Re: freebsd IT mailing list or newsgroup?

2005-01-20 Thread Jon Drews
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:05:41 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have you seen my book and website?
> 
> http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com
> 
> It is out of print now but still available on Amazon.


Ted;

 Will you do an updated version of the book some day ? I see it has 4
and 1/2 stars on Amazon.com; a very good reader review rating.

  Kind regards,
  Jonathan
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RE: freebsd IT mailing list or newsgroup?

2005-01-20 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Durham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:42 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Subject: Re: freebsd IT mailing list or newsgroup?
> 
> 
> On Saturday 15 January 2005 03:05 pm, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> 
> >
> > Have you seen my book and website?
> >
> > http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com
> >
> > It is out of print now but still available on Amazon.
> >
> 
> I have the book and I contributed some stuff to you a few 
> years ago 8-) .
> 

Thanks!

Ted
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RE: freebsd IT mailing list or newsgroup?

2005-01-20 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Durham
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: freebsd IT mailing list or newsgroup?
> 
> 
> I guess I would have to say that the niche I am talking about 
> is supporting 
> applications of a corporate/business nature on FreeBSD. 
> 

One big problem with this is that still, the majority of software
business apps are commercial packages, and the vendors of those
packages release their apps for platforms that they consider to
help them sell their software.

The Oracle story is a good example.  Back in 1999-2000, Oracle
actually completed a port of Oracle to FreeBSD.  But they never
released it, deciding that there was not enough market for
it.  Later they released it for Linux, but still, even today, many
companies that sell Oracle-related software still don't have
Linux ports.

Naturally, a lot of software that isn't really a corporate business
application (like a web server) is used by business and by
corporations.  But that is already covered plenty elsewhere.

Ted
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Re: freebsd IT mailing list or newsgroup?

2005-01-18 Thread Jim Durham
On Monday 17 January 2005 04:55 pm, Gene wrote:
> Ever thought about starting one of your own?
> Gene

Actually, yes, if I didn't find one. 

Anyone interested?  Mailing list? Wiki? Whatever?

-Jim

>
> Jim Durham wrote:
> >On Saturday 15 January 2005 01:12 pm, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> >>Jim Durham wrote:
> >>>I am the sys admin for a company of about 500 people and I am running
> >>>Sendmail/Procmail/Spamassassin, Samba, Apache/PHP/MySql on
> >>> FreeBSD..about 8 servers in 3 offices across the US and soon to be
> >>> more.
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Re: freebsd IT mailing list or newsgroup?

2005-01-17 Thread Gene
Ever thought about starting one of your own?
Gene
Jim Durham wrote:
On Saturday 15 January 2005 01:12 pm, Chuck Swiger wrote:
 

Jim Durham wrote:
   

I am the sys admin for a company of about 500 people and I am running
Sendmail/Procmail/Spamassassin, Samba, Apache/PHP/MySql on FreeBSD..about
8 servers in 3 offices across the US and soon to be more.
 

OK.
   

Freebsd-questions is wonderful and I find a lot of answers there, but the
signal-to-noise is low when you are just looking for IT-oriented
information regarding FreeBSD. Especially regarding systems implemented
for an office/LAN environment.
I was wondering if there is any mailing list or newsgroup devoted to IT
on FreeBSD? Google is not returning any hits on this, nor the listing on
freebsd.org.
 

Your question parses, but it is not clear what specific thing you have in
mind that would seperate an IT-oriented list from a non-IT oriented list. 
Can you either give an example question or two, or can you say why
freebsd-questions is *not* IT-oriented?
   

Sorry for the slow reply...I was out of touch for a day..
I guess I'm thinking that there are just a lot of things that you get into in 
a corporate environment . "For instances" are hard to think of off the top of 
my head, but, how about implementing Citrix NFuse on Tomcat on FreeBSD? They 
always assume Linux or Solaris or (sorry..SCO..8-) ) and while you can make 
it work on FreeBSD, you spend a lot of time fixing stuff that probably 
someone else has fixed before or conversly, you should be sharing thi info so 
others don't have to wade through the 'discovery' process.
 

