UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Andy Hiscock
After being advised to upgrade after a freebsd-update I have successfully 
upgraded from 7.2 to 8.0-p3. OK but have come across a major problem for me.

OK time for a BIG rant this has been going on for 2 days (very sorry)

After the install of the new kernel Samba isn't working.   I TTL's onto the 
server and tried a testparm but the error messages suggest I have dependancies 
missing?! - surely this should be taken into account when upgrading versions - 
Major schoolboy error on FreeBSD when Linux can do this basic task seamlessly!

OK I try sysinstall and find SAMBA isn't marked as installed.  I select samba 
for install but when installing SAMBA get a error code -1 (WTF is that all 
about REALLY USEFUL error message mate!)

Looked on google and keeps referring to PORTS being installed.  Tried the 
examples of how to install SAMBA but get loads of failed command line 
instructions - Doesn't say anything about installing PORTS during initial 
installation.  So I guess you can say I don't have Ports installed - why 
isn't this done automatically if its absolutely so critical for the OS to 
function right?  Error messages that mean nothing to the every day user.   
Apparently I am meant to have something called PORTS installed before I've even 
setup the server.  Im really beginning to lose my rag with this OS.  Is it 
meant for gurus only?

So what am I meant to do now.  Now I have XXX GB of data I cant access though 
SAMBA prior to the install?



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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:10:32 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 After being advised to upgrade after a freebsd-update I have
 successfully upgraded from 7.2 to 8.0-p3. OK but have come
 across a major problem for me.
 
 OK time for a BIG rant this has been going on for 2 days (very sorry)
 
 After the install of the new kernel Samba isn't working.   I TTL's
 onto the server and tried a testparm but the error messages suggest
 I have dependancies missing?! - surely this should be taken into
 account when upgrading versions - Major schoolboy error on FreeBSD
 when Linux can do this basic task seamlessly!

When you upgraded from 7 to 8, you need to recompile your ports
(or delete and re-install from packages). You can also install
the 7 compatibility libraries.



 OK I try sysinstall and find SAMBA isn't marked as installed. 

The sysinstall program doesn't know what's installed. It's just a
selection interface to the pkg_add program.



 I select samba for install but when installing SAMBA get a error
 code -1 (WTF is that all about REALLY USEFUL error message mate!)

The sysinstall program can't tell you what's the problem. The
pkg_add program probably exited with -1, and that's what sysinstall
is informing you about.



 Looked on google and keeps referring to PORTS being installed. 
 Tried the examples of how to install SAMBA but get loads of failed
 command line instructions - Doesn't say anything about installing 
 PORTS during initial installation.

At this moment, it would be useful if you could provide (1st) what
command you entered and (2nd) what the system responded.

Basically, in order to perform a major update of a system, you first
update your ports tree (e. g. using portsnap), then you enter the
port's directory in question and do make deinstall, followed by
make reinstall. You can of course use programs like portmaster,
portupgrade or portmanager to take care of this. For example, per-
forming the upgrade of all installed applications, the command
portupgrade -a can be used.

I may repeat: Major version updates of the OS usually require the
re-compilation of all installed ports.



 So I guess you can say I don't have Ports installed - why isn't
 this done automatically if its absolutely so critical for the OS
 to function right? 

In fact, it isn't. You can live without the ports collection. This
collection is just a subtree /usr/ports that is usually installed
together with the OS. You can use sysinstall to install the ports
collection after the system has been installed, or you can use
portsnap to obtain it. This subtree contains a hierarchy with
files describing how to handle (configure, install, deinstall, 
upgrade) applications. It is meant to make compiling programs
easier (no ./configure  make  make install), and there
are programs interfacing with this system.

If you don't want to use ports, use packages. This is usually
done through sysinstall or pkg_add (see man pkg_add), as well
as, for example, portinstall -PP samba (see man portupgrade)
which will install sanba by utilizing the ports tree, but not
by compiling - instead by getting the package.




 Error messages that mean nothing to the every day user.  

When you're dealing with ports and packages, you're not an every
day user (in terms of average user). In such a case, you shouldn't
even consider upgrading your system without reading the instructions
telling you how to do it.

