Re: netbooks for freebsd?
I like my s10e too - but remember I don't have native wireless, I'm using ndis. There are also some acpi glitches which the currently available patch only partially resolves. re: acpi patch: Fascinating - now it reboots instead of hanginggonna try current one of these days... As far as ditching ndis, I got one of these, and I'm quite happy with it: OxfordTEC.com Detailed Invoice: https://www.oxfordtec.com/us/account_history_info.php?order_id=XYZPDQ 1 x SparkLAN WPEA-165G miniPCI Wireless card - Atheros AR5006EG AR2423A mini PCI-E, mPCIe adapter (WPEA165G-S0) = $24.95 Best, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Monday, 24 August 2009 at 5:45:20 -0700, Jeff Hamann said: thanks. i've looked at both an acer and lenovo models and like the lenovo model better. I like my s10e too - but remember I don't have native wireless, I'm using ndis. There are also some acpi glitches which the currently available patch only partially resolves. Peter Harrison. as for linux... no way.. had too many hack experiences during the early years. that's why i made the switch to bsd. i would like to make my own port (super-port?), build a distro, and dump it onto a machine. haven't tested on virtual machine yet, but think that would be the smartest method. thanks again. On Aug 23, 2009, at 11:39 AM, ill...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/19 Jeff Hamann jeff.ham...@forestinformatics.com: I would like to try some experimental software on a netbook. Can somebody recommend a netbook that can do FreeBSD. Late to the discussion, sorry I can't give positive advice, but: I can explicity UNADVISE the (ee?)pc 1005ha Networking (atheros 9285, iirc) might work under ndis, wired (I forget which chipset) doesn't work. I put ubuntu on it, and even _that_ took some hacks. -- -- Jeff Hamann, PhD PO Box 1421 Corvallis, Oregon 97339-1421 541-754-2457 jeff.hamann[at]forestinformatics[dot]com http://www.forestinformatics.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks for freebsd?
thanks. i've looked at both an acer and lenovo models and like the lenovo model better. as for linux... no way.. had too many hack experiences during the early years. that's why i made the switch to bsd. i would like to make my own port (super-port?), build a distro, and dump it onto a machine. haven't tested on virtual machine yet, but think that would be the smartest method. thanks again. On Aug 23, 2009, at 11:39 AM, ill...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/19 Jeff Hamann jeff.ham...@forestinformatics.com: I would like to try some experimental software on a netbook. Can somebody recommend a netbook that can do FreeBSD. Late to the discussion, sorry I can't give positive advice, but: I can explicity UNADVISE the (ee?)pc 1005ha Networking (atheros 9285, iirc) might work under ndis, wired (I forget which chipset) doesn't work. I put ubuntu on it, and even _that_ took some hacks. -- -- Jeff Hamann, PhD PO Box 1421 Corvallis, Oregon 97339-1421 541-754-2457 jeff.hamann[at]forestinformatics[dot]com http://www.forestinformatics.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Wednesday, 19 August 2009 at 16:00:25 -0700, Steve Franks said: Al Plant wrote: Jeff Hamann wrote: I would like to try some experimental software on a netbook. Can somebody recommend a netbook that can do FreeBSD. I'm displeased with my Lenovo S10. On the upside, all the hardware worked on 7.2 out of the box, after I swapped the internal broadcom wifi for a highpower atheros. The ACPI is a real nightmare on it, however. dmesg is constantly full of acpi barfs, and it hangs on shutdown, and won't suspend, which is pretty much a requirement for a notebook at my house. Tried all the standard lenovo acpi hacks, but no luck. I'm running 7.2 release on an s10e. The acpi is a problem - but David Naylor on the acpi@ list gave me a patch which eliminated most of the errors. Let me know if you're interested and I'll ping it over (or try the acpi list to see if there's an update). Haven't tried suspend-resume, but I am running the broadcom wireless successfully with ndis. Peter Harrison. Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks for freebsd?
