Re: apache permission problem please help

2004-08-25 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik

Apache (propably) runs as the 'www' user and group.

So each file (and path) needs to be readable by

->  the www group
OR  the www users must be a member of the group
of the diretory
OR  the world

And each directory needs the 'x' access flag set.

See the man pages for chmod, chown and chgrp for more details

Example:

drwxr-xr-x  10 dirkx  staff512 Nov 12  2003 swad
-rw-r--r--   1 dirkx  staff 711332 Sep 24  2003 tabellenWADI.pdf

Can be seen by www (world readable and directory has x)

drwxr-x--  10 dirkx  staff512 Nov 12  2003 swad
-rw-r   1 dirkx  staff 711332 Sep 24  2003 tabellenWADI.pdf

Cannot be seen by www UNLESS www is a member of 'staff' (i.e. www is in
the staff line in /etc/group).

drwx  10 dirkx  staff512 Nov 12  2003 swad
-rw-   1 dirkx  staff 711332 Sep 24  2003  tabellenWADI.pdf

Can never be seen by the web server as it runs as 'www'.

Note that the web server needs to traverse the entire path; so for a file
ro dir /home/dirkx/public_html/index.html check:

/
/home
/home/dirkx
/home/dirkx/pulic_html

for an x in world/other or the right group
and the file

/home/dirkx/public_html/index.html

for read. If you want something different read the manual of apache, and
in particular the SUID mode. See also the FAQ of apache.

Dw.
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Re: apache permission problem please help

2004-08-25 Thread RYAN vAN GINNEKEN
Ok as anyone reading this thread knows i have huge mess on hands.  Have
found that if i set the all the users dir to 701
chmod -R 701 home
then go into each users home directory and set the the www directory to 751
cd /home/user
chmod -R 751 www
then change the group permissions of this folder to www
chown -R :www www
apache works again
This is all great but what a pain there must be an easier way as i have
many users and do not want to go through this process for all of them.
This seems like a secure method i think or would the /usr/local/www/user
with a symlink be more secure.  I run a stock freebsd system and do
not really what users poking around have heard about chrooting as an
another option for this I am very confused need some guidance.
side note
I also have all my users in one directory and it is getting large would
like to move some of them into new directories like maybe webclients and
mailclients but i moved one and had to modify the permissions all over
again and update the password database and oh what a nightmare will take
me days.
Nathan Kinkade wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 03:09:04PM -0600, RYAN vAN GINNEKEN wrote:
 

SEE ERROR BELOW
Was playing with permissions on my home dirs last night and changed
everything to chmod 700 had some problem with users looking at and
copying other users webpages.  I have a directory in each users home
dir named www where they keep there web files ie
/usr/home/username/www  so i guess when i changed everything to 700
apache was unable to use these files.
Now i have tried the best i can to change everything back set  to
chmod to 655  and even tried moving a site to /usr/local/www/username
in hope that apache could read it there but no luck what has happened
please help.
Wait now things have started to work, for the web site that i moved to
/usr/local/www/username. There seems to be some lag  after i make
changes to the permissions and restart apache is this possible.
I have a real mess on my hands now guess i will have to play with
permissions and modes now to get all the sites backup.  How do i set
up home directories that are secure for each user ie other users on
the system cannot read them but apache can.  Should i move all web
pages to the /usr/local/www dir.  Also is there some way to automate
this so that when i create a new user or modify a file things will
work correctly.  Have been using UNIX for many years finally got up
the courage to play with modes and perms.  Guess i  shot myself in the
foot like i have been warned about by many people and docs.
   


