Re: as i progress with jails...

2007-04-01 Thread Jonathan Horne
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 00:20:04 -0600
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Apr 1, 2007, at 12:16 AM, James Long wrote:
 
  Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:14:16 -0600
  From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: as i progress with jails...
  To: Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
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  [deleted]
  That needs to be updated per jail.  I use a master jail I nullfs
  mount so I just ave to update userland once but if major etc changes
  happen still have to do that in each
 
  Chad
 
  And is mergemaster useful inside jails, or do changes to jails'
  /etc tree have to be handled manually?
 
 To be honest I have not yet tried.  I tend to do it by hand when  
 things break by not doing it :-)
 
 Chad
 
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after the previous reply to do the 'make installworld DESTDIR=/path/to/jail' 
(which seemed to work great), i just re-entered the jail, switched to /usr/src 
(nullfs mounted from the host, along with /usr/obj), and did mergemaster from 
the jail.  it did identify files that were not up to date with 6.2-RELEASE-p3, 
and hitting 'i' to install them did seem to remove the old, and put in the new 
(example, my /etc/motd was full text again, which i always keep mine cut down 
to just the first 2 lines).

so id say that using mergemaster within the jail is the way to go.

cheers,
jonathan
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Re: as i progress with jails...

2007-03-31 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Apr 1, 2007, at 12:16 AM, James Long wrote:


Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:14:16 -0600
From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: as i progress with jails...
To: Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed


[deleted]

That needs to be updated per jail.  I use a master jail I nullfs
mount so I just ave to update userland once but if major etc changes
happen still have to do that in each

Chad


And is mergemaster useful inside jails, or do changes to jails'
/etc tree have to be handled manually?


To be honest I have not yet tried.  I tend to do it by hand when  
things break by not doing it :-)


Chad

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Re: as i progress with jails...

2007-03-31 Thread James Long
 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:14:16 -0600
 From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: as i progress with jails...
 To: Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
 
[deleted]
 That needs to be updated per jail.  I use a master jail I nullfs  
 mount so I just ave to update userland once but if major etc changes  
 happen still have to do that in each
 
 Chad

And is mergemaster useful inside jails, or do changes to jails'
/etc tree have to be handled manually?
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as i progress with jails...

2007-03-29 Thread Jonathan Horne
to test the behavior of both buildworld and updating ports with portupgrade, i 
started my project over, and rebuilt my jail host as FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE.  
within this, i configured 2 jails, and installed various ports that i run on 
other production systems (actually, i installed from a ports tree that i 
cvsup'd with date 2007.01.01.01.01.01, so that i could legitimately test 
upgrading to todays copy).  today, i cvsup'd the sources on the host to 
6.2-RELEASE-p3, and built world.  i installed world, and rebooted, but did not 
update either of the jails, just to see what would happen with the host running 
p3, and the jails running RELEASE.  to my surprise, both jails were running p3 
when the host came back up.

so what am i missing about jail theory here?  how did that kernel get into my 
jails if i did not install it?  what about the rest of userland?  at what 
version should i expect that to be at, at this point?

thanks,
jonathan
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Re: as i progress with jails...

2007-03-29 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Mar 29, 2007, at 7:10 PM, Jonathan Horne wrote:

to test the behavior of both buildworld and updating ports with  
portupgrade, i started my project over, and rebuilt my jail host as  
FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE.  within this, i configured 2 jails, and  
installed various ports that i run on other production systems  
(actually, i installed from a ports tree that i cvsup'd with date  
2007.01.01.01.01.01, so that i could legitimately test upgrading to  
todays copy).  today, i cvsup'd the sources on the host to 6.2- 
RELEASE-p3, and built world.  i installed world, and rebooted, but  
did not update either of the jails, just to see what would happen  
with the host running p3, and the jails running RELEASE.  to my  
surprise, both jails were running p3 when the host came back up.


so what am i missing about jail theory here?  how did that kernel  
get into my jails if i did not install it?


Jails all run on the base kernel


  what about the rest of userland?


That needs to be updated per jail.  I use a master jail I nullfs  
mount so I just ave to update userland once but if major etc changes  
happen still have to do that in each


Chad


at what version should i expect that to be at, at this point?

thanks,
jonathan
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