I may politely point you at the excellent documentation provided
for FreeBSD - The FreeBSD Handbook and the FAQ. Feel free to read
more about OS and application upgrade there, and find out how easy
it is as soon as you *know* what to do.



 Apparently I am meant to have something called PORTS installed
 before I've even setup the server. 

No. You don't need the ports collection, and you can install it
whenever you want. Please read in the documentation what a port
exactly is, and what a package is.



 Im really beginning to lose my rag with this OS. 
 Is it meant for gurus only?

No.



 So what am I meant to do now. 

Maybe first you bring your ports tree up to date, then install
portupgrade, and finally do portupgrade -a. Before you do
this, read man portupgrade, and maybe man ports.


 Now I have XXX GB of data I cant access though SAMBA prior to the install?

I don't understand, sorry.



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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread David Allen
On 6/3/10, Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com wrote:
 After being advised to upgrade after a freebsd-update I have successfully
 upgraded from 7.2 to 8.0-p3. OK but have come across a major problem for me.

 OK time for a BIG rant this has been going on for 2 days (very sorry)

 After the install of the new kernel Samba isn't working.   I TTL's onto the
 server and tried a testparm but the error messages suggest I have
 dependancies missing?! - surely this should be taken into account when
 upgrading versions - Major schoolboy error on FreeBSD when Linux can do this
 basic task seamlessly!

[snip rest of useless rant]

Never come across this myself til now, but it seems there's a problem
in ports that touches Samba.  Probably related to your Samba install
complaining. From a ports tree updated just a while ago:

bash3-3.2.51 Dependency: gettext-0.17_1
gettext-0.17_1 Information for gettext-0.17_1:
lynx-2.8.7.1_1,1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
mutt-devel-1.5.20_5 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
popt-1.14_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
samba34-3.4.5_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
wget-1.12_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1

I guess it's a choice between bash working, or everything else working.
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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Andy Hiscock
Again Ports?   What is that about...  I've run the server and upgraded from 
7.0-7,2 with no problem or need to change any config files before.  Its 
upgraded with no problem before.

How do I install Ports?  How do I reinstall Samba without getting a error -1 
in sysinstall?




From: David Allen the.real.david.al...@gmail.com
To: Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 21:15:55
Subject: Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

On 6/3/10, Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com wrote:
 After being advised to upgrade after a freebsd-update I have successfully
 upgraded from 7.2 to 8.0-p3. OK but have come across a major problem for me.

 OK time for a BIG rant this has been going on for 2 days (very sorry)

 After the install of the new kernel Samba isn't working.   I TTL's onto the
 server and tried a testparm but the error messages suggest I have
 dependancies missing?! - surely this should be taken into account when
 upgrading versions - Major schoolboy error on FreeBSD when Linux can do this
 basic task seamlessly!

[snip rest of useless rant]

Never come across this myself til now, but it seems there's a problem
in ports that touches Samba.  Probably related to your Samba install
complaining. From a ports tree updated just a while ago:

bash3-3.2.51 Dependency: gettext-0.17_1
gettext-0.17_1 Information for gettext-0.17_1:
lynx-2.8.7.1_1,1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
mutt-devel-1.5.20_5 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
popt-1.14_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
samba34-3.4.5_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
wget-1.12_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1

I guess it's a choice between bash working, or everything else working.
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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
Re-including the list...

On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:14:03 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 Right how can I uninstall back to 7.2?

Well... I have to admit that I've never done that. Basically,
it should be possible if you install the sources of 7.2 (e. g.
from the CD) to overwrite /usr/src. Then you basically do what
the Handbook says about upgrading from source, or, to quote
from /usr/src/Makefile (worth reading its beginning):

#  1.  `cd /usr/src'   (or to the directory containing your source tree).
#  2.  `make buildworld'
#  3.  `make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is GENERIC).
#  4.  `make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE'   (default is GENERIC).
#   [steps 3.  4. can be combined by using the kernel target]
#  5.  `reboot'(in single user mode: boot -s from the loader prompt).
#  6.  `mergemaster -p'
#  7.  `make installworld'
#  8.  `make delete-old'
#  9.  `mergemaster' (you may wish to use -U or -ai).
# 10.  `reboot'
# 11.  `make delete-old-libs' (in case no 3rd party program uses them anymore)

This should then give you the 7.2 version of FreeBSD back - removing
everything that freebsd-update might have updated.



