Disk performance is quite bad. For example, doing a full extract of the ports tree takes my server around 16 minutes. On my old laptop with a crappy hard drive it takes only 8 or so minutes. So that's something to keep in mind, you're not going to be able to use VMs as a file server. For most other uses it works fine. - Max ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Virtualization of FreeBSD
On Wednesday 06 June 2007 19:11:16 Maxim Khitrov wrote: On 6/6/07, Sean Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone running virtualization of FreeBSD servers on VMware or other virtualization software? What experiences have you had, good or bad? At home I run have several FreeBSD installs running on Windows 2003 VMWare Server. The only reason I'm doing this is because FreeBSD doesn't support my raid controller, so I'm stuck with windows. Overall it works fine. However, you do have terrible disk (and to a lesser extent network) performance. I use these installs mostly for developing and testing software, so it's not a big deal for me. Here are a few tips for getting the most out of a FreeBSD server on VMWare (this is for Windows only): - If you have enough memory, add prefvmx.minVmMemPct = 100 and prefvmx.useRecommendedLockedMemSize = TRUE to VMWare config.ini (App Data under All Users). That will keep all the VM memory in ram instead of swapping it to the disk. The rest of the settings go into your FreeBSD.vmx file. - Disable named memory file: mainMem.useNamedFile = FALSE - Disable page sharing: sched.mem.pshare.enable = FALSE - Disable memory trimming: MemTrimRate = 0 - Be sure to use Intel gigabit network adapter: ethernet0.virtualDev = e1000 In previous versions of VMWare Server you had to configure your kern.hz sysctl to be 100. Otherwise your clock would run very slow. I think they fixed it in the latest version, but just keep that in mind. Disk performance is quite bad. For example, doing a full extract of the ports tree takes my server around 16 minutes. On my old laptop with a crappy hard drive it takes only 8 or so minutes. So that's something to keep in mind, you're not going to be able to use VMs as a file server. For most other uses it works fine. - Max ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] i too used to run 4 FreeBSDs in VMware server, they ran great for me, i ran 2 DNS servers, an apache server, and a sendmail server. performance was acceptable. my VMware host was suse 10.1. sean, you might also take a look at jails for freebsd. conceptually, its a lot like virtualization, altho it does have its differences. once you get your jails up and running, you really wouldnt know the difference, and performance is basically as fast as the host computer can go. cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Virtualization of FreeBSD
On 6/6/07, Mikel King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/6/07, Sean Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone running virtualization of FreeBSD servers on VMware or other virtualization software? What experiences have you had, good or bad? At home I run have several FreeBSD installs running on Windows 2003 VMWare Server. The only reason I'm doing this is because FreeBSD doesn't support my raid controller, so I'm stuck with windows. Overall it works fine. However, you do have terrible disk (and to a lesser extent network) performance. I use these installs mostly for developing and testing software, so it's not a big deal for me. Here are a few tips for getting the most out of a FreeBSD server on VMWare (this is for Windows only): - If you have enough memory, add prefvmx.minVmMemPct = 100 and prefvmx.useRecommendedLockedMemSize = TRUE to VMWare config.ini (App Data under All Users). That will keep all the VM memory in ram instead of swapping it to the disk. The rest of the settings go into your FreeBSD.vmx file. - Disable named memory file: mainMem.useNamedFile = FALSE - Disable page sharing: sched.mem.pshare.enable = FALSE - Disable memory trimming: MemTrimRate = 0 - Be sure to use Intel gigabit network adapter: ethernet0.virtualDev = e1000 In previous versions of VMWare Server you had to configure your kern.hz sysctl to be 100. Otherwise your clock would run very slow. I think they fixed it in the latest version, but just keep that in mind. Disk performance is quite bad. For example, doing a full extract of the ports tree takes my server around 16 minutes. On my old laptop with a crappy hard drive it takes only 8 or so minutes. So that's something to keep in mind, you're not going to be able to use VMs as a file server. For most other uses it works fine. - Max Maxim, Thanks for this useful info. Where ever did you come across this? Ever observe any oddities in the Windows SysLogs regarding LAN adapter errors? Cheers, Mikel You mean the info in general, or the e1000 part? I never had any errors in my Windows sys log. However, if you use the default network adapter you will have problems. I don't remember what the exact error is, but I remember that when downloading the ports tree, for example, it will periodically interrupt the transfer. Something about dropped packets, or something else like that. Never had problems with e1000, but the network only seems to perform at about 1/2 of what the host OS can handle. Most of those configuration options I just gathered over time of reading the VMWare forums, people's blogs, and other places. The disk problem is the only one I couldn't find a decent solution to. I tried using IDE and SCSI disks, but the results are the same. If you read the release notes for VMWare Server, you'll notice that they actually don't claim FreeBSD 6.2 or 6.1 support, only 6.0. I never tested 6.0, but I get the feeling that FreeBSD is in general not very high on VMWare's to-support list. Maybe in the future they'll improve things. Oh one more thing I forgot to mention. After you install FreeBSD, install perl5.8 and then the VMWare tools. That will let you do a clean shutdown of the system by using the off button on VMWare console (more useful when the host OS is going down). However, the script that comes by default with VMWare tools doesn't actually power down the machine. Instead it does shutdown -h, so the thing keeps running. To fix this, open /usr/local/etc/rc.d/vmware-tools.sh, do a search for '--background' and on the next line add '--halt-command /sbin/shutdown -p now'. That will allow the VM to properly shutdown. Keep in mind that because VMWare tools depend on the /proc system to know when it is running, doing things like `vmware-tools.sh status` will not give you accurate information. Instead use `top` to make sure 'vmware-guestd' is in there. - Max ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Virtualization of FreeBSD