A better approach would be to set each users home dir itself to 700
permissions, not necessarily all the files and directories in each users
dir. Are you using a httpd.conf directive such as
 to allow users to publish files from
their home dir, or are you putting sym links in the web root?
Nathan
 

I am using the home directory no symlinks

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Re: apache permission problem please help

2004-08-24 Thread Nathan Kinkade
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 03:09:04PM -0600, RYAN vAN GINNEKEN wrote:
> SEE ERROR BELOW
> 
> Was playing with permissions on my home dirs last night and changed
> everything to chmod 700 had some problem with users looking at and
> copying other users webpages.  I have a directory in each users home
> dir named www where they keep there web files ie
> /usr/home/username/www  so i guess when i changed everything to 700
> apache was unable to use these files.
> 
> Now i have tried the best i can to change everything back set  to
> chmod to 655  and even tried moving a site to /usr/local/www/username
> in hope that apache could read it there but no luck what has happened
> please help.
> 
> Wait now things have started to work, for the web site that i moved to
> /usr/local/www/username. There seems to be some lag  after i make
> changes to the permissions and restart apache is this possible.
> 
> I have a real mess on my hands now guess i will have to play with
> permissions and modes now to get all the sites backup.  How do i set
> up home directories that are secure for each user ie other users on
> the system cannot read them but apache can.  Should i move all web
> pages to the /usr/local/www dir.  Also is there some way to automate
> this so that when i create a new user or modify a file things will
> work correctly.  Have been using UNIX for many years finally got up
> the courage to play with modes and perms.  Guess i  shot myself in the
> foot like i have been warned about by many people and docs.


A better approach would be to set each users home dir itself to 700
permissions, not necessarily all the files and directories in each users
dir. Are you using a httpd.conf directive such as
 to allow users to publish files from
their home dir, or are you putting sym links in the web root?

Nathan
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apache permission problem please help

2004-08-24 Thread RYAN vAN GINNEKEN
SEE ERROR BELOW
Was playing with permissions on my home dirs last night and changed
everything to chmod 700 had some problem with users looking at and
copying other users webpages.  I have a directory in each users home dir
named www where they keep there web files ie /usr/home/username/www  so
i guess when i changed everything to 700 apache was unable to use these
files.
Now i have tried the best i can to change everything back set  to chmod
to 655  and even tried moving a site to /usr/local/www/username in hope
that apache could read it there but no luck what has happened please help.
Wait now things have started to work, for the web site that i moved to
/usr/local/www/username. There seems to be some lag  after i make
changes to the permissions and restart apache is this possible.
I have a real mess on my hands now guess i will have to play with
permissions and modes now to get all the sites backup.  How do i set up
home directories that are secure for each user ie other users on the
system cannot read them but apache can.  Should i move all web pages to
the /usr/local/www dir.  Also is there some way to automate this so that
when i create a new user or modify a file things will work correctly.
Have been using UNIX for many years finally got up the courage to play
with modes and perms.  Guess i  shot myself in the foot like i have been
warned about by many people and docs.
PLEASE HELP
 Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use
an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Apache/2.0.49 (Unix) PHP/4.3.5 mod_ssl/2.0.49 OpenSSL/0.9.7d Server at
v2.computerking.ca Port 80
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apache permission problem please help

2004-08-24 Thread RYAN vAN GINNEKEN
SEE ERROR BELOW
Was playing with permissions on my home dirs last night and changed 
everything to chmod 700 had some problem with users looking at and 
copying other users webpages.  I have a directory in each users home dir 
named www where they keep there web files ie /usr/home/username/www  so 
i guess when i changed everything to 700 apache was unable to use these 
files.

Now i have tried the best i can to change everything back set  to chmod 
to 655  and even tried moving a site to /usr/local/www/username in hope 
that apache could read it there but no luck what has happened please help.

Wait now things have started to work, for the web site that i moved to 
/usr/local/www/username. There seems to be some lag  after i make 
changes to the permissions and restart apache is this possible.

I have a real mess on my hands now guess i will have to play with 
permissions and modes now to get all the sites backup.  How do i set up 
home directories that are secure for each user ie other users on the 
system cannot read them but apache can.  Should i move all web pages to 
the /usr/local/www dir.  Also is there some way to automate this so that 
when i create a new user or modify a file things will work correctly.  
Have been using UNIX for many years finally got up the courage to play 
with modes and perms.  Guess i  shot myself in the foot like i have been 
warned about by many people and docs.

PLEASE HELP
 Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use 
an ErrorDocument to handle the request.


Apache/2.0.49 (Unix) PHP/4.3.5 mod_ssl/2.0.49 OpenSSL/0.9.7d Server at 
v2.computerking.ca Port 80

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