I am not sure if you can use freebsd-update for this task (but I
don't see why it should not be possible); in this case, refer to
man freebsd-update, especially the -r parameter (new release).



Maybe a third possibility is to install FreeBSD 7.2 from the
CD (I just assume you installed from CD or have the CD there),
without any formatting, just overwriting. But this may be
problematic - MAY, I'm not sure.



Sorry, I'm really lacking experience in downgrading a system, as
I have never done this, so I sadly can't be more specific. Maybe
somebody on-list can be more precise (that's why I took the freedom
to re-include the list, hope that's okay).



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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Andy Hiscock
Why during the upgrade process the inspecting system shouldnt be able to find 
and identify and prepair everything that needs to be upgraded and reconfigured 
accordingly.  Surely thats what Inspecting system is meant to be doing.  No 
matter if it is FreeBSD 1.0 or the prior version to the upgrade




From: Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com
To: David Allen the.real.david.al...@gmail.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 21:21:29
Subject: Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

Again Ports?   What is that about...  I've run the server and upgraded from 
7.0-7,2 with no problem or need to change any config files before.  Its 
upgraded with no problem before.

How do I install Ports?  How do I reinstall Samba without getting a error -1 
in sysinstall?




From: David Allen the.real.david.al...@gmail.com
To: Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 21:15:55
Subject: Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

On 6/3/10, Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com wrote:
 After being advised to upgrade after a freebsd-update I have successfully
 upgraded from 7.2 to 8.0-p3. OK but have come across a major problem for me.

 OK time for a BIG rant this has been going on for 2 days (very sorry)

 After the install of the new kernel Samba isn't working.   I TTL's onto the
 server and tried a testparm but the error messages suggest I have
 dependancies missing?! - surely this should be taken into account when
 upgrading versions - Major schoolboy error on FreeBSD when Linux can do this
 basic task seamlessly!

[snip rest of useless rant]

Never come across this myself til now, but it seems there's a problem
in ports that touches Samba.  Probably related to your Samba install
complaining. From a ports tree updated just a while ago:

bash3-3.2.51 Dependency: gettext-0.17_1
gettext-0.17_1 Information for gettext-0.17_1:
lynx-2.8.7.1_1,1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
mutt-devel-1.5.20_5 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
popt-1.14_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
samba34-3.4.5_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
wget-1.12_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1

I guess it's a choice between bash working, or everything else working.
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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Andy Hiscock
ok so then running testparm i'm getting

leopard# testparm
/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object libcrypt.so.4 not found, required by 
testparm
leopard# 





From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de
To: Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 21:27:33
Subject: Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

Re-including the list...

On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:14:03 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 Right how can I uninstall back to 7.2?

Well... I have to admit that I've never done that. Basically,
it should be possible if you install the sources of 7.2 (e. g.
from the CD) to overwrite /usr/src. Then you basically do what
the Handbook says about upgrading from source, or, to quote
from /usr/src/Makefile (worth reading its beginning):

#  1.  `cd /usr/src'   (or to the directory containing your source tree).
#  2.  `make buildworld'
#  3.  `make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is GENERIC).
#  4.  `make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE'   (default is GENERIC).
#   [steps 3.  4. can be combined by using the kernel target]
#  5.  `reboot'(in single user mode: boot -s from the loader prompt).
#  6.  `mergemaster -p'
#  7.  `make installworld'
#  8.  `make delete-old'
#  9.  `mergemaster' (you may wish to use -U or -ai).
# 10.  `reboot'
# 11.  `make delete-old-libs' (in case no 3rd party program uses them anymore)

This should then give you the 7.2 version of FreeBSD back - removing
everything that freebsd-update might have updated.



I am not sure if you can use freebsd-update for this task (but I
don't see why it should not be possible); in this case, refer to
man freebsd-update, especially the -r parameter (new release).



