Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Stephan Lichtenauer

Peter,

Am 26.05.2009 um 23:13 schrieb Peter Jeremy:

On 2009-May-24 15:33:43 +0200, Gabor Kovesdan ga...@freebsd.org  
wrote:

Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that
model in particular but I googled a bit and it seems mostly  
everything

works with it.


I have the SSD version and everything except the webcam and suspend/
resume works out of the box.


What FreeBSD version are you using?

Best regards

Stephan

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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/23 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:

 I'm about to buy a netbook, which:
 - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important)
 - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours)
 - has a normal HDD not an SSD

 point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in
 order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really
 mobile. so 4 hours on batteryHDD seems possible.


http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=SSD+versus+hard+drive+powerie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8

Will you PLEASE start checking what you say before posting!

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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2009-May-27 09:47:24 +0200, Stephan Lichtenauer fbsdli...@honeyguide.net 
wrote:
 Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that
 I have the SSD version and everything except the webcam and suspend/
 resume works out of the box.

What FreeBSD version are you using?

FreeBSD 8-current.

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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-26 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2009-May-24 15:33:43 +0200, Gabor Kovesdan ga...@freebsd.org wrote:
Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that 
model in particular but I googled a bit and it seems mostly everything 
works with it.

I have the SSD version and everything except the webcam and suspend/
resume works out of the box.  With WiFi and camera turned off, I can
get over 3 hrs on the std battery doing things like locally reading
mail.  I have a USB 3G dongle and it's quite power-hungry (1/4 to 1/3
of total power consumption).

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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-25 Thread Robert Noland
On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 20:09 +0200, Gabor Kovesdan wrote:
 Koichiro IWAO escribió:
  The integrated video chip Intel GMA 500 is not a original Intel product.
  So X11 does not work with Intel driver and the driver is still 
  unavailable.  VESA is the only available driver.

Does anyone have the pci ids for this?  I have some patches around here
for an IGD device that I think is a G41 but afaik was un-released at
the time that I created that patch.

robert.

  If you want use X11, do not forget to choose Atom N series.
 Uh, thanks a lot, I almost chose the 751h model, but now I decided to 
 take the 531. It comes with Intel 945GM.

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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-25 Thread parv
in message 20090524161901.gb3...@current.sisis.de,
wrote Matthias Apitz thusly...

  On Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:29 +0200, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
   I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi,
   1024x600 9 display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for
   UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should,
   only the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this
   at the moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video
   as well).
...
 The battery (6600 mAh) gives me around 4.5 hours autonomy, but
 often I find a point with power.

(Argh, darn quicky fingers!)

Sorry for bothering with earlier mail about battery life.


  - Parv

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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-25 Thread parv
in message 20090524135229.ga3...@current.sisis.de,
wrote Matthias Apitz thusly...

  Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko escribió:
  I did not run FreeBSD on it, so I apologize for slight OT, but
  my wife's Samsung NC10 (2.8 lbs, 10.2 screen, 160GB 5400RPM
  HDD) is pushing 6 hours of the battery life with the wireless
  on and memory upgraded to 2GB. This is under Windows XP HOME
  ULCPC though.
...
 I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi,
 1024x600 9 display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for
 UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only
 the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this at the
 moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video as well).

Matthias,

What kind of battery life do you get (with and without WIFI use)?


  - Parv

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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-25 Thread Wojciech Puchar

1024x600 9 display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for
UMTS. I have installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only
the inbuild cam is not supported, but I don't neet this at the
moment (maybe later when Skype for FreeBSD can do video as well).


Matthias,

What kind of battery life do you get (with and without WIFI use)?

and with/without Huawei E220. it's realy heavy battery drainer, takes much 
more than WiFi - i have this UMTS interface.

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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-24 Thread Gabor Kovesdan

Wojciech Puchar escribió:


I'm about to buy a netbook, which:
- is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important)
- has a good battery life (at least 4 hours)
- has a normal HDD not an SSD


point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway 
in order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those 
really mobile. so 4 hours on batteryHDD seems possible.


Yes, but buying anything is always about compromises. Recent HDD models 
are pretty good and I don't need the most hi-end model with an extreme 
battery life, just a reasonable uptime with HDD. I think I'll go for the 
Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that 
model in particular but I googled a bit and it seems mostly everything 
works with it.


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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-24 Thread Gabor Kovesdan

Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko escribió:

I did not run FreeBSD on it, so I apologize for slight OT, but my wife's
Samsung NC10 (2.8 lbs, 10.2 screen, 160GB 5400RPM HDD) is pushing 6
hours of the battery life with the wireless on and memory upgraded to
2GB. This is under Windows XP HOME ULCPC though.

Wireless card (as reported by Windows) is Atheros AR5007EG, so you might
need to ask around whether it is supported by ath driver.
  
