subject:"make.conf"

Hi everyone!
I was starting to think to recompile everything for my pc to speed 
up everything. I started googling and I found almost nothing about how to 
change make.conf on bsd. Almost everything was about Gentoo, somehow not 
unsurprisingly.
The first thing I noticed is that for linux all the instructions are about 
doing CFLAGS= value while it seems from /etc/share/examples/make.conf 
that in bsd I don't need . Is it correct?
Second question: If I set MAKEOPTS= -j 3 will that be used when 
portupgrading? (It's really to slow otherwise!)
Third question...The most difficult..Which are the best flags for my 
machine? (freebsd 7.0-RELEASE with an intel centrino core2 duo)
I have seen in the /examples/etc/make.conf that one of the possible 
CPUTYPE is core2 which looks to me as the right one but a geekier friend 
of mine that lives inside gentoo-linux told me that this option is 
unknown is gcc 4.2 and will be working from gcc4.3, so he told me to use 
prescott.
And what do I have to set to make gcc aware of the type of CPU I have?
CPUTYPE= cpu
and then CFLAGS= --O2 -pipe (etc..)
or should I not write the cputype and then do:
CLFAGS= -march=mycpu --O2 etc
Can someone give me some advice on how to configure this file?
Or can you provide me some documentation?
Thank you!


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Re: Tuning make.conf

2008-03-13 Thread Julius Huang



On Mar 13, 2008, at 17:32 , Luca Presotto wrote:


Hi everyone!
I was starting to think to recompile everything for my pc to speed
up everything. I started googling and I found almost nothing about  
how to
change make.conf on bsd. Almost everything was about Gentoo,  
somehow not

unsurprisingly.


Try man make.conf

J.H.

The first thing I noticed is that for linux all the instructions  
are about
doing CFLAGS= value while it seems from /etc/share/examples/ 
make.conf

that in bsd I don't need . Is it correct?
Second question: If I set MAKEOPTS= -j 3 will that be used when
portupgrading? (It's really to slow otherwise!)
Third question...The most difficult..Which are the best flags for my
machine? (freebsd 7.0-RELEASE with an intel centrino core2 duo)
I have seen in the /examples/etc/make.conf that one of the  
possible
CPUTYPE is core2 which looks to me as the right one but a geekier  
friend

of mine that lives inside gentoo-linux told me that this option is
unknown is gcc 4.2 and will be working from gcc4.3, so he told me  
to use

prescott.
And what do I have to set to make gcc aware of the type of CPU I have?
CPUTYPE= cpu
and then CFLAGS= --O2 -pipe (etc..)
or should I not write the cputype and then do:
CLFAGS= -march=mycpu --O2 etc
Can someone give me some advice on how to configure this file?
Or can you provide me some documentation?
Thank you!


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Re: Tuning make.conf

2008-03-13 Thread Marcin Koziuk


Luca Presotto wrote:

Hi everyone!
	I was starting to think to recompile everything for my pc to speed 
up everything. I started googling and I found almost nothing about how to 
change make.conf on bsd. Almost everything was about Gentoo, somehow not 
unsurprisingly.
The first thing I noticed is that for linux all the instructions are about 
doing CFLAGS= value while it seems from /etc/share/examples/make.conf 
that in bsd I don't need . Is it correct?
Second question: If I set MAKEOPTS= -j 3 will that be used when 
portupgrading? (It's really to slow otherwise!)
Third question...The most difficult..Which are the best flags for my 
machine? (freebsd 7.0-RELEASE with an intel centrino core2 duo)
I have seen in the /examples/etc/make.conf that one of the possible 
CPUTYPE is core2 which looks to me as the right one but a geekier friend 
of mine that lives inside gentoo-linux told me that this option is 
unknown is gcc 4.2 and will be working from gcc4.3, so he told me to use 
prescott.

And what do I have to set to make gcc aware of the type of CPU I have?
CPUTYPE= cpu
and then CFLAGS= --O2 -pipe (etc..)
or should I not write the cputype and then do:
CLFAGS= -march=mycpu --O2 etc
Can someone give me some advice on how to configure this file?
Or can you provide me some documentation?
Thank you!