Maybe a third possibility is to install FreeBSD 7.2 from the
CD (I just assume you installed from CD or have the CD there),
without any formatting, just overwriting. But this may be
problematic - MAY, I'm not sure.



Sorry, I'm really lacking experience in downgrading a system, as
I have never done this, so I sadly can't be more specific. Maybe
somebody on-list can be more precise (that's why I took the freedom
to re-include the list, hope that's okay).



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Magdeburg, Germany
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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Andy Hiscock
Anyone want to log on to my server and investigate/correct?




From: Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 21:29:28
Subject: Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

Why during the upgrade process the inspecting system shouldnt be able to find 
and identify and prepair everything that needs to be upgraded and reconfigured 
accordingly.  Surely thats what Inspecting system is meant to be doing.  No 
matter if it is FreeBSD 1.0 or the prior version to the upgrade




From: Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com
To: David Allen the.real.david.al...@gmail.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 21:21:29
Subject: Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

Again Ports?   What is that about...  I've run the server and upgraded from 
7.0-7,2 with no problem or need to change any config files before.  Its 
upgraded with no problem before.

How do I install Ports?  How do I reinstall Samba without getting a error -1 
in sysinstall?




From: David Allen the.real.david.al...@gmail.com
To: Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 21:15:55
Subject: Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

On 6/3/10, Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com wrote:
 After being advised to upgrade after a freebsd-update I have successfully
 upgraded from 7.2 to 8.0-p3. OK but have come across a major problem for me.

 OK time for a BIG rant this has been going on for 2 days (very sorry)

 After the install of the new kernel Samba isn't working.   I TTL's onto the
 server and tried a testparm but the error messages suggest I have
 dependancies missing?! - surely this should be taken into account when
 upgrading versions - Major schoolboy error on FreeBSD when Linux can do this
 basic task seamlessly!

[snip rest of useless rant]

Never come across this myself til now, but it seems there's a problem
in ports that touches Samba.  Probably related to your Samba install
complaining. From a ports tree updated just a while ago:

bash3-3.2.51 Dependency: gettext-0.17_1
gettext-0.17_1 Information for gettext-0.17_1:
lynx-2.8.7.1_1,1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
mutt-devel-1.5.20_5 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
popt-1.14_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
samba34-3.4.5_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
wget-1.12_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1

I guess it's a choice between bash working, or everything else working.
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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Andy Hiscock
LOL - now stuck in and endless loop of:

 Message ─┐
  │Unable to get packages/INDEX file from selected media.   

This is like a poorly written shareware app!
  Really getting pissd here!




From: Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 21:43:41
Subject: Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

Anyone want to log on to my server and investigate/correct?




From: Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 21:29:28
Subject: Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

Why during the upgrade process the inspecting system shouldnt be able to find 
and identify and prepair everything that needs to be upgraded and reconfigured 
accordingly.  Surely thats what Inspecting system is meant to be doing.  No 
matter if it is FreeBSD 1.0 or the prior version to the upgrade




From: Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com
To: David Allen the.real.david.al...@gmail.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 21:21:29
Subject: Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

Again Ports?   What is that about...  I've run the server and upgraded from 
7.0-7,2 with no problem or need to change any config files before.  Its 
upgraded with no problem before.

How do I install Ports?  How do I reinstall Samba without getting a error -1 
in sysinstall?




From: David Allen the.real.david.al...@gmail.com
To: Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 21:15:55
Subject: Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

On 6/3/10, Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com wrote:
 After being advised to upgrade after a freebsd-update I have successfully
 upgraded from 7.2 to 8.0-p3. OK but have come across a major problem for me.

 OK time for a BIG rant this has been going on for 2 days (very sorry)

 After the install of the new kernel Samba isn't working.   I TTL's onto the
 server and tried a testparm but the error messages suggest I have
 dependancies missing?! - surely this should be taken into account when
 upgrading versions - Major schoolboy error on FreeBSD when Linux can do this
 basic task seamlessly!