Or does your question mean you looking for a list whose members are mostly
sysadmins and network managers, rather than end-users? 
   

Exactly. 

 

FreeBSD doesn't 
really make much distinction between an end-user and a sysadmin [1], but
you might find freebsd-stable or freebsd-isp to come closer to what you are
looking for.
   

What I'm saying is a list like freebsd-isp, but focused on corporate IT with 
FreeBSD.  -isp is helpful, and I *am* subscribed, but doesn't include a lot 
of IT types.

(snip)
 

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Re: freebsd IT mailing list or newsgroup?

2005-01-17 Thread Jim Durham
On Saturday 15 January 2005 03:15 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Jim Durham wrote:
> > I am the sys admin for a company of about 500 people and I am running
> > Sendmail/Procmail/Spamassassin, Samba, Apache/PHP/MySql on FreeBSD..about
> > 8 servers in 3 offices across the US and soon to be more.
>
> <...>
>
> > I was wondering if there is any mailing list or newsgroup devoted to IT
> > on FreeBSD? Google is not returning any hits on this, nor the listing on
> > freebsd.org.
>
> I'm not really understanding the distinction that you're looking for.
> For FreeBSD-specific technical discussions, this is the place.
> Applications of course have their own lists, which are obviously more
> appropriate for application-specific questions.

I guess I would have to say that the niche I am talking about is supporting 
applications of a corporate/business nature on FreeBSD. 

>
> For broader discussions, perhaps regarding best practices in system
> administration, commercial backup recommendations, etc, I find SAGE (the
> System Administrators Guild) to be an extremely valuable resource. The
> community seems roughly split between the educational and corporate
> sectors, with a very high level of signal. The topics covered on the
> SAGE mailing list are of high relevance to the profession and practices
> of system administrators, especially for someone with a network such as
> yours.
>
> http://www.sage.org
>

Good suggestion. I will check that out.

Thanks!

-Jim
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Re: freebsd IT mailing list or newsgroup?

2005-01-17 Thread Jim Durham
On Saturday 15 January 2005 03:05 pm, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

>
> Have you seen my book and website?
>
> http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com
>
> It is out of print now but still available on Amazon.
>

I have the book and I contributed some stuff to you a few years ago 8-) .

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Re: freebsd IT mailing list or newsgroup?

2005-01-17 Thread Jim Durham
On Saturday 15 January 2005 01:12 pm, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> Jim Durham wrote:
> > I am the sys admin for a company of about 500 people and I am running
> > Sendmail/Procmail/Spamassassin, Samba, Apache/PHP/MySql on FreeBSD..about
> > 8 servers in 3 offices across the US and soon to be more.
>
> OK.
>
> > Freebsd-questions is wonderful and I find a lot of answers there, but the
> > signal-to-noise is low when you are just looking for IT-oriented
> > information regarding FreeBSD. Especially regarding systems implemented
> > for an office/LAN environment.
> >
> > I was wondering if there is any mailing list or newsgroup devoted to IT
> > on FreeBSD? Google is not returning any hits on this, nor the listing on
> > freebsd.org.
>
> Your question parses, but it is not clear what specific thing you have in
> mind that would seperate an IT-oriented list from a non-IT oriented list. 
> Can you either give an example question or two, or can you say why
> freebsd-questions is *not* IT-oriented?

Sorry for the slow reply...I was out of touch for a day..

I guess I'm thinking that there are just a lot of things that you get into in 
a corporate environment . "For instances" are hard to think of off the top of 
my head, but, how about implementing Citrix NFuse on Tomcat on FreeBSD? They 
always assume Linux or Solaris or (sorry..SCO..8-) ) and while you can make 
it work on FreeBSD, you spend a lot of time fixing stuff that probably 
someone else has fixed before or conversly, you should be sharing thi info so 
others don't have to wade through the 'discovery' process.
>
> Or does your question mean you looking for a list whose members are mostly
> sysadmins and network managers, rather than end-users? 