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You're *really* wasting your time. The whole thing about those compiler 
optimizations is a myth. And most ports are already compiled with -O2 by 
default IIRC. But why would you spend two days compiling for a 0.1% 
speed increase? Your system is doing no cpu cycles at all for most of 
the time anyway. And I really wouldn't recommend aggressive 
optimizations for stuff like the kernel. Disabling unnecessary services 
or installing apps you often use without support for X and Y (like 
installing KDE or Gnome base, then the apps you *really* want on top of 
it) will give you much better performance than messing with CFLAGS and 
such. Also, makeopts and -pipe just make _compiling_ faster, not the 
applications themselves!!!.
Please take a look at the following pages, they have a lot more 
information about this matter ;)

http://funroll-loops.info/
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74072

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RE: Tuning make.conf

You're *really* wasting your time. 
I supposed that!


Your system is doing no cpu cycles at all for most of 
the time anyway. [cut]Also, makeopts and -pipe just make _compiling_ faster, 
not the 
applications themselves!!!.

I agree with everything. In any case I think that a faster compiling will 
really be a good thing.
I have been reading another time the man of make.conf and I still have some 
doubts.
Neither in the example either in the man page there is any reference to 
MAKEOPTS. Changing from -j1 to -j3 would really be a huge difference! 

To be able to set this is very important. 
Then I don't want an ultra tweaked make.conf like gentooers do. Just a 
reasonable one. 
(And you have convinced me, I won't recompile everything. Just to have a good 
compiling when I will be upgrading)

I have some doubts about the correct syntax, the man is ambiguous in this point.
If I write CPUTYPE= core2 will it automatically sets all the best safe CFLAGS 
for my core or just set the -march=core2
Should my make.conf be  like:
MAKEOPTS==-j3
CPUTYPE=core2
CFLAGS= --O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing

or just:
MAKEOPTS==-j3
CPUTYPE=core2

or maybe:

MAKEOPTS==-j3
CPUTYPE=core2
CFLAGS+= --O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing

Please take a look at the following pages, they have a lot more 
information about this matter ;)
http://funroll-loops.info/
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74072

Actually that's really funny!! I think that's why there are so many pages about 
gentoo and almost none about other OSes.
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Re: Tuning make.conf

2008-03-13 Thread Julius Huang


Hi,

On Mar 13, 2008, at 18:58 , Luca Presotto wrote:


You're *really* wasting your time.

I supposed that!



Your system is doing no cpu cycles at all for most of
the time anyway. [cut]Also, makeopts and -pipe just make  
_compiling_ faster, not the

applications themselves!!!.


I agree with everything. In any case I think that a faster  
compiling will really be a good thing.
I have been reading another time the man of make.conf and I still  
have some doubts.
Neither in the example either in the man page there is any  
reference to MAKEOPTS. Changing from -j1 to -j3 would really be a  
huge difference!




Isn't -j depend on how many cpu/core and a faster harddisk / raid?

In our small lab we used to install New system on some Very Old SCSI  
for testing (18G SCSI 2 I think).
It takes 2x to 3x more time to build world / kernel than a New SCSI  
Ultra 320 HD on the Same machine no matter what we put in -j.


Faster / Higher IO through put always compile faster.

Also there may be problem buildworld and buildkernel if use -j IIRC,
other method is required to speed up compiler when build world / kernel.
Like not compile everything except what is Really need to be recompile.


To be able to set this is very important.
Then I don't want an ultra tweaked make.conf like gentooers do.  
Just a reasonable one.
(And you have convinced me, I won't recompile everything. Just to  
have a good compiling when I will be upgrading)


I have some doubts about the correct syntax, the man is ambiguous  
in this point.
If I write CPUTYPE= core2 will it automatically sets all the best  
safe CFLAGS for my core or just set the -march=core2

Should my make.conf be  like:
MAKEOPTS==-j3
CPUTYPE=core2
CFLAGS= --O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing

or just:
MAKEOPTS==-j3
CPUTYPE=core2

or maybe:

MAKEOPTS==-j3
CPUTYPE=core2
CFLAGS+= --O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing



I remember seeing some thread in Stable@, Question@, Performance@  
discuss about best CPUTYPE on AMD64 not long ago.