[snip rest of useless rant]

Never come across this myself til now, but it seems there's a problem
in ports that touches Samba.  Probably related to your Samba install
complaining. From a ports tree updated just a while ago:

bash3-3.2.51 Dependency: gettext-0.17_1
gettext-0.17_1 Information for gettext-0.17_1:
lynx-2.8.7.1_1,1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
mutt-devel-1.5.20_5 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
popt-1.14_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
samba34-3.4.5_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
wget-1.12_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1

I guess it's a choice between bash working, or everything else working.
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Re: [#24536008] Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Andy Hiscock
Ah seems like FTP as well as Samba is blocked after the upgrade   

I have ran FreeBSD 7 to 7.2 using the freebsd upgrade process painless in the 
past, however.. 

Have followed the instructions for upgrade 7.2 to 8.0-P3 from the FreeBSD 
website.  As I am not a FreeBSD guru all I can say is the update process is NOT 
a smooth process as per EVERY OTHER O/S in the open source market.  I 
appreciate the support you have given but whatever you suggest just doesn't 
work.

I am very angered being lead in to believing freebsd-update will be the able to 
update your OS - this isn't the case.  Does FreeBSD want to be a fanatics 
only OS?  No other OS's seems to have no such problems updating.   I have even 
offered access to my server to sort out the problem but no one has offered.   I 
just get cut/copy emails in reply that doesn't work.  After 5 years of painless 
usage perhaps I ought to look at another better support OS?




From: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
To: Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com
Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 22:02:05
Subject: [#24536008] Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

Hello,

This is an automated response to inform you that your question has been entered 
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We will respond to you as soon as possible.

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Ticket number: 24536008
Ticket link: https://secure.mpcustomer.com/ticket.php?ticket=24536008
Ticket body: LOL - now stuck in and endless loop of:

Message ─┐
  │Unable to get packages/INDEX file from selected media.  

This is like a poorly written shareware app!
  Really getting pissd here!




From: Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 21:43:41
Subject: Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

Anyone want to log on to my server and investigate/correct?




From: Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 21:29:28
Subject: Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

Why during the upgrade process the inspecting system shouldnt be able to find 
and identify and prepair everything that needs to be upgraded and reconfigured 
accordingly.  Surely thats what Inspecting system is meant to be doing.  No 
matter if it is FreeBSD 1.0 or the prior version to the upgrade




From: Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com
To: David Allen the.real.david.al...@gmail.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 21:21:29
Subject: Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

Again Ports?   What is that about...  I've run the server and upgraded from 
7.0-7,2 with no problem or need to change any config files before.  Its 
upgraded with no problem before.

How do I install Ports?  How do I reinstall Samba without getting a error -1 
in sysinstall?




From: David Allen the.real.david.al...@gmail.com
To: Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thu, 3 June, 2010 21:15:55
Subject: Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

On 6/3/10, Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com wrote:
 After being advised to upgrade after a freebsd-update I have successfully
 upgraded from 7.2 to 8.0-p3. OK but have come across a major problem for me.

 OK time for a BIG rant this has been going on for 2 days (very sorry)

 After the install of the new kernel Samba isn't working.   I TTL's onto the
 server and tried a testparm but the error messages suggest I have
 dependancies missing?! - surely this should be taken into account when
 upgrading versions - Major schoolboy error on FreeBSD when Linux can do this
 basic task seamlessly!

[snip rest of useless rant]

Never come across this myself til now, but it seems there's a problem
in ports that touches Samba.  Probably related to your Samba install
complaining. From a ports tree updated just a while ago:

bash3-3.2.51 Dependency: gettext-0.17_1
gettext-0.17_1 Information for gettext-0.17_1:
lynx-2.8.7.1_1,1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
mutt-devel-1.5.20_5 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
popt-1.14_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
samba34-3.4.5_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1
wget-1.12_1 Dependency: gettext-0.18_1

I guess it's a choice between bash working, or everything else working.
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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:21:29 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 Again Ports?   What is that about...  I've run the server and
 upgraded from 7.0-7,2 with no problem or need to change any
 config files before.  Its upgraded with no problem before.

That's correct. Upgrading the base system usually doesn't require
you to upgrade your applications as well. The freebsd-update
binary updating program takes care of everything.