2009/8/19 Jeff Hamann jeff.ham...@forestinformatics.com: I would like to try some experimental software on a netbook. Can somebody recommend a netbook that can do FreeBSD. Late to the discussion, sorry I can't give positive advice, but: I can explicity UNADVISE the (ee?)pc 1005ha Networking (atheros 9285, iirc) might work under ndis, wired (I forget which chipset) doesn't work. I put ubuntu on it, and even _that_ took some hacks. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks for freebsd?
El día Wednesday, August 19, 2009 a las 06:59:47PM +0200, Polytropon escribió: On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:29:12 -0700, Jeff Hamann jeff.ham...@forestinformatics.com wrote: 1) Need to able to wipe out any ms-windows stuff, get installed, boot up and running within 60 minutes of my time. Download, svn checkouts, etc. not included. I've tired of spending weekend marathons for fun There's a good procedure for what you're mentioning. It takes placec on Asus EEEpc. http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt The above URL is for 7.0-RELEASE (or also RELENG_7). For 8-CURRENT use: http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC-8CURRENT.txt HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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I would like to try some experimental software on a netbook. Can somebody recommend a netbook that can do FreeBSD. Requirements: 1) Need to able to wipe out any ms-windows stuff, get installed, boot up and running within 60 minutes of my time. Download, svn checkouts, etc. not included. I've tired of spending weekend marathons for fun 2) Normal user will boot up in graphical interface, connect to net, etc. without anything other than one finger (touchpad?) I'm thinking this is a normal end-user requirement. 3) $200 even possible? 4) hook up gps units? cronjobs? Am I dreaming? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks for freebsd?
On 2009-08-19 09:29, Jeff Hamann wrote: I would like to try some experimental software on a netbook. Can somebody recommend a netbook that can do FreeBSD. I've put FreeBSD on an Asus Eee PC before. It worked rather nicely. Just be careful, because the wiki[1] page notes that some models contain unsupported hardware. [1] http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee -- Matthew Anthony Kolybabi (Mak) m...@kolybabi.com () ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org | Against proprietary extensions ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks for freebsd?
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:29:12 -0700, Jeff Hamann jeff.ham...@forestinformatics.com wrote: 1) Need to able to wipe out any ms-windows stuff, get installed, boot up and running within 60 minutes of my time. Download, svn checkouts, etc. not included. I've tired of spending weekend marathons for fun There's a good procedure for what you're mentioning. It takes placec on Asus EEEpc. http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt There's an updated version, too, but I didn't have that in my bookmarks, and I'm too lazy to google for it. :-) Additionally, check out the FreeBSD wiki at http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee about how to get FreeBSD on there. I'm very sure there are other netbooks that can be used in the same way. 2) Normal user will boot up in graphical interface, Create user; entry al= in /etc/gettytab; set ~/.login to contain startx; ~/.xinitrc and / or ~/.xsession to start DE or WM and autostart applications as desired. Or use KDE. connect to net, Correct settings in /etc/rc.conf for dhclient, or settings for connecting to WLAN APs using the proper configuration files. etc. without anything other than one finger (touchpad?) It's possible to do this with ZERO fingers, automatically. :-) As I said, KDE comes with most functionalities needed for that. I'm thinking this is a normal end-user requirement. I do consider myself as a normal end-user, and I don't have such a requirement, but finally, end-users are quite different, even in what they think about other end-users. :-) 3) $200 even possible? I think it's possible. 4) hook up gps units? cronjobs? First: Don't know, never needed, never tried. Consult documentation of intended GPS unit. Second: Yes. Am I dreaming? No. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks for freebsd?
Jeff Hamann wrote: I would like to try some experimental software on a netbook. Can somebody recommend a netbook that can do FreeBSD. Requirements: 1) Need to able to wipe out any ms-windows stuff, get installed, boot up and running within 60 minutes of my time. Download, svn checkouts, etc. not included. I've tired of spending weekend marathons for fun 2) Normal user will boot up in graphical interface, connect to net, etc. without anything other than one finger (touchpad?) I'm thinking this is a normal end-user requirement. 3) $200 even possible? 4) hook up gps units? cronjobs? Am I dreaming? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Aloha, I installed Manolis desktop (DVD) on a sandisc and it works fine from a USB port on an HP 1000 mini netbook. (The netbook has Ubuntu Linux on the internal drive BTW). So I figured it would work with another UNIX. http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com/downloads-page ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks for freebsd?