J.H.


Please take a look at the following pages, they have a lot more
information about this matter ;)
http://funroll-loops.info/
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74072


Actually that's really funny!! I think that's why there are so many  
pages about gentoo and almost none about other OSes.

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Re: Tuning make.conf

2008-03-13 Thread Reko Turja


Should my make.conf be  like:
MAKEOPTS==-j3
CPUTYPE=core2
CFLAGS= --O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing

or just:
MAKEOPTS==-j3
CPUTYPE=core2

or maybe:

MAKEOPTS==-j3
CPUTYPE=core2
CFLAGS+= --O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing


Setting CFLAGS can cause errors while compiling and other undesirable 
effects, so I recommend leaving CFLAGS undefined.

If you want to optimise things use COPTFLAGS instead.

-Reko 


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RE: Tuning make.conf

Isn't -j depend on how many cpu/core and a faster harddisk / raid?

Yes, it is. But with j1 you have only one job running at a time. On a dual core 
you can really easily running at least two jobs at the same time.
Then I've read a number of ideas about which is the relation between the number 
of cores and the optimal number of jobs.
I have been suggested something between n+1 and 2n+1

Of course the optimal number of jobs depends on the disk speed and similar.

But switching between 1 and 3 gives something like halving the time needed to 
compile everything.

Maybe it's possible that when building the kernel it gives some problem, but 
I'm thinking about compiling ports.

Or does portupgrade automatically chooses which -j to use?
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Re: Tuning make.conf

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:05:27 +0200
Reko Turja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  MAKEOPTS==-j3
  CPUTYPE=core2
  CFLAGS+= --O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing
 
 Setting CFLAGS can cause errors while compiling and other undesirable 
 effects, so I recommend leaving CFLAGS undefined.
 If you want to optimise things use COPTFLAGS instead.


Don't set either of them, they both get set automatically, and messing
with COPTFLAGS is potentially more dangerous than with messing CFLAGS.
Just set CPUTYPE unless you know what you are doing.
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Re: Tuning make.conf

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:30:05 +0100
Luca Presotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Maybe it's possible that when building the kernel it gives some
 problem, but I'm thinking about compiling ports.

You need to understand that make.conf affects FreeBSD make, which is
used for building  the base system, and for the ports infrastructure.
It's use in ports in analogous to the python part of the Gentoo portage
system. The actual port build itself is normally done by gmake (GNU
make), because that's determined by the upstream project. 

Passing -j directly to a port make doesn't make any sense, and breaks
the ports system. What you need to do is pass the -j to the underlying
gmake in the build stage.  I can't remember offhand how to do that,
but you can look in bsd.port.mk to see what variables get used. There is
also talk of regularizing this this approach by changes to the ports
system.

Whether or not an individual port works with -j is mostly a matter for
the upstream project; many builds will break or become flakey, so any
-j settings need to be made per port rather than globally. 

(BTW if you want to speed-up builds you might also try devel/ccache.)

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Re: Tuning make.conf

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:01:47 +
RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Just set CPUTYPE unless you know what you are doing.

I forgot to mention, you can set core2 if you want to. At present, it
will be automatically translated into either nocona (64-bit) or prescott
(32-bit). See /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk.

As a generally rule, start from the assumption that everything that
Gentoo users say about setting-up FreeBSD is wrong.

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Re: Tuning make.conf

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:20:14 +
RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 prescott (32-bit). See /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk.

That should be /usr/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk
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RE: Tuning make.conf


Thank you for your answers, you have been very clear!
I'm still not into recompiling the kernel for the moment!

I will have a look at the way to speed up the various ports building with the 
gmake.
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make.conf CPUTYPE Xeon Conroe?