 How do I install Ports? 

The ports collection can be installed via sysinstall. Choose
configure - distributions - ports. The /usr/ports subtree will then
be installed.



 How do I reinstall Samba without getting a error -1 in sysinstall?

You can first use pkg_delete to delete it, e. g.

# pkg_delete -x samba

and then re-install it from packages, e. g.

# pkg_add -r samba

See man pkg_add and man pkg_delete to make sure you're understanding
that you're doing the right thing.

I'm not sure if you need to explicitely add a version number for
samba as I am not using it.




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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Manolis Kiagias
On 04/06/2010 12:01 π.μ., Andy Hiscock wrote:
 LOL - now stuck in and endless loop of:

  Message ─┐
   │Unable to get packages/INDEX file from selected media.   

 This is like a poorly written shareware app!
   Really getting pissd here!



   

My guess is you need to do some reading first, it seems you are
administering a system you don't quite understand.
When doing a minor version upgrade (i.e. from 7.0 to 7.2) there is no
need to touch anything in the extra programs you've installed (hint:
those that come from packages or ports). Minor versions are binary
compatible (few apps may need some attention but this is rare). When you
do a major upgrade, you will be able to execute your 7.x installed apps
on 8.x. But by the time you start installing programs to your new
version, you will start replacing libraries of the 7.x system with new
ones and the programs compiled for 7.x will stop functioning.  My guess
is you already installed some packages from the 8.0 media, so this has
happened already.

The recommended path for such an upgrade is to upgrade all your
installed ports for your new system. Most people use ports (meaning they
build the software on their own machine, it is quite straightforward and
mostly automated) but it seems you are using packages. It should still
be possible to do this.

Please read the following section in the FreeBSD Handbook:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html

esp. 24.2.3

When upgrading from packages, change the command:

portupgrade -af

to

portupgrade -af -PP

which effectively means: Use packages only

And yes, you will need a ports tree for portupgrade to work properly
(although you won't be compiling anything). You don't need to keep it
afterwords but it is handy to have and does not consume a lot of space.
So get one:

 portsnap fetch extract

And after finishing the upgrade, you can rm -rf /usr/ports if you don't
want to keep it.
You may wish to have a good read of the FreeBSD Handbook, esp. chapter 4
that deals with ports and packages.

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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:29:28 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 Why during the upgrade process the inspecting system shouldnt
 be able to find and identify and prepair everything that needs
 to be upgraded and reconfigured accordingly. 

Because this is the responsibility of the administrator - to decide
WHAT to upgrade, WHY and WHEN, and even HOW.

The base system tools (such as sysinstall, freebsd-upgrade) do not
have any clue about what's going on in /usr/local. This subtree is
reserved for installed applications (that do NOT belong to the
base system).

There are two files you should ALWAYS have a look at when performing
an update:

/usr/src/UPDATING
/usr/ports/UPDATING

They continue very important information for the person who does
the administration for a particular system, e. g. it tells you
that libxyz has gotten a major update and all applications linked
to this library need to be recompiled.



 Surely thats what Inspecting system is meant to be doing. 

I could come up with hundreds of other ideas what Inspecting system
could mean. :-)



 No matter if it is FreeBSD 1.0 or the prior version to the upgrade




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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:33:49 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 #  1.  `cd /usr/src'  (or to the directory containing your source tree).
 
 Doesn't exist

To install FreeBSD from source, you need to install the src
distribution, or get the desired sources via CVS (csup). There
are examples in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ for this paritular
task.


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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:38:22 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 ok so then running testparm i'm getting
 
 leopard# testparm
 /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object libcrypt.so.4 not found, required by 
 testparm
 leopard# 

Seems like something failed during the update. Program version and
major OS release don't match.

This is a reason to install the compat- ports. For example, if you
are on 7.2 and update to 8.0, your system will run, but most of
your applications wouldn't. Installing misc/compat7x from ports
(or via pkg_add -r compat7x as a package) will provide the
libraries for compatibility to 7 on a 8 system. It's a good
solution if you don't want to recompile / reinstall, but
personally, I consider it a short-time solution. Of course,
there can be settings where this is your only solution, e. g.
if you have a binary that's compiled for 7, and you can not
compile it for 8 (because there is no source code).