Al Plant wrote: Jeff Hamann wrote: I would like to try some experimental software on a netbook. Can somebody recommend a netbook that can do FreeBSD. Requirements: 1) Need to able to wipe out any ms-windows stuff, get installed, boot up and running within 60 minutes of my time. Download, svn checkouts, etc. not included. I've tired of spending weekend marathons for fun 2) Normal user will boot up in graphical interface, connect to net, etc. without anything other than one finger (touchpad?) I'm thinking this is a normal end-user requirement. 3) $200 even possible? 4) hook up gps units? cronjobs? Am I dreaming? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Aloha, I installed Manolis desktop (DVD) on a sandisc and it works fine from a USB port on an HP 1000 mini netbook. (The netbook has Ubuntu Linux on the internal drive BTW). So I figured it would work with another UNIX. http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com/downloads-page Aspire One (the original one) also works nicely with FreeBSD. If buying a newer model it is best to check it at a shop display or stg, since the hardware has changed and some models may be incompatible (esp. check video card and wireless chipset. The original one is equipped with Intel 950 and an Atheros wireless. Avoid models with the Z520 - Z530 atom cpu. Go for an N270-280 model). The biggest problems with running FreeBSD on such a device (at least in my opinion) are: - Suspend and resume not working. Using powerd though, battery time is quite good - CPU is underpowered so forget compiling ports on it (the occasional small port is OK, larger stuff is a no go). Kernel compilation takes 55 minutes on the One. A quick note on the XFCE DVD: I will be releasing a version based on FreeBSD 8, soon after 8.0 is released. I will also rerun a 7.2 build at about the same time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:11:20PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Al Plant wrote: Jeff Hamann wrote: I would like to try some experimental software on a netbook. Can somebody recommend a netbook that can do FreeBSD. Too soon to know, but I've just ordered the Starling, a netbook sold by System76.com. They ship it with Ubuntu, and that means it may well run other *nixes as well. I've got a copy of PC-BSD I'm excited to try to load on it, since I'm not a big fan of Ubuntu in general. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Al Plant wrote: Jeff Hamann wrote: I would like to try some experimental software on a netbook. Can somebody recommend a netbook that can do FreeBSD. I'm displeased with my Lenovo S10. On the upside, all the hardware worked on 7.2 out of the box, after I swapped the internal broadcom wifi for a highpower atheros. The ACPI is a real nightmare on it, however. dmesg is constantly full of acpi barfs, and it hangs on shutdown, and won't suspend, which is pretty much a requirement for a notebook at my house. Tried all the standard lenovo acpi hacks, but no luck. Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Aspire One (the original one) also works nicely with FreeBSD. If buying a newer model it is best to check it at a shop display or stg, since the hardware has changed and some models may be incompatible (esp. check video card and wireless chipset. The original one is equipped with Intel 950 and an Atheros wireless. Avoid models with the Z520 - Z530 atom cpu. Go for an N270-280 model). The biggest problems with running FreeBSD on such a device (at least in my opinion) are: - Suspend and resume not working. Using powerd though, battery time is quite good - CPU is underpowered so forget compiling ports on it (the occasional small port is OK, larger stuff is a no go). Kernel compilation takes 55 minutes on the One. There are a lot of variations of the One. I just installed 8.0 on an AOA150. This is the version with the 160G hard drive instead of an SSD, and it's really not bad for building ports. ccache helps with building kernel and world. Neither of the two card readers seems to be supported, unfortunately. One way around hardware problems for the original purpose would be to run FreeBSD in a VM on Windows. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
Peter, Am 26.05.2009 um 23:13 schrieb Peter Jeremy: On 2009-May-24 15:33:43 +0200, Gabor Kovesdan ga...@freebsd.org wrote: Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that model in particular but I googled a bit and it seems mostly everything works with it. I have the SSD version and everything except the webcam and suspend/ resume works out of the box. What FreeBSD version are you using? Best regards Stephan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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2009/5/23 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: I'm about to buy a netbook, which: - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) - has a normal HDD not an SSD point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really mobile. so 4 hours on batteryHDD seems possible. http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=SSD+versus+hard+drive+powerie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8 Will you PLEASE start checking what you say before posting! Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On 2009-May-27 09:47:24 +0200, Stephan Lichtenauer fbsdli...