Exactly. 

> FreeBSD doesn't 
> really make much distinction between an end-user and a sysadmin [1], but
> you might find freebsd-stable or freebsd-isp to come closer to what you are
> looking for.

What I'm saying is a list like freebsd-isp, but focused on corporate IT with 
FreeBSD.  -isp is helpful, and I *am* subscribed, but doesn't include a lot 
of IT types.

(snip)

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Re: freebsd IT mailing list or newsgroup?

2005-01-16 Thread Murray Taylor
On Sun, 2005-01-16 at 05:12, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> Jim Durham wrote:
> > I am the sys admin for a company of about 500 people and I am running 
> > Sendmail/Procmail/Spamassassin, Samba, Apache/PHP/MySql on FreeBSD..about 8 
> > servers in 3 offices across the US and soon to be more.
> 
> OK.
> 
> > Freebsd-questions is wonderful and I find a lot of answers there, but the 
> > signal-to-noise is low when you are just looking for IT-oriented 
> > information 
> > regarding FreeBSD. Especially regarding systems implemented for an 
> > office/LAN 
> > environment.
> > 
> > I was wondering if there is any mailing list or newsgroup devoted to IT on 
> > FreeBSD? Google is not returning any hits on this, nor the listing on 
> > freebsd.org. 
> 
> Your question parses, but it is not clear what specific thing you have in 
> mind 
> that would seperate an IT-oriented list from a non-IT oriented list.  Can you 
> either give an example question or two, or can you say why freebsd-questions 
> is *not* IT-oriented?
> 
> Or does your question mean you looking for a list whose members are mostly 
> sysadmins and network managers, rather than end-users?  FreeBSD doesn't 
> really 
> make much distinction between an end-user and a sysadmin [1], but you might 
> find freebsd-stable or freebsd-isp to come closer to what you are looking for.
> 
> --
> -Chuck
> 
> [1]: Which can be benefit sometimes, or it can be a problem, especially for 
> novice users, but that's another topic.

I agree the the S/N ratio is [a] variable [b] generally high ...

However I also find that for a specific question posed by oneself,
the S/N ratio improves a lot with directed answers generally being quite
useful. Admittedly, sometimes they can be 'short and succinct' 
(read terse), especially if it is a common question for which the 
answer could have been filtered out of the preceeding 'noise'.

cheers
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Re: freebsd IT mailing list or newsgroup?

2005-01-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jim Durham wrote:
I am the sys admin for a company of about 500 people and I am running 
Sendmail/Procmail/Spamassassin, Samba, Apache/PHP/MySql on FreeBSD..about 8 
servers in 3 offices across the US and soon to be more.
<...>
I was wondering if there is any mailing list or newsgroup devoted to IT on 
FreeBSD? Google is not returning any hits on this, nor the listing on 
freebsd.org. 
I'm not really understanding the distinction that you're looking for. 
For FreeBSD-specific technical discussions, this is the place. 
Applications of course have their own lists, which are obviously more 
appropriate for application-specific questions.

For broader discussions, perhaps regarding best practices in system 
administration, commercial backup recommendations, etc, I find SAGE (the 
System Administrators Guild) to be an extremely valuable resource. The 
community seems roughly split between the educational and corporate 
sectors, with a very high level of signal. The topics covered on the 
SAGE mailing list are of high relevance to the profession and practices 
of system administrators, especially for someone with a network such as 
yours.

http://www.sage.org
Cheers,
Sebastian
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RE: freebsd IT mailing list or newsgroup?

