Re: Where to FreeBSD Boot Manager?
On 8/22/05, Jerahmy Pocott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/08/2005, at 11:22 AM, Garrett Cooper wrote: Yes, XP does have a boot manager, and I suppose I should have listed some available options when I originally replied to the email. Just thought that someone was making a split decision during an install and needed quick help. [...] As to 3s Con, I'm not entirely sure you have to install the bootloader.. I think you can install a standard bootstrap, then using dd copy it and have the NT loader use it to boot the system, removing the two layers of boot manager.. I did this before with NT, but it was a while ago and I don't really remember the exact steps you need to take, but there is probably something about it you can google.. The XP loader is configured just as the NT loader. Instructions for using it in both single-disk and two-disk dual-boot configurations are at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#NT-BOOTLOADER The instructions require that you install the FreeBSD boot manager if you are using the NT boot manager for a two-disk boot, but I think that you can overwrite it with the standard MBR after you have everything configured. Or perhaps I misunderstand: I've never used the NT loader to do a 2-disk configuration with FreeBSD. In any case, for a two disk configuration it is easier to just use the FreeBSD boot manager and not mess with the NT/XP boot manager. Of course using the FreeBSD manager is the much easier and simpler option, just some people seem to like the NT one better.. The NT boot manager is prettier, but for a two-disk system, setting it up is probably more trouble than it is worth. I believe the NT boot manager always defaults to the same system, while the FreeBSD boot manager defaults to the system most recently used. That might affect your choice. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to FreeBSD Boot Manager?
Oops, this is the very link that I was looking for. Thanks a lot! Soo-Hyun On 8/24/05, Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/22/05, Jerahmy Pocott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/08/2005, at 11:22 AM, Garrett Cooper wrote: Yes, XP does have a boot manager, and I suppose I should have listed some available options when I originally replied to the email. Just thought that someone was making a split decision during an install and needed quick help. [...] As to 3s Con, I'm not entirely sure you have to install the bootloader.. I think you can install a standard bootstrap, then using dd copy it and have the NT loader use it to boot the system, removing the two layers of boot manager.. I did this before with NT, but it was a while ago and I don't really remember the exact steps you need to take, but there is probably something about it you can google.. The XP loader is configured just as the NT loader. Instructions for using it in both single-disk and two-disk dual-boot configurations are at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#NT-BOOTLOADER The instructions require that you install the FreeBSD boot manager if you are using the NT boot manager for a two-disk boot, but I think that you can overwrite it with the standard MBR after you have everything configured. Or perhaps I misunderstand: I've never used the NT loader to do a 2-disk configuration with FreeBSD. In any case, for a two disk configuration it is easier to just use the FreeBSD boot manager and not mess with the NT/XP boot manager. Of course using the FreeBSD manager is the much easier and simpler option, just some people seem to like the NT one better.. The NT boot manager is prettier, but for a two-disk system, setting it up is probably more trouble than it is worth. I believe the NT boot manager always defaults to the same system, while the FreeBSD boot manager defaults to the system most recently used. That might affect your choice. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to FreeBSD Boot Manager?
Thanks to those who replied to this thread! Regards, Soo-Hyun On 8/22/05, Garrett Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 21, 2005, at 6:10 PM, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: On 22/08/2005, at 12:17 AM, Soo-Hyun Choi wrote: Hi, I'm trying to install FreeBSD on my system which has two separate HDD (each has 40GB). I am already using the first drive (e.g., C drive) only for Window XP and now would like to install FreeBSD on the second drive (e.g., D drive). Which drive should I install the FreeBSD Boot Manager? That really depends on how you want to do it.. If you want the use boot manager that comes with FreeBSD you will need to install it on the primary disk (C drive).. I don't really know much about XP, but isn't it based on NT? The NT system also has its own boot manager which you could use instead.. But XP might not have it.. Yes, XP does have a boot manager, and I suppose I should have listed some available options when I originally replied to the email. Just thought that someone was making a split decision during an install and needed quick help. You have a few choices: 1. FreeBSD boot manager Pro: Can install just one boot manager out of the box and it takes care of detecting all of the partitions Con: If you don't like FreeBSD anymore, no more boot manager. 2. GRUB Pro: Plays nicely with Linux. Con: Still need to install FreeBSD bootloader in the boot sector of the FreeBSD partition. 3. NT bootloader Pro: Stuff's managed through XP (if you like that). Con: Still need to install FreeBSD bootloader in the boot sector of the FreeBSD partition. There's also LILO with a similar argument to grub, but anytime your Windows partition changes, you have to reinstall LILO. Also, the NTLoader option doesn't play nice with Linux upgrades if you might use Linux in tandem with FreeBSD in the future. Just some thoughts... -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to FreeBSD Boot Manager?
