Re: difference between deinstall and pkg_delete?
RW wrote: On Friday 02 June 2006 08:53, Mikhail Goriachev wrote: Jon Falconer wrote: Greetings, I see in the man page for ports the following: reinstallUse this to restore a port after using pkg_delete(1) when you should have used deinstall. So I'm wondering what is the difference between pkg_delete and using make deinstall from within the ports directory? What does make deinstall do that pkg_delete does not do? What does pkg_delete do that make deinstall does not do? Hi, This will point you in the right direction: http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-29467.html Actually I think that points in wrong direction. There is a lot of misinformation about this that is repeated ad-nauseum. Most ports use the standard deinstall target which calls pkg_delete; there is only one port in the whole tree that defines it own deinstall target, and that one installs its own versions of the pkg_* utilities. The port system uses a series of cookie files to keep track of what has been done. For example if you type make make the port will only build once, because the first make sets the build cookie. There is also an Install cookie which leads to a problem when you go through the sequence make install pkg_delete make install because pkg_delete doesn't know about the port cookies. The deinstall and reinstall targets both delete the cookie and so using one or the other avoids the problem. In practice this is virtually a non-issue since most people, and all build tools, will do a make clean at some point in the sequence. Right, so pkg_deinstall is the way to go then, isn't? Logically, there is a difference between pkg_delete and pkg_deinstall. Personally, I use the latter. Cheers, Mikhail. -- Mikhail Goriachev Webanoide Telephone: +61 (0)3 62252501 Mobile Phone: +61 (0)4 38255158 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.webanoide.org PGP Key ID: 0x4E148A3B PGP Key Fingerprint: D96B 7C14 79A5 8824 B99D 9562 F50E 2F5D 4E14 8A3B ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: difference between deinstall and pkg_delete?
On Monday 05 June 2006 12:07, Mikhail Goriachev wrote: RW wrote: On Friday 02 June 2006 08:53, Mikhail Goriachev wrote: Jon Falconer wrote: Greetings, I see in the man page for ports the following: reinstallUse this to restore a port after using pkg_delete(1) when you should have used deinstall. So I'm wondering what is the difference between pkg_delete and using make deinstall from within the ports directory? What does make deinstall do that pkg_delete does not do? What does pkg_delete do that make deinstall does not do? Hi, This will point you in the right direction: http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-29467.html Actually I think that points in wrong direction. There is a lot of misinformation about this that is repeated ad-nauseum. Most ports use the standard deinstall target which calls pkg_delete; there is only one port in the whole tree that defines it own deinstall target, and that one installs its own versions of the pkg_* utilities. The port system uses a series of cookie files to keep track of what has been done. For example if you type make make the port will only build once, because the first make sets the build cookie. There is also an Install cookie which leads to a problem when you go through the sequence make install pkg_delete make install because pkg_delete doesn't know about the port cookies. The deinstall and reinstall targets both delete the cookie and so using one or the other avoids the problem. In practice this is virtually a non-issue since most people, and all build tools, will do a make clean at some point in the sequence. Right, so pkg_deinstall is the way to go then, isn't? Logically, there is a difference between pkg_delete and pkg_deinstall. Personally, I use the latter. The question was about the difference between make deinstall and pkg_delete. pkg_deinstall (installed by the portupgrade port) is simply a ruby wrapper for pkg_delete that provides globbing and recursion. There is no particular correpondence between pkg_deinstall and make deinstall except for the similar name. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: difference between deinstall and pkg_delete?
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 11:08:14AM -0700, Jon Falconer wrote: So I'm wondering what is the difference between pkg_delete and using make deinstall from within the ports directory? What does make deinstall do that pkg_delete does not do? What does pkg_delete do that make deinstall does not do? After spending some time with /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk and the man page for pkg_delete, I think I'm just as confused as you are. As you mention, the man page for ports seems to imply that pkg_delete is a bad thing and that you should use 'make deinstall'. My analysis of 'make deinstall' in bsd.port.mk concludes that the deinstall target calls 'pkg_delete -f' on the package names supplied by pkg_info. I'm not entirely sure what implications this has for the installation cookies. If you were to only use pkg_delete, some things might go wrong. For example in the Technical Details section, it mentions the 'require' and the 'deinstall' scripts that can fail during a pkg_delete. A 'pkg_delete -f' would force the issue (and that's what 'make deinstall' does). Getting back to the 'make reinstall' target, it appears that all it does is 'rm -f' the installation and package cookies before running install. My conclusion is confusion. I'm not sure what the man page author meant by Use this to restore a port after using pkg_delete(1) when you should have used deinstall. Can someone with more experience give examples that might clarify the situation? -- Ian Tegebo Residential Computing University of California Berkeley ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: difference between deinstall and pkg_delete?