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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:01:25 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 LOL - now stuck in and endless loop of:
 
  Message ─┐
   │Unable to get packages/INDEX file from selected media.   

Do you obtain data via network (up  running checked?) or from CD?
If you know which package to install - if you know its NAME - why
bother with sysinstall? Simply use pkg_add -r name.



 This is like a poorly written shareware app!

No, I think it's acting completely as intended and predictable.
Maybe it's due to a partially failed upgrade process?



   Really getting pissd here!

You lack patience, maybe knowledge, at least experience. :-)
But that's no problem as long as you're willing to learn from
the given sources and hints.



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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:38:42 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 Ah seems like FTP as well as Samba is blocked after the upgrade   

This explains the error message presented. If you want to install
from FTP, but FTP can't reach anything, then... well... no INDEX
for you. :-)


 
 I have ran FreeBSD 7 to 7.2 using the freebsd upgrade process
 painless in the past, however.. 
 
 Have followed the instructions for upgrade 7.2 to 8.0-P3 from the
 FreeBSD website.  As I am not a FreeBSD guru all I can say is the
 update process is NOT a smooth process as per EVERY OTHER O/S in
 the open source market. 

I have different experiences, but that doesn't matter here. :-)



 I appreciate the support you have given but whatever you suggest
 just doesn't work.

Maybe because the conditions aren't meeting the requirements.



 I am very angered being lead in to believing freebsd-update will
 be the able to update your OS - this isn't the case. 

It IS the case. Keep in mind that FreeBSD differentiates between
the OS (which is updated by freebsd-update) and installed appli-
cations, or everything else, which is updated by the tools of
your choice (make update, portmaster, portmanager, portupgrade).

Check uname -r. Do you get a version number of the 8 branch?
If yes - update has been performed correctly.



 Does FreeBSD want to be a fanatics only OS? 

I'm not sure what it wants, but I may say that I'm not a fanatic,
but still using FreeBSD for many years nearly exclusively.



 No other OS's seems to have no such problems updating. 

I could show you some that have. :-)



 I have even offered access to my server to sort out the problem
 but no one has offered. 

Sorry, I don't think freebsd-questions@ is intended to fix your
problems for you, keeping you from learning important skills in
IT business.



 I just get cut/copy emails in reply that doesn't work. 

For my replies, I have no source where I do copy them from. I write
them by myself; copied things are obviously marked as copied (e. g.
some lines from /usr/src/Makefile).



 After 5 years of painless usage perhaps I ought to look at
 another better support OS?

Maybe you should. But 5 years or painless usage should convince you
that it may be worth to invest 5 hours to read, learn and repair.



If I would be impolite, I would ask you why you don't use your
backups to restore the has worked for 5 years state, but I know
how annoying a malfunctioning system can be.



Did you take the time to read man freebsd-update? I just did
it, and found this:

 rollback Uninstall the most recently installed updates.

(I copied this line from the manual page.)

Did you try

# freebsd-update rollback

For safety, this should be done in single-user mode. I'm not sure
if this really applies, but I'm a bit nervous anyway, so I do all
dangerous stuff in SUM, under least-dangerous circumstances. :-)


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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:02:44 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 leopard# pkg_delete -x samba
 pkg_delete: file '/usr/local/share/swat/js' doesn't exist
 pkg_delete: unable to completely remove directory '/usr/local/share/swat/js'
 pkg_delete: couldn't entirely delete package (perhaps the packing list is
 incorrectly specified?)
 WARNING: If you will *NOT* use this package anymore, please remove the
   following directories manually:
   /usr/local/etc/samba
   /var/log/samba
   /var/db/samba

That's okay.



 leopard# pkg_add -r samba
 Error: Unable to get 
 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.0-release/Latest/samba.tbz:
  File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)
 pkg_add: unable to fetch 
 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.0-release/Latest/samba.tbz'
  by URL

Ah, I guess you need to specify a version number. There are
different versions of Samba in the ports tree, so I think there
are also different packages, e. g. try

# pkg_add -r samba34

This should give you the latest version, 3.4. There's also 3, 
3.2 and 3.3 available (same naming scheme for the package).