2005-01-15 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Durham
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 8:48 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: freebsd IT mailing list or newsgroup?
> 
> 
> I am the sys admin for a company of about 500 people and I am running 
> Sendmail/Procmail/Spamassassin, Samba, Apache/PHP/MySql on 
> FreeBSD..about 8 
> servers in 3 offices across the US and soon to be more.
> 
> Freebsd-questions is wonderful and I find a lot of answers 
> there, but the 
> signal-to-noise is low when you are just looking for 
> IT-oriented information 
> regarding FreeBSD. Especially regarding systems implemented 
> for an office/LAN 
> environment.
> 
> I was wondering if there is any mailing list or newsgroup 
> devoted to IT on 
> FreeBSD? Google is not returning any hits on this, nor the listing on 
> freebsd.org. 
> 

Have you seen my book and website?

http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com

It is out of print now but still available on Amazon.

Ted
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Re: freebsd IT mailing list or newsgroup?

2005-01-15 Thread Chuck Swiger
Jim Durham wrote:
I am the sys admin for a company of about 500 people and I am running 
Sendmail/Procmail/Spamassassin, Samba, Apache/PHP/MySql on FreeBSD..about 8 
servers in 3 offices across the US and soon to be more.
OK.
Freebsd-questions is wonderful and I find a lot of answers there, but the 
signal-to-noise is low when you are just looking for IT-oriented information 
regarding FreeBSD. Especially regarding systems implemented for an office/LAN 
environment.

I was wondering if there is any mailing list or newsgroup devoted to IT on 
FreeBSD? Google is not returning any hits on this, nor the listing on 
freebsd.org. 
Your question parses, but it is not clear what specific thing you have in mind 
that would seperate an IT-oriented list from a non-IT oriented list.  Can you 
either give an example question or two, or can you say why freebsd-questions 
is *not* IT-oriented?

Or does your question mean you looking for a list whose members are mostly 
sysadmins and network managers, rather than end-users?  FreeBSD doesn't really 
make much distinction between an end-user and a sysadmin [1], but you might 
find freebsd-stable or freebsd-isp to come closer to what you are looking for.

--
-Chuck
[1]: Which can be benefit sometimes, or it can be a problem, especially for 
novice users, but that's another topic.
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freebsd IT mailing list or newsgroup?

2005-01-15 Thread Jim Durham
I am the sys admin for a company of about 500 people and I am running 
Sendmail/Procmail/Spamassassin, Samba, Apache/PHP/MySql on FreeBSD..about 8 
servers in 3 offices across the US and soon to be more.

Freebsd-questions is wonderful and I find a lot of answers there, but the 
signal-to-noise is low when you are just looking for IT-oriented information 
regarding FreeBSD. Especially regarding systems implemented for an office/LAN 
environment.

I was wondering if there is any mailing list or newsgroup devoted to IT on 
FreeBSD? Google is not returning any hits on this, nor the listing on 
freebsd.org. 

If such a list or newsgroup does not exist, would there be any interest in 
starting one or both?

-- 
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Re: best newsgroup?

2004-12-22 Thread W. D.
At 09:21 12/22/2004, Pervert Files wrote:
>Hello,
>
>What is the best newsgroup to read freebsd question.  
>muc.lists.freebsd.questions doesn't seem to be updating with anything on my 
>news provider.
>
>--
>Thanks,
>Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You can also try:
http://www.Mail-Archive.com/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/


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Re: best newsgroup?

2004-12-22 Thread Nikolas Britton
Joshua Lokken wrote:
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:28:58 -0600, Nikolas Britton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Yes that worked, cool, now I can search every newsgroup with the word
freebsd in it: http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?&as_ugroup=*.freebsd.*
   

http://www.google.com/bsd
 

Yes this is a usefull tool as well but it will only let you search web pages
here's this thread in google groups: 
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/mailing.freebsd.questions/browse_thread/thread/a645030a2aba09d2/da511797e7f307ba

You can clearly see that they keep it up to date :-)
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Re: best newsgroup?

2004-12-22 Thread Joshua Lokken
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:28:58 -0600, Nikolas Britton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes that worked, cool, now I can search every newsgroup with the word
> freebsd in it: http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?&as_ugroup=*.freebsd.*

http://www.google.com/bsd

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Re: best newsgroup?