On Monday 05 June 2006 16:37, Ian A. Tegebo wrote: I'm not sure what the man page author meant by Use this to restore a port after using pkg_delete(1) when you should have used deinstall. Can someone with more experience give examples that might clarify the situation? It's to do with the cookie. Read back through the thread, I've already given an example. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: difference between deinstall and pkg_delete?
RW wrote: On Monday 05 June 2006 12:07, Mikhail Goriachev wrote: RW wrote: On Friday 02 June 2006 08:53, Mikhail Goriachev wrote: Jon Falconer wrote: Greetings, I see in the man page for ports the following: reinstallUse this to restore a port after using pkg_delete(1) when you should have used deinstall. So I'm wondering what is the difference between pkg_delete and using make deinstall from within the ports directory? What does make deinstall do that pkg_delete does not do? What does pkg_delete do that make deinstall does not do? Hi, This will point you in the right direction: http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-29467.html Actually I think that points in wrong direction. There is a lot of misinformation about this that is repeated ad-nauseum. Most ports use the standard deinstall target which calls pkg_delete; there is only one port in the whole tree that defines it own deinstall target, and that one installs its own versions of the pkg_* utilities. The port system uses a series of cookie files to keep track of what has been done. For example if you type make make the port will only build once, because the first make sets the build cookie. There is also an Install cookie which leads to a problem when you go through the sequence make install pkg_delete make install because pkg_delete doesn't know about the port cookies. The deinstall and reinstall targets both delete the cookie and so using one or the other avoids the problem. In practice this is virtually a non-issue since most people, and all build tools, will do a make clean at some point in the sequence. Right, so pkg_deinstall is the way to go then, isn't? Logically, there is a difference between pkg_delete and pkg_deinstall. Personally, I use the latter. The question was about the difference between make deinstall and pkg_delete. pkg_deinstall (installed by the portupgrade port) is simply a ruby wrapper for pkg_delete that provides globbing and recursion. There is no particular correpondence between pkg_deinstall and make deinstall except for the similar name. Ah, now I see what you mean about cookies. I guess this is valid when you don't want to clean a port. In my case, I install and clean it right away... the cookie disappears in the process. make install clean pkg_deinstall make install clean Is this the only issue between pkg_delete and make deinstall? Cheers, Mikhail. -- Mikhail Goriachev Webanoide Telephone: +61 (0)3 62252501 Mobile Phone: +61 (0)4 38255158 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.webanoide.org PGP Key ID: 0x4E148A3B PGP Key Fingerprint: D96B 7C14 79A5 8824 B99D 9562 F50E 2F5D 4E14 8A3B ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: difference between deinstall and pkg_delete?
On Friday 02 June 2006 08:53, Mikhail Goriachev wrote: Jon Falconer wrote: Greetings, I see in the man page for ports the following: reinstallUse this to restore a port after using pkg_delete(1) when you should have used deinstall. So I'm wondering what is the difference between pkg_delete and using make deinstall from within the ports directory? What does make deinstall do that pkg_delete does not do? What does pkg_delete do that make deinstall does not do? Hi, This will point you in the right direction: http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-29467.html Actually I think that points in wrong direction. There is a lot of misinformation about this that is repeated ad-nauseum. Most ports use the standard deinstall target which calls pkg_delete; there is only one port in the whole tree that defines it own deinstall target, and that one installs its own versions of the pkg_* utilities. The port system uses a series of cookie files to keep track of what has been done. For example if you type make make the port will only build once, because the first make sets the build cookie. There is also an Install cookie which leads to a problem when you go through the sequence make install pkg_delete make install because pkg_delete doesn't know about the port cookies. The deinstall and reinstall targets both delete the cookie and so using one or the other avoids the problem. In practice this is virtually a non-issue since most people, and all build tools, will do a make clean at some point in the sequence. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: difference between deinstall and pkg_delete?
Jon Falconer wrote: Greetings, I see in the man page for ports the following: reinstallUse this to restore a port after using pkg_delete(1) when you should have used deinstall. So I'm wondering what is the difference between pkg_delete and using make deinstall from within the ports directory? What does make deinstall do that pkg_delete does not do? What does pkg_delete do that make deinstall does not do? Hi, This will point you in the right direction: http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-29467.html man pkg_delete man pkg_deinstall Cheers, Mikhail. -- Mikhail Goriachev Webanoide Telephone: +61 (0)3 62252501 Mobile Phone: +61 (0)4 38255158 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.webanoide.org PGP Key ID: 0x4E148A3B PGP Key Fingerprint: D96B 7C14 79A5 8824 B99D 9562 F50E 2F5D 4E14 8A3B ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
difference between deinstall and pkg_delete?
Greetings, I see in the man page for ports the following: reinstallUse this to restore a port after using pkg_delete(1) when you should have used deinstall. So I'm wondering what is the difference between pkg_delete and using make deinstall from within the ports directory? What does make deinstall do that pkg_delete does not do? What does pkg_delete do that make deinstall does not do? Thanks, Jon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