2008-03-05 Thread Nerius Landys

 I'm running FreeBSD 7.0 on a server with an Intel Xeon Dual-Core 3060
Conroe (2.4GHz) CPU.
I'm wondering what I should set CPUTYPE to in my /etc/make.conf.
The file /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf has this information:

#   (Intel CPUs)core2 core nocona pentium4m pentium4 prescott
#   pentium3m pentium3 pentium-m pentium2
#   pentiumpro pentium-mmx pentium i486 i386

I guess those are the possibilities.  Which one should I choose for my
processor?

Also, by accident, I had CPUTYPE=p4 in my make.conf when I compiled world,
kernel, and ports.  p4 is a flag from older FreeBSD distributions I
think.  Will this (this meaning both that p4 may be unrecognized and/or
it's not my processor type) cause any problems, or should I recompile
everything with the correct CPUTYPE flag?  Installing world is a hassle
because it's not easy for me to do it from single user mode.

Thanks.

- Nerius
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Re: make.conf CPUTYPE Xeon Conroe?

2008-03-05 Thread Josh Paetzel

On Wednesday 05 March 2008 11:55:48 am Nerius Landys wrote:
  I'm running FreeBSD 7.0 on a server with an Intel Xeon Dual-Core 3060
 Conroe (2.4GHz) CPU.
 I'm wondering what I should set CPUTYPE to in my /etc/make.conf.
 The file /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf has this information:

 #   (Intel CPUs)core2 core nocona pentium4m pentium4 prescott
 #   pentium3m pentium3 pentium-m pentium2
 #   pentiumpro pentium-mmx pentium i486 i386

 I guess those are the possibilities.  Which one should I choose for my
 processor?

 Also, by accident, I had CPUTYPE=p4 in my make.conf when I compiled world,
 kernel, and ports.  p4 is a flag from older FreeBSD distributions I
 think.  Will this (this meaning both that p4 may be unrecognized and/or
 it's not my processor type) cause any problems, or should I recompile
 everything with the correct CPUTYPE flag?  Installing world is a hassle
 because it's not easy for me to do it from single user mode.

 Thanks.

 - Nerius

As a general rule, setting a CPUTYPE is something you should try to 
avoid...there's all sorts of breakage it can cause for very little gain.  If 
you're heart is set on it though, your CPU is a core2.

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Re: make.conf CPUTYPE Xeon Conroe?

2008-03-05 Thread Robert Huff


Josh Paetzel writes:

  As a general rule, setting a CPUTYPE is something you should try
  to avoid...there's all sorts of breakage it can cause for very
  little gain.

Do you have examples?  I ask because I've had CPUTYPE? = p4
on this machine for five years - dozens of buildworlds and possibly
thousands of port builds - and never had anything attributable to
that go wrong.


Robert Huff
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Re: make.conf CPUTYPE Xeon Conroe?

2008-03-05 Thread Jonathan Chen

On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 09:55:48AM -0800, Nerius Landys wrote:
  I'm running FreeBSD 7.0 on a server with an Intel Xeon Dual-Core 3060
 Conroe (2.4GHz) CPU.
 I'm wondering what I should set CPUTYPE to in my /etc/make.conf.
 The file /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf has this information:
 
 #   (Intel CPUs)core2 core nocona pentium4m pentium4 prescott
 #   pentium3m pentium3 pentium-m pentium2
 #   pentiumpro pentium-mmx pentium i486 i386
 
 I guess those are the possibilities.  Which one should I choose for my
 processor?

I would suggest that you *NOT* set the CPUTYPE. The gains are are
minimal compared to the pain you will have if you also use the ports
system.
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Re: make.conf CPUTYPE Xeon Conroe?

2008-03-05 Thread David Alanis

Alike other users how can you compare the benefits pros/cons of  
setting the CPU type?


Documentation reads otherwise and it only mentions possible cons in  
one section?


# CFLAGS controls the compiler settings used when compiling C code.
# Note that optimization settings other than -O and -O2 are not recommended
# or supported for compiling the world or the kernel - please revert any
# nonstandard optimization settings to -O or -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing
# before submitting bug reports without patches to the developers.