2004-12-22 Thread Nikolas Britton
Nikolas Britton wrote:
This ones easy (tho I hate there "new" style), bookmark this link to 
your toolbar as "BSD Search": 
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?&as_ugroup=mailing.freebsd.*

This will let you google all the freebsd mailing lists, in the search 
box you'll see "group:mailing.freebsd.*", don't delete it, you can 
type in front of it or after it.

and note that you can change as_ugroup= to anything you want, and you 
know.. I've never tried it like this: *.freebsd.* hmm?

Yes that worked, cool, now I can search every newsgroup with the word 
freebsd in it: http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?&as_ugroup=*.freebsd.*

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Re: best newsgroup?

2004-12-22 Thread Nikolas Britton
Joshua Tinnin wrote:
On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 10:20:04AM -0600, Joshua Lokken wrote:
 

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:21:46 -0500, Pervert Files
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   

Hello,
What is the best newsgroup to read freebsd question. 
muc.lists.freebsd.questions doesn't seem to be updating 
with anything on my news provider.
 

Well, a google search on 'freebsd questions archives' shows:
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-September/059184.html
http://archive.pilgerer.org/mharc/html/freebsd-questions/
   

The archives are easily available, as Joshua showed, but if you want to
browse the questions list on a newsgroup, check out 
mailing.freebsd.questions.

- jt
 

This ones easy (tho I hate there "new" style), bookmark this link to 
your toolbar as "BSD Search": 
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?&as_ugroup=mailing.freebsd.*

This will let you google all the freebsd mailing lists, in the search 
box you'll see "group:mailing.freebsd.*", don't delete it, you can type 
in front of it or after it.

and note that you can change as_ugroup= to anything you want, and you 
know.. I've never tried it like this: *.freebsd.* hmm?
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Re: best newsgroup?

2004-12-22 Thread Joshua Tinnin
On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 10:20:04AM -0600, Joshua Lokken wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:21:46 -0500, Pervert Files
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > What is the best newsgroup to read freebsd question. 
> > muc.lists.freebsd.questions doesn't seem to be updating 
> > with anything on my news provider.
> 
> Well, a google search on 'freebsd questions archives' shows:
> 
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-September/059184.html
> http://archive.pilgerer.org/mharc/html/freebsd-questions/

The archives are easily available, as Joshua showed, but if you want to
browse the questions list on a newsgroup, check out 
mailing.freebsd.questions.

- jt
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Re: best newsgroup?

2004-12-22 Thread Joshua Lokken
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:21:46 -0500, Pervert Files
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> What is the best newsgroup to read freebsd question. 
> muc.lists.freebsd.questions doesn't seem to be updating 
> with anything on my news provider.

Well, a google search on 'freebsd questions archives' shows:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-September/059184.html
http://archive.pilgerer.org/mharc/html/freebsd-questions/

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best newsgroup?

2004-12-22 Thread Pervert Files
Hello,

What is the best newsgroup to read freebsd question.  
muc.lists.freebsd.questions doesn't seem to be updating with anything on my 
news provider.

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Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: binaries newsgroup downloader

2003-12-29 Thread Leif Neland

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 9:59 AM
Subject: binaries newsgroup downloader


> Hi, I am using freeBSD 5.1
> 
> I'm am looking for a newgroup 
> binary downloader. The glitter
> port package says broken link
> when i type make install. Do you
> know an alternative GUI program
> I can used?

If you don't need the gui, you can use newsgrab

Leif

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binaries newsgroup downloader

2003-12-29 Thread dvelez502
Hi, I am using freeBSD 5.1

I'm am looking for a newgroup 
binary downloader. The glitter
port package says broken link
when i type make install. Do you
know an alternative GUI program
I can used?

I appreciate your help.

Thanks


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newsgroup

2003-10-12 Thread Gerogi Ivanov
Hello , 
How to join in any newsgroup ??
Thanks 

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2002-07-24 Thread AZN Unix

i installed slrn but i can't figure out how to configure it

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