@honeyguide.net wrote: Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that I have the SSD version and everything except the webcam and suspend/ resume works out of the box. What FreeBSD version are you using? FreeBSD 8-current. -- Peter Jeremy pgpQX2rJtVXZY.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On 2009-May-24 15:33:43 +0200, Gabor Kovesdan ga...@freebsd.org wrote: Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that model in particular but I googled a bit and it seems mostly everything works with it. I have the SSD version and everything except the webcam and suspend/ resume works out of the box. With WiFi and camera turned off, I can get over 3 hrs on the std battery doing things like locally reading mail. I have a USB 3G dongle and it's quite power-hungry (1/4 to 1/3 of total power consumption). -- Peter Jeremy pgpRGOI9743th.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 20:09 +0200, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: Koichiro IWAO escribió: The integrated video chip Intel GMA 500 is not a original Intel product. So X11 does not work with Intel driver and the driver is still unavailable. VESA is the only available driver. Does anyone have the pci ids for this? I have some patches around here for an IGD device that I think is a G41 but afaik was un-released at the time that I created that patch. robert. If you want use X11, do not forget to choose Atom N series. Uh, thanks a lot, I almost chose the 751h model, but now I decided to take the 531. It comes with Intel 945GM. -- Robert Noland rnol...@freebsd.org FreeBSD signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
in message 20090524161901.gb3...@current.sisis.de, wrote Matthias Apitz thusly... On Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:29 +0200, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, 1024x600 9 display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this at the moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video as well). ... The battery (6600 mAh) gives me around 4.5 hours autonomy, but often I find a point with power. (Argh, darn quicky fingers!) Sorry for bothering with earlier mail about battery life. - Parv -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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in message 20090524135229.ga3...@current.sisis.de, wrote Matthias Apitz thusly... Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko escribió: I did not run FreeBSD on it, so I apologize for slight OT, but my wife's Samsung NC10 (2.8 lbs, 10.2 screen, 160GB 5400RPM HDD) is pushing 6 hours of the battery life with the wireless on and memory upgraded to 2GB. This is under Windows XP HOME ULCPC though. ... I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, 1024x600 9 display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this at the moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video as well). Matthias, What kind of battery life do you get (with and without WIFI use)? - Parv -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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1024x600 9 display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this at the moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video as well). Matthias, What kind of battery life do you get (with and without WIFI use)? and with/without Huawei E220. it's realy heavy battery drainer, takes much more than WiFi - i have this UMTS interface. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Wojciech Puchar escribió: I'm about to buy a netbook, which: - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) - has a normal HDD not an SSD point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really mobile. so 4 hours on batteryHDD seems possible. Yes, but buying anything is always about compromises. Recent HDD models are pretty good and I don't need the most hi-end model with an extreme battery life, just a reasonable uptime with HDD. I think I'll go for the Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that model in particular but I googled a bit and it seems mostly everything works with it. -- Gabor Kovesdan FreeBSD Volunteer EMAIL: ga...@freebsd.org .:|:. ga...@kovesdan.org WEB: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gabor .:|:. http://kovesdan.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko escribió: I did not run FreeBSD on it, so I apologize for slight OT, but my wife's Samsung NC10 (2.8 lbs, 10.2 screen, 160GB 5400RPM HDD) is pushing 6 hours of the battery life with the wireless on and memory upgraded to 2GB. This is under Windows XP HOME ULCPC though. Wireless card (as reported by Windows) is Atheros AR5007EG, so you might need to ask around whether it is supported by ath driver. Thanks, that Samsung model seems pretty nice, as well, but it's significantly more expensive in Hungary than the Aspire ONE, while the specs are mainly the same. So I think I'll go for the Acer netbook if someone doesn't convince me quickly not to do so... -- Gabor Kovesdan FreeBSD Volunteer EMAIL: ga...@freebsd.org .:|:. ga...@kovesdan.org WEB: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gabor .:|:. http://kovesdan.