I needs  proof :)

David-

Quoting Jonathan Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 09:55:48AM -0800, Nerius Landys wrote:

 I'm running FreeBSD 7.0 on a server with an Intel Xeon Dual-Core 3060
Conroe (2.4GHz) CPU.
I'm wondering what I should set CPUTYPE to in my /etc/make.conf.
The file /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf has this information:

#   (Intel CPUs)core2 core nocona pentium4m pentium4 prescott
#   pentium3m pentium3 pentium-m pentium2
#   pentiumpro pentium-mmx pentium i486 i386

I guess those are the possibilities.  Which one should I choose for my
processor?


I would suggest that you *NOT* set the CPUTYPE. The gains are are
minimal compared to the pain you will have if you also use the ports
system.
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Re: Via C7 Processor (CPU) - cpufreq and make.conf support

2007-11-22 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg


On Oct 24, 2007, at 2:20 AM, Erik Cederstrand wrote:


I know this is not an answer, but why not just upgrade to 7.0 if you
need the C7 support?


I'm on 7B3, but when I look at /usr/src/share/examples/etc/make.conf,  
I just see this


# Currently the following CPU types are recognized:
#   Intel x86 architecture:
#   (AMD CPUs)  opteron athlon64 athlon-mp athlon-xp athlon-4
#   athlon-tbird athlon k8 k6-3 k6-2 k6 k5
#   (Intel CPUs)core2 core nocona pentium4m pentium4 prescott
#   pentium3m pentium3 pentium-m pentium2
#   pentiumpro pentium-mmx pentium i486 i386
#   (Via CPUs)  c3 c3-2
#   Alpha/AXP architecture: ev67 ev6 pca56 ev56 ev5 ev45 ev4
#   AMD64 architecture: opteron, athlon64, nocona, prescott, core2
#   Intel ia64 architecture: itanium2, itanium

I should note that it appears that the example make.conf is

# $FreeBSD: src/share/examples/etc/make.conf,v 1.279 2007/01/17  
12:43:06 des Exp $


But I'm using csup tracking *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7

So can someone point me to where I should look for current (well, 7)  
information on configuring for Via CPUs?


-j

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6.2-8.0 current w/ custom /etc/make.conf

2007-11-19 Thread Philip M. Gollucci

Hi All,

I've many times successfully gone to 7.0 or 8.0 current.

cat  EOF  /etc/make.conf
NO_ATM=true  # do not build ATM related programs and libraries
NO_AUTHPF=true   # do not build and install authpf (setuid/gid)
NO_FORTRAN=true  # do not build g77 and related libraries
NO_GAMES=true# do not build games (games/ subdir)
NO_GPIB=true # do not build GPIB support
NO_I4B=true  # do not build isdn4bsd package
NO_INET6=true# do not build IPv6 related programs and libraries
NO_OBJC=true # do not build Objective C support
NO_PF=true   # do not build PF firewall package
NO_PROFILE=true  # do not build Profiling libs
EOF

I have some other things, but they are irrelevant.
Next, I follow the standard steps in /usr/src/Makefile to upgrade.
including
make delete-old delete-old-libs

Next, After the final reboot, I did
# pkg_add -r bash sudo vim-lite
$ sysutils/libchk ; sudo make install clean
$ sudo libchk

Unresolvable link(s) found in: /sbin/pflogd
libc.so.6
libpcap.so.4
libutil.so.5
Unresolvable link(s) found in: /sbin/pfctl
libmd.so.3
libm.so.4
libc.so.6
Unresolvable link(s) found in: /sbin/atmconfig
libc.so.6
libbsnmp.so.3
/usr/bin/sscop
libngatm.so.2
libc.so.6
libnetgraph.so.2
libbegemot.so.2



Obviously, this is because of my /etc/make.conf.  I wonder if
make delete-old-* should account for and delete related files based on
NO_* Knobs ?

This was direct installed from 6.2-release CD and _immediately_ upgraded.