Thanks, that Samsung model seems pretty nice, as well, but it's 
significantly more expensive in Hungary than the Aspire ONE, while the 
specs are mainly the same. So I think I'll go for the Acer netbook if 
someone doesn't convince me quickly not to do so...


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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-24 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Sunday, May 24, 2009 a las 03:43:53PM +0200, Gabor Kovesdan escribió:

 Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko escribió:
 I did not run FreeBSD on it, so I apologize for slight OT, but my wife's
 Samsung NC10 (2.8 lbs, 10.2 screen, 160GB 5400RPM HDD) is pushing 6
 hours of the battery life with the wireless on and memory upgraded to
 2GB. This is under Windows XP HOME ULCPC though.
 
 Wireless card (as reported by Windows) is Atheros AR5007EG, so you might
 need to ask around whether it is supported by ath driver.
   
 Thanks, that Samsung model seems pretty nice, as well, but it's 
 significantly more expensive in Hungary than the Aspire ONE, while the 
 specs are mainly the same. So I think I'll go for the Acer netbook if 
 someone doesn't convince me quickly not to do so...

I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, 1024x600 9
display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for UMTS. I have
installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only the inbuild cam is
not supported, but I don't neet this at the moment (maybe later when Skype
for FreeBSD can do video as well).

matthias
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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-24 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:29 +0200, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
 I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, 1024x600 9
 display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for UMTS. I have
 installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only the inbuild cam is
 not supported, but I don't neet this at the moment (maybe later when Skype
 for FreeBSD can do video as well).

I would tend to buy one myself in the future, especially for
LAN and WLAN diagnostics (at the customer's site). I like the
concept of the SSD in opposite to a moving parts classical
hard disk. Size and battery life are okay (for what they are
intended for), and I think older models of the EeePC will
get a bit cheaper over the time. I'm very greedy, so I mostly
think: Do I REALLY need this - and spend money on it? :-)

There is a nice description about how to install FreeBSD on
this device at http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt - and
I can't wait to try this out. But I'm sure I would not want
to run KDE or Gnome on this thing...

Of course, it would be nice to have access to the camera (at
least you paid for it), be it by Skype or simply by mencoder.
Maybe it will be supported in the future.

By the way, can you tell me how expensive (approx.) is the
UMTS dongle, and how much is using it? (I'm curious, and
since you're from a .de domain, your answer should apply
to me, too.)


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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-24 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Sunday, May 24, 2009 a las 04:56:11PM +0200, Polytropon escribió:

 On Sun, 24 May 2009 15:52:29 +0200, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
  I have a real netbook, an EeePC 900 with 20 GByte SSD, Wifi, 1024x600 9
  display and an attached USB Huawei E220 dongel for UMTS. I have
  installed 8-CURRENT and all works as it should, only the inbuild cam is
  not supported, but I don't neet this at the moment (maybe later when Skype
  for FreeBSD can do video as well).
 
 I would tend to buy one myself in the future, especially for
 LAN and WLAN diagnostics (at the customer's site). I like the
 concept of the SSD in opposite to a moving parts classical
 hard disk. Size and battery life are okay (for what they are
 intended for), and I think older models of the EeePC will
 get a bit cheaper over the time. I'm very greedy, so I mostly
 think: Do I REALLY need this - and spend money on it? :-)

I'm using mine one for reading books in Spanish and writing private
stuff; I have a Spanish dictionary on it and an offline version of the
Spanish Wikipedia. As well I use it to connect to Internet when I'm
sitting in a beer garden to access things I wanna read. It is a netbook
per definition. And really cool. The battery (6600 mAh) gives me around
4.5 hours autonomy, but often I find a point with power.

 There is a nice description about how to install FreeBSD on
 this device at http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt - and
 I can't wait to try this out. But I'm sure I would not want
 to run KDE or Gnome on this thing...

why? it just runs fast on it;

The above description is still on RELENG_7 level, I will update it soon for
CURRENT which is I run now.

 
 Of course, it would be nice to have access to the camera (at
 least you paid for it), be it by Skype or simply by mencoder.
 Maybe it will be supported in the future.
 
 By the way, can you tell me how expensive (approx.) is the
 UMTS dongle, and how much is using it? (I'm curious, and
 since you're from a .de domain, your answer should apply
 to me, too.)

I have a flat rate SIM and PCMCIA card from the company I'm working for.
And bought the UMTS dongle for my private usage in eBay for around 35
euro, I think. I'm using it nearly every evening.

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happy since 2.2.5 (around 1997, I think).

matthias

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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-24 Thread Koichiro IWAO

Hi.

Gabor Kovesdan :

Hello,

I'm about to buy a netbook, which:
- is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important)
- has a good battery life (at least 4 hours)
- has a normal HDD not an SSD


I don't know about that you are going to buy, but I have Dell Inspiron 
mini 12.  One of the big problem with FreeBSD is the video Driver.