On 22/08/2005, at 11:22 AM, Garrett Cooper wrote: Yes, XP does have a boot manager, and I suppose I should have listed some available options when I originally replied to the email. Just thought that someone was making a split decision during an install and needed quick help. You have a few choices: 1. FreeBSD boot manager Pro: Can install just one boot manager out of the box and it takes care of detecting all of the partitions Con: If you don't like FreeBSD anymore, no more boot manager. 2. GRUB Pro: Plays nicely with Linux. Con: Still need to install FreeBSD bootloader in the boot sector of the FreeBSD partition. 3. NT bootloader Pro: Stuff's managed through XP (if you like that). Con: Still need to install FreeBSD bootloader in the boot sector of the FreeBSD partition. As to 3s Con, I'm not entirely sure you have to install the bootloader.. I think you can install a standard bootstrap, then using dd copy it and have the NT loader use it to boot the system, removing the two layers of boot manager.. I did this before with NT, but it was a while ago and I don't really remember the exact steps you need to take, but there is probably something about it you can google.. Of course using the FreeBSD manager is the much easier and simpler option, just some people seem to like the NT one better.. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Where to FreeBSD Boot Manager?
Hi, I'm trying to install FreeBSD on my system which has two separate HDD (each has 40GB). I am already using the first drive (e.g., C drive) only for Window XP and now would like to install FreeBSD on the second drive (e.g., D drive). Which drive should I install the FreeBSD Boot Manager? Thank you. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to FreeBSD Boot Manager?
Soo-Hyun Choi wrote: Hi, I'm trying to install FreeBSD on my system which has two separate HDD (each has 40GB). I am already using the first drive (e.g., C drive) only for Window XP and now would like to install FreeBSD on the second drive (e.g., D drive). Which drive should I install the FreeBSD Boot Manager? Thank you. Your primary 1st channel IDE drive-the one you have devoted for Windows use-unless you plan on using a bootdisk to startup FreeBSD :). -Garrett ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to FreeBSD Boot Manager?
Garrett Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Soo-Hyun Choi wrote: Which drive should I install the FreeBSD Boot Manager? Thank you. Your primary 1st channel IDE drive-the one you have devoted for Windows use-unless you plan on using a bootdisk to startup FreeBSD :). If you have or can install a fancy boot manager (i.e., not FreeBSD's), starting in the MBR of the first disk, then you can sometimes do without a BM on the second disk, but if you're going to use a normal FreeBSD disk layout and you don't have a fancy BM, then you'll normally want a FreeBSD Boot Manager in the MBR of both disks. The first one lets you boot from the partitions on the first disk or start the second disk's MBR from which you can boot FreeBSD. Except I don't know about dual booting with MSFT OSes. I've read it's possible with the FreeBSD BM. The list archives have info on that. Garrett: I got my BSEE from your school before it became the MSFT Academy. :) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to FreeBSD Boot Manager?
On 22/08/2005, at 12:17 AM, Soo-Hyun Choi wrote: Hi, I'm trying to install FreeBSD on my system which has two separate HDD (each has 40GB). I am already using the first drive (e.g., C drive) only for Window XP and now would like to install FreeBSD on the second drive (e.g., D drive). Which drive should I install the FreeBSD Boot Manager? That really depends on how you want to do it.. If you want the use boot manager that comes with FreeBSD you will need to install it on the primary disk (C drive).. I don't really know much about XP, but isn't it based on NT? The NT system also has its own boot manager which you could use instead.. But XP might not have it.. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to FreeBSD Boot Manager?