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Re: Via C7 Processor (CPU) - cpufreq and make.conf support

2007-10-25 Thread Ross Penner

On 10/24/07, Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 03:02:21PM -0600, Ross Penner wrote:
On 10/24/07, Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 02:25:11PM -0600, Ross Penner wrote:
What does 'sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq_levels' report? It should list the
available CPU frequencies.

I get:
dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 397/-1 198/-1

Is this something I should be reporting to stable? It's not explicitly
mentioned in the hardware notes so I'm not sure if my processor is
actually supported in 6.2. Is it possible that I've been shipped the
wrong processor? If so, how would I be able to tell short of ripping
off the giant heatsink and looking?

Have a look at the dmesg output with 'dmesg |head -n 24'. There should
be some info about the CPU in there. Post those lines here.

Lines from dmesg:

Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: VIA C7 Esther+RNG+AES+AES-CTR+SHA1+SHA256+RSA (399.40-MHz 686-class
CPU)
Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x6a9 Stepping = 9

Features=0xa7c9bbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,CMOV,PAT,CLFLUSH,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,TM,PBE
Features2=0x181SSE3,EST,TM2

It clearly indicates that it's a 400MHz processor, but the timecounter
makes me think it' the 1.2 GHz it's supposed to be.

The 'i8254' timecounter is completely independent of the CPU, and the 'Hz'
value associated with it has nothing to do with the clock frequency of the
CPU.

And have a look at the bios. It could have some settings to regulate the
CPU speed.

The BIOS didn't seem to have anything to adjust the CPU speed, but
while booting I did notice that it declared itself as a via C7 400MHz
processor.

It sounds like the CPU actually is running at 400MHz then.
Either that or both the BIOS and FreeBSD misidentifes the CPU speed.

It could be that the BIOS do not set up the processor correctly.
Are you sure there are no BIOS settings related to the CPU speed?
Have you tried updating the BIOS?

I'm not sure that there are no settings, but I'm pretty confident. The system
is an VIA Epia EN12000E Mini-ITX so I'd be quite surprised if the BIOS didn't
set up the processor correctly. regardless, I upgraded the bios to no avail.
I'm going to the via support boards to see if somebody there can help. thank
you everybody for your help and I'll post any results.
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Via C7 Processor (CPU) - cpufreq and make.conf support

Hi all, I have a few questions about my Via C7 processor. In  
examples/make.conf there is an option for the CPUTYPE. It indicates that  
only the C3 and the C3-2 chips are supported. Does the C7 chip have  
support that I don't know of? If not, will it? Otherwise, will specifying  
the chipset as C3 help or hinder my environment?


My second question is in regards to the CPU frequency control. I've seen  
that the C7 gets support for cpufreq in 7 current, but I'm running 6.  
Without support in cpufreq, what speed would my processor be running at?  
I've always thought my performance has been lackluster so I suspect it's  
running at the lower clock speed.


Thanks for any help any of you can give me,

Ross

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Re: Via C7 Processor (CPU) - cpufreq and make.conf support

2007-10-24 Thread Erik Cederstrand


Ross Penner wrote:
 Hi all, I have a few questions about my Via C7 processor. In
 examples/make.conf there is an option for the CPUTYPE. It indicates
 that only the C3 and the C3-2 chips are supported. Does the C7 chip
 have support that I don't know of? If not, will it? Otherwise, will
 specifying the chipset as C3 help or hinder my environment?

I know this is not an answer, but why not just upgrade to 7.0 if you
need the C7 support?

 My second question is in regards to the CPU frequency control. I've
 seen that the C7 gets support for cpufreq in 7 current, but I'm
 running 6. Without support in cpufreq, what speed would my processor
 be running at? I've always thought my performance has been lackluster
 so I suspect it's running at the lower clock speed.

If cpufreq/powerd is not active, your processor is running full-speed.
You can check this with sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq if it's available on
your system.

Erik

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Re: Via C7 Processor (CPU) - cpufreq and make.conf support

On 10/24/07, Erik Cederstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ross Penner wrote:
  Hi all, I have a few questions about my Via C7 processor. In
  examples/make.conf there is an option for the CPUTYPE. It indicates
  that only the C3 and the C3-2 chips are supported. Does the C7 chip
  have support that I don't know of? If not, will it? Otherwise, will
  specifying the chipset as C3 help or hinder my environment?