At 07:45 PM 6/6/2007, Sean Murphy wrote: Is anyone running virtualization of FreeBSD servers on VMware or other virtualization software? What experiences have you had, good or bad? Been wanting to ask the same... I've heard of virt' software for some time but didn't realize what it could really do. Then on a tip, I started playing with micros$$ts Virtual PC a couple weeks ago. Wow! It runs windoze 2000 and FreeBSD apparently fine on a windoze 2000 host. In the last couple weeks I've been doing a lot of experimentation with FreeBSD and Samba and windoze that I've been procrastinating about for lack of a spare box to run things on. Very impressive for free stuff from the evil empire :) But from what I've heard, VMware has better performance. And there are some things in ports (qemu?) also. For my purposes Billy's product is working well, but I'd like to hear of better things, esp those that run on windoze, which I'm stuck with for my desktop boxen. -RW ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Virtualization of FreeBSD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:45 PM 6/6/2007, Sean Murphy wrote: Is anyone running virtualization of FreeBSD servers on VMware or other virtualization software? What experiences have you had, good or bad? Been wanting to ask the same... I've heard of virt' software for some time but didn't realize what it could really do. Then on a tip, I started playing with micros$$ts Virtual PC a couple weeks ago. Wow! It runs windoze 2000 and FreeBSD apparently fine on a windoze 2000 host. In the last couple weeks I've been doing a lot of experimentation with FreeBSD and Samba and windoze that I've been procrastinating about for lack of a spare box to run things on. Very impressive for free stuff from the evil empire :) But from what I've heard, VMware has better performance. And there are some things in ports (qemu?) also. For my purposes Billy's product is working well, but I'd like to hear of better things, esp those that run on windoze, which I'm stuck with for my desktop boxen. -RW The pecking order works like so IMHO under Windows: 1. VMWare. 2. M$ VPC. 3. Qemu. -Vmware has the best performance overall from what I've seen, and has 64-bit support on 64-bit processors, so it wins hands down. -M$ VPC has better performance than Qemu from what I've seen, but only has 32-bit support, so that's out. -Getting Qemu started on Windows (at least for me), was a pain in the a$$. I eventually gave up because it was so slow and the hardware virtualization wasn't that great. I run CURRENT and 6.2-RELEASE on my desktop under Windows because hardware support for all my devices isn't quite there yet, and for development. It's ok, except when I do CPU intensive tasks, where the virtual CPU clock per VM skews a lot/slows down, and this screws up shutting down the VMs (they get stuck before FS syncing's started). Solution is to run ntpdate before shutdown, to update the VM time. I'm running VMware server on XP x64 with 4GB of RAM and a Core 2 Duo 6700 CPU. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: runing FreeBSD on WinXP using free PC virtualization software
On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 10:27:11AM +0600, ashadul hoque wrote: Is there any free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP? QEMU: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~qemu-win/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: runing FreeBSD on WinXP using free PC virtualization software
ashadul hoque wrote: Hello everyone, Is there any free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP? I tried google and it looks like there is no free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP. regards Ashadul ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Micriosoft Virtual PC works. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: runing FreeBSD on WinXP using free PC virtualization software
Virtual PC works really well too, but the original poster asked about 'free' options...honestly, I prefer MS Virtual PC to Bochs at this point, at least on my Mac; but Bochs is coming along nicely. On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:59:59 -0400, Aaron Myles Landwehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ashadul hoque wrote: Hello everyone, Is there any free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP? I tried google and it looks like there is no free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP. regards Ashadul ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Micriosoft Virtual PC works. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- James W. Thompson, II (New Orleans, LA) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: runing FreeBSD on WinXP using free PC virtualization software
i know its not free but vmware must be an option arden On Sun, 2004-07-18 at 17:27, James W. Thompson, II wrote: Virtual PC works really well too, but the original poster asked about 'free' options...honestly, I prefer MS Virtual PC to Bochs at this point, at least on my Mac; but Bochs is coming along nicely. On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:59:59 -0400, Aaron Myles Landwehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ashadul hoque wrote: Hello everyone, Is there any free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP? I tried google and it looks like there is no free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP. regards Ashadul ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Micriosoft Virtual PC works. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello everyone, Is there any free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP? I tried google and it looks like there is no free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP. regards Ashadul ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: runing FreeBSD on WinXP using free PC virtualization software
You could run it in Bochs. Check out the project at http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ I use it on my Mac and it works fine. On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:27:11 +0600, ashadul hoque [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, Is there any free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP? I tried google and it looks like there is no free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP. regards Ashadul ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- James W. Thompson, II (New Orleans, LA) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