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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El día Sunday, May 24, 2009 a las 03:43:53PM +0200, Gabor Kovesdan escribió: Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko escribió: I did not run FreeBSD on it, so I apologize for slight OT, but my wife's Samsung NC10 (2.8 lbs, 10.2 screen, 160GB 5400RPM HDD) is pushing 6 hours of the battery life with the wireless on and memory upgraded to 2GB. This is under Windows XP HOME ULCPC though. Wireless card (as reported by Windows) is Atheros AR5007EG, so you might need to ask around whether it is supported by ath driver. Thanks, that Samsung model seems pretty nice, as well, but it's significantly more expensive in Hungary than the Aspire ONE, while the specs are mainly the same. So I think I'll go for the Acer netbook if someone doesn't convince me quickly not to do so... I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, 1024x600 9 display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this at the moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video as well). matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:29 +0200, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, 1024x600 9 display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this at the moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video as well). I would tend to buy one myself in the future, especially for LAN and WLAN diagnostics (at the customer's site). I like the concept of the SSD in opposite to a moving parts classical hard disk. Size and battery life are okay (for what they are intended for), and I think older models of the EeePC will get a bit cheaper over the time. I'm very greedy, so I mostly think: Do I REALLY need this - and spend money on it? :-) There is a nice description about how to install FreeBSD on this device at http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt - and I can't wait to try this out. But I'm sure I would not want to run KDE or Gnome on this thing... Of course, it would be nice to have access to the camera (at least you paid for it), be it by Skype or simply by mencoder. Maybe it will be supported in the future. By the way, can you tell me how expensive (approx.) is the UMTS dongle, and how much is using it? (I'm curious, and since you're from a .de domain, your answer should apply to me, too.) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
El día Sunday, May 24, 2009 a las 04:56:11PM +0200, Polytropon escribió: On Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:29 +0200, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, 1024x600 9 display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this at the moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video as well). I would tend to buy one myself in the future, especially for LAN and WLAN diagnostics (at the customer's site). I like the concept of the SSD in opposite to a moving parts classical hard disk. Size and battery life are okay (for what they are intended for), and I think older models of the EeePC will get a bit cheaper over the time. I'm very greedy, so I mostly think: Do I REALLY need this - and spend money on it? :-) I'm using mine one for reading books in Spanish and writing private stuff; I have a Spanish dictionary on it and an offline version of the Spanish Wikipedia. As well I use it to connect to Internet when I'm sitting in a beer garden to access things I wanna read. It is a netbook per definition. And really cool. The battery (6600 mAh) gives me around 4.5 hours autonomy, but often I find a point with power. There is a nice description about how to install FreeBSD on this device at http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt - and I can't wait to try this out. But I'm sure I would not want to run KDE or Gnome on this thing... why? it just runs fast on it; The above description is still on RELENG_7 level, I will update it soon for CURRENT which is I run now. Of course, it would be nice to have access to the camera (at least you paid for it), be it by Skype or simply by mencoder. Maybe it will be supported in the future. By the way, can you tell me how expensive (approx.) is the UMTS dongle, and how much is using it? (I'm curious, and since you're from a .de domain, your answer should apply to me, too.) I have a flat rate SIM and PCMCIA card from the company I'm working for. And bought the UMTS dongle for my private usage in eBay for around 35 euro, I think. I'm using it nearly every evening. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany I lived in Westeregeln and went to school in Egeln :-) Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 happy since 2.2.5 (around 1997, I think). matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
Hi. Gabor Kovesdan : Hello, I'm about to buy a netbook, which: - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) - has a normal HDD not an SSD I don't know about that you are going to buy, but I have Dell Inspiron mini 12. One of the big problem with FreeBSD is the video Driver. Most of netbooks have Intel Atom Z series CPU. Atom Z series have integrated chipset and video chip. The integrated video chip Intel GMA 500 is not a original Intel product. So X11 does not work with Intel driver and the driver is still unavailable. VESA is the only available driver. If you want use X11, do not forget to choose Atom N series. -- Iwao, Koichiro m...@club.kyutech.ac.jp ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