Most of netbooks have Intel Atom Z series CPU.  Atom Z series have
integrated chipset and video chip.

The integrated video chip Intel GMA 500 is not a original Intel product.
So X11 does not work with Intel driver and the driver is still 
unavailable.  VESA is the only available driver.


If you want use X11, do not forget to choose Atom N series.

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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-24 Thread Gabor Kovesdan

Koichiro IWAO escribió:

The integrated video chip Intel GMA 500 is not a original Intel product.
So X11 does not work with Intel driver and the driver is still 
unavailable.  VESA is the only available driver.


If you want use X11, do not forget to choose Atom N series.
Uh, thanks a lot, I almost chose the 751h model, but now I decided to 
take the 531. It comes with Intel 945GM.


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netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-23 Thread Gabor Kovesdan

Hello,

I'm about to buy a netbook, which:
- is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important)
- has a good battery life (at least 4 hours)
- has a normal HDD not an SSD

I was told that the new 6 cell Acer Aspire ONEs aren't bad. Could you 
share your experiences about the following models, please? Or of course, 
if you have other suggestions, I'm open to them.


Acer Aspire one D250-1B
Acer Aspire one D150-1B
MSI WIND U100-029HU (this one is very tempting because of the 2GB RAM 
and the 2-year warranty)


Thanks in advance,

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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar


I'm about to buy a netbook, which:
- is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important)
- has a good battery life (at least 4 hours)
- has a normal HDD not an SSD


point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in 
order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really 
mobile. so 4 hours on batteryHDD seems possible.


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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-23 Thread Sean Cavanaugh

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To: Gabor Kovesdan ga...@freebsd.org
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-mob...@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD



I'm about to buy a netbook, which:
- is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important)
- has a good battery life (at least 4 hours)
- has a normal HDD not an SSD


point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in 
order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really 
mobile. so 4 hours on batteryHDD seems possible.




I respectfully disagree. As much as I hate Apple as a company, I currently 
have a MacBook Pro that gets over 4 hours of battery life and has a 200+gig 
HDD in it. 


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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar


point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in 
order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really 
mobile. so 4 hours on batteryHDD seems possible.




I respectfully disagree. As much as I hate Apple as a company, I currently 
have a MacBook Pro that gets over 4 hours of battery life and has a 200+gig 
HDD in it. 


i wrote somehow incompatible :)

your macbook pro would run even more hours on the same battery with flash 
drive.
i don't know how much your CPU gets power, and ... how oversized battery 
it has

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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-23 Thread Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko
On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 13:31 -0400, Sean Cavanaugh wrote:
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 From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl
 Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:09 PM
 To: Gabor Kovesdan ga...@freebsd.org
 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-mob...@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD
 
 
  I'm about to buy a netbook, which:
  - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important)
  - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours)
  - has a normal HDD not an SSD
 
  point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in 
  order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really 
  mobile. so 4 hours on batteryHDD seems possible.
 
 
 I respectfully disagree. As much as I hate Apple as a company, I currently 
 have a MacBook Pro that gets over 4 hours of battery life and has a 200+gig 
 HDD in it. 
 
I did not run FreeBSD on it, so I apologize for slight OT, but my wife's
Samsung NC10 (2.8 lbs, 10.2 screen, 160GB 5400RPM HDD) is pushing 6
hours of the battery life with the wireless on and memory upgraded to
2GB. This is under Windows XP HOME ULCPC though.

Wireless card (as reported by Windows) is Atheros AR5007EG, so you might
need to ask around whether it is supported by ath driver.

HTH,
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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-23 Thread cpghost
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:40:35PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
  I respectfully disagree. As much as I hate Apple as a company, I
  currently have a MacBook Pro that gets over 4 hours of battery
  life and has a 200+gig HDD in it.
 
 i wrote somehow incompatible :)
 
 your macbook pro would run even more hours on the same battery with flash 
 drive.

Generally true, but with exceptions: a 2.5 HDD draws approx.
4 Watts, and you can reduce overall consumption by spinning down
when idle.

OTOH, a Flash drive doesn't draw that much power when idle or
when read, but when writing, it is substantial (and slow). A
RAM-based SSD has yet another power profile...

 i don't know how much your CPU gets power, and ... how oversized
 battery it has

And to get ever more OT: my biggest gripe with current laptops and
netbooks is that it is usually difficult to find external batteries,
that you could either strap on or below the box (in parallel
switching) or that you could hot-swap easily without having to shut
down.

Even a bigger external battery that you could plug into the DC input
would be good enough for most uses, but you'll have to DIY, as you
won't find an easy on-the-shelf solution in your electronics store.

I don't mind if the internal battery lasts only 90-150 minutes, as
long as I can easily swap it with the spare batteries or an external
battery that I'd carry in my backback. If you need at least 8-10 hours
(or even more) of continuous autonomy, that's pretty important, IMHO.

-cpghost.

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