 I know this is not an answer, but why not just upgrade to 7.0 if you
 need the C7 support?

 I probably will. I just thought I'd try and see if I could stay on stable
first.

 My second question is in regards to the CPU frequency control. I've
  seen that the C7 gets support for cpufreq in 7 current, but I'm
  running 6. Without support in cpufreq, what speed would my processor
  be running at? I've always thought my performance has been lackluster
  so I suspect it's running at the lower clock speed.

 If cpufreq/powerd is not active, your processor is running full-speed.
 You can check this with sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq if it's available on
 your system.

sounds reasonable. unfortunetly, 'sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq' doesn't seem to
work on my system. heh, it'd probably work if I upgrade to 7.0

Erik


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Re: Via C7 Processor (CPU) - cpufreq and make.conf support

2007-10-24 Thread Erik Norgaard


Ross Penner wrote:

On 10/24/07, Erik Cederstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ross Penner wrote:

Hi all, I have a few questions about my Via C7 processor. In
examples/make.conf there is an option for the CPUTYPE. It indicates
that only the C3 and the C3-2 chips are supported. Does the C7 chip
have support that I don't know of? If not, will it? Otherwise, will
specifying the chipset as C3 help or hinder my environment?

I know this is not an answer, but why not just upgrade to 7.0 if you
need the C7 support?


 I probably will. I just thought I'd try and see if I could stay on stable
first.


AFAIK 7.0 will be stable while 6.3 will be legacy.

Cheers, Erik

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Re: Via C7 Processor (CPU) - cpufreq and make.conf support



On 10/24/07, Ross Penner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10/24/07, Erik Cederstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Ross Penner wrote:
   Hi all, I have a few questions about my Via C7 processor. In
   examples/make.conf there is an option for the CPUTYPE. It indicates
   that only the C3 and the C3-2 chips are supported. Does the C7 chip
   have support that I don't know of? If not, will it? Otherwise, will
   specifying the chipset as C3 help or hinder my environment?
 
  I know this is not an answer, but why not just upgrade to 7.0 if you
  need the C7 support?
 
  I probably will. I just thought I'd try and see if I could stay on stable
 first.
 
  My second question is in regards to the CPU frequency control. I've
   seen that the C7 gets support for cpufreq in 7 current, but I'm
   running 6. Without support in cpufreq, what speed would my processor
   be running at? I've always thought my performance has been lackluster
   so I suspect it's running at the lower clock speed.
 
  If cpufreq/powerd is not active, your processor is running full-speed.
  You can check this with sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq if it's available on
  your system.
 
 sounds reasonable. unfortunetly, 'sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq' doesn't seem to
 work on my system. heh, it'd probably work if I upgrade to 7.0

Apparently I'm an idiot. the sysctl command does work. when the system is 
mostly idle, It outputs '198' and when I put a high cpu load on it, it outputs 
'397'. I'm not exactly sure what this means as I'm hoping it doesn't refer to 
the MHz. It's a 1.2GHz processor. Can somebody help me interpret this result?
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Re: Via C7 Processor (CPU) - cpufreq and make.conf support

2007-10-24 Thread Roland Smith

On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:25:51PM -0600, Ross Penner wrote:
  sounds reasonable. unfortunetly, 'sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq' doesn't seem to
  work on my system. heh, it'd probably work if I upgrade to 7.0
 
 Apparently I'm an idiot. the sysctl command does work. when the system
 is mostly idle, It outputs '198' and when I put a high cpu load on it,
 it outputs '397'. I'm not exactly sure what this means as I'm hoping
 it doesn't refer to the MHz. 

I'm afraid it does;

$ sysctl -d dev.cpu.0.freq
dev.cpu.0.freq: Current CPU frequency

When I see a CPU speed of 1 GHz in conky, I get:

$ sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq
dev.cpu.0.freq: 1000

(on my athlon64)

What does 'sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq_levels' report? It should list the
available CPU frequencies.

Roland
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