Koichiro IWAO escribió: The integrated video chip Intel GMA 500 is not a original Intel product. So X11 does not work with Intel driver and the driver is still unavailable. VESA is the only available driver. If you want use X11, do not forget to choose Atom N series. Uh, thanks a lot, I almost chose the 751h model, but now I decided to take the 531. It comes with Intel 945GM. -- Gabor Kovesdan FreeBSD Volunteer EMAIL: ga...@freebsd.org .:|:. ga...@kovesdan.org WEB: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gabor .:|:. http://kovesdan.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
netbooks vs FreeBSD
Hello, I'm about to buy a netbook, which: - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) - has a normal HDD not an SSD I was told that the new 6 cell Acer Aspire ONEs aren't bad. Could you share your experiences about the following models, please? Or of course, if you have other suggestions, I'm open to them. Acer Aspire one D250-1B Acer Aspire one D150-1B MSI WIND U100-029HU (this one is very tempting because of the 2GB RAM and the 2-year warranty) Thanks in advance, -- Gabor Kovesdan FreeBSD Volunteer EMAIL: ga...@freebsd.org .:|:. ga...@kovesdan.org WEB: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gabor .:|:. http://kovesdan.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
I'm about to buy a netbook, which: - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) - has a normal HDD not an SSD point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really mobile. so 4 hours on batteryHDD seems possible. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
-- From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:09 PM To: Gabor Kovesdan ga...@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-mob...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD I'm about to buy a netbook, which: - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) - has a normal HDD not an SSD point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really mobile. so 4 hours on batteryHDD seems possible. I respectfully disagree. As much as I hate Apple as a company, I currently have a MacBook Pro that gets over 4 hours of battery life and has a 200+gig HDD in it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really mobile. so 4 hours on batteryHDD seems possible. I respectfully disagree. As much as I hate Apple as a company, I currently have a MacBook Pro that gets over 4 hours of battery life and has a 200+gig HDD in it. i wrote somehow incompatible :) your macbook pro would run even more hours on the same battery with flash drive. i don't know how much your CPU gets power, and ... how oversized battery it has ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 13:31 -0400, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: -- From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:09 PM To: Gabor Kovesdan ga...@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-mob...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD I'm about to buy a netbook, which: - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important) - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours) - has a normal HDD not an SSD point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really mobile. so 4 hours on batteryHDD seems possible. I respectfully disagree. As much as I hate Apple as a company, I currently have a MacBook Pro that gets over 4 hours of battery life and has a 200+gig HDD in it. I did not run FreeBSD on it, so I apologize for slight OT, but my wife's Samsung NC10 (2.8 lbs, 10.2 screen, 160GB 5400RPM HDD) is pushing 6 hours of the battery life with the wireless on and memory upgraded to 2GB. This is under Windows XP HOME ULCPC though. Wireless card (as reported by Windows) is Atheros AR5007EG, so you might need to ask around whether it is supported by ath driver. HTH, -- Alexandre Kovalenko (Олександр Коваленко) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:40:35PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I respectfully disagree. As much as I hate Apple as a company, I currently have a MacBook Pro that gets over 4 hours of battery life and has a 200+gig HDD in it. i wrote somehow incompatible :) your macbook pro would run even more hours on the same battery with flash drive. Generally true, but with exceptions: a 2.5 HDD draws approx. 4 Watts, and you can reduce overall consumption by spinning down when idle. OTOH, a Flash drive doesn't draw that much power when idle or when read, but when writing, it is substantial (and slow). A RAM-based SSD has yet another power profile... i don't know how much your CPU gets power, and ... how oversized battery it has And to get ever more OT: my biggest gripe with current laptops and netbooks is that it is usually difficult to find external batteries, that you could either strap on or below the box (in parallel switching) or that you could hot-swap easily without having to shut down. Even a bigger external battery that you could plug into the DC input would be good enough for most uses, but you'll have to DIY, as you won't find an easy on-the-shelf solution in your electronics store. I don't mind if the internal battery lasts only 90-150 minutes, as long as I can easily swap it with the spare batteries or an external battery that I'd carry in my backback. If you need at least 8-10 hours (or even more) of continuous autonomy, that's pretty important, IMHO. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