On Aug 21, 2005, at 6:10 PM, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: On 22/08/2005, at 12:17 AM, Soo-Hyun Choi wrote: Hi, I'm trying to install FreeBSD on my system which has two separate HDD (each has 40GB). I am already using the first drive (e.g., C drive) only for Window XP and now would like to install FreeBSD on the second drive (e.g., D drive). Which drive should I install the FreeBSD Boot Manager? That really depends on how you want to do it.. If you want the use boot manager that comes with FreeBSD you will need to install it on the primary disk (C drive).. I don't really know much about XP, but isn't it based on NT? The NT system also has its own boot manager which you could use instead.. But XP might not have it.. Yes, XP does have a boot manager, and I suppose I should have listed some available options when I originally replied to the email. Just thought that someone was making a split decision during an install and needed quick help. You have a few choices: 1. FreeBSD boot manager Pro: Can install just one boot manager out of the box and it takes care of detecting all of the partitions Con: If you don't like FreeBSD anymore, no more boot manager. 2. GRUB Pro: Plays nicely with Linux. Con: Still need to install FreeBSD bootloader in the boot sector of the FreeBSD partition. 3. NT bootloader Pro: Stuff's managed through XP (if you like that). Con: Still need to install FreeBSD bootloader in the boot sector of the FreeBSD partition. There's also LILO with a similar argument to grub, but anytime your Windows partition changes, you have to reinstall LILO. Also, the NTLoader option doesn't play nice with Linux upgrades if you might use Linux in tandem with FreeBSD in the future. Just some thoughts... -Garrett ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where is the Boot Manager?
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 08:50:58PM -0500, John H Hofstetter wrote: The reason I'm asking where the FreeBSD boot manager is because I need to get rid of it, make it go away. This is not because I'm displeased with FreeBSD as an operating system but due to the fact that I'm limited to a 56k dial up and too broke to spend any money at this time on the very reasonably priced CD set. This being the situation and a friend having loaned me a Linux distribution, I opted to scrub, for now the FreeBSD partition and load Linux. Upon scrubbing the non-DOS partition, the boot manager still remains and it won't allow booting to Linux and appears to be interfering with the Linux boot manager. For now I'm using the 30 day demo of BootIt, and I'd like to resolve this boot manager issue before the 30 days are up. I must say I'm impressed with what FreeBSD has to offer and will try a serious full blown install some day. The FreeBSD boot manager resides entirely within the 512b boot block in sector 0 of the disk. You should be able to eliminate it be rewriting the 'Master Boot Record'. Under FreeBSD that's done by: # fdisk -B -b /boot/mbr ad0 where '/boot/mbr' contains a default MBR image. Similarly from an MS Win Dos command line you can run: fdisk /mbr c: Under Linux, one way to do the equivalent is apparently: # lilo -i /boot/boot.b but you'll have to specify the drive to operate on via /etc/lilo.conf. At least, that's the sum of my vague recollection of doing this sort of thing a long time ago and my reading of the Linux man pages. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Where is the Boot Manager?
The reason I'm asking where the FreeBSD boot manager is because I need to get rid of it, make it go away. This is not because I'm displeased with FreeBSD as an operating system but due to the fact that I'm limited to a 56k dial up and too broke to spend any money at this time on the very reasonably priced CD set. This being the situation and a friend having loaned me a Linux distribution, I opted to scrub, for now the FreeBSD partition and load Linux. Upon scrubbing the non-DOS partition, the boot manager still remains and it won't allow booting to Linux and appears to be interfering with the Linux boot manager. For now I'm using the 30 day demo of BootIt, and I'd like to resolve this boot manager issue before the 30 days are up. I must say I'm impressed with what FreeBSD has to offer and will try a serious full blown install some day. Thank you for any help/suggestions on this matter, John Hofstetter To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