Anyway, check if you can connect to (or just ping) ftp.freebsd.org
to make sure - REALLY SURE - that a connection is possible.



PS. Please try to avoid top-posting plus full quotes, or
quoted replies, it makes the list unreadable. Thanks!


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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:15:16 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 OK now I know...  Why should I have to know this in the fist place? 

Hey, that's no problem - I also learned about this some time
AFTER is has been common. :-)



 If Im just as User getting worrying messages about needing to
 upgrade. 

Where did those messages come from? FreeBSD 7.2 is still supported
and no problem to run. I even know a setting where somebody is
using a 4.0 server for internal backups.

You should consider thinking about updating more intensively. There
has just been a related discussion about this topic on this list.



 If I don't I am under the impression no security patches will be
 available? 

No. FreeBSD 7 (releases) still gets patches, allthough they are
called legacy. Depending on what you're doing with your server,
it may be wise to upgrade to 8 - or not - depends.



 The point I'm making to the end user, shouldn't a seamless
 update experience be achieved? :)

Usually, it does - honestly; freebsd-update and portupgrade -af,
and the show is running again. :-)




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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:20:50 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 well surely if the upgrade IS going to affect ANY pre installed
 package that should be taken into consideration? - Im not having
 a dig, Im just suggesting how FreeBSD has fallen behind in the
 User Experience

This depends on the users, not the OS. :-)

Honestly: How are system upgrading tools supposed to know what's
going on in the application area? There ARE tools to take care of
that - freebsd-update is not one of them. Of course it takes
knwoledge and experience to find out how to correctly perform an
update of the operating system AND the installed software, but
that's what you learn by using FreeBSD. I also did crash some
of my systems by skipping the step think, but it's a great
chance to learn, and if it's just how you dump  restore. :-)



 BTW I got an error after the last message:
 
 leopard# pkg_add -r samba
 Error: Unable to get 
 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.0-release/Latest/samba.tbz:
  File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)
 pkg_add: unable to fetch 
 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.0-release/Latest/samba.tbz'
  by URL
 leopard# 

Have you tried adding a version number, e. g. samba34?



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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:29:28 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 I have sort of giving up and the cant be arsed Ill put windows on
 factor has stepped in. 

Have you considered entering single user mode and trying to get back
to 7.2 (freebsd-update rollback)? In this case, you will need to
re-install samba (you've removed it); but as you are already in 8,
have you tried pkg_add -r samba43?


 I understand config files and DOS scripting but BSD is unsupported?

Well, FreeBSD isn't DOS, nor is it Windows. It's a complex operating
system (as all operating systems are a complex thing), and it needs
more than knowledge about config files and scripts to maintain it
properly and provide good administration. But finally, that's what
you learn by using it.



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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:32:56 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 I assume the only other solution is download all the CDs of the
 latest FreeBSD.  Do a clean install and replace the data? 

It's possible, but why reach for the big weapons in the first place?
Did you (1) check FTP is up  running, (2) run pkg_add -r samba34
or maybe (3) run freebsd-upüdate rollback in SUM?



 - This is not a clean upgrade admittedly!

I think the OS has been upgraded properly. What does uname -r say?


It would REALLY be helpful to see some output of the suggested
commands.



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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:47:57 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 I stopped reading after the line freebsd-update is not one of them. 

You're missing the best parts. :-)



 I know its not your fault.   But before progressing with technology
 perhaps support and support while upgrading is more important  - 
 especially when receiving alerts suggesting your version is no
 longer supported rather than failed installs being solved by people
 like yourself. 

FreeBSD has excellent support, in my opinion. The documentation
is far better than most things I've seen in other open source
projects. The mailing list is friendly and very helpful.

Where did you get alerts from that FreeBSD 7 isn't supported
anymore? Did you take the time to verify this? Allthough 7 is
a legacy release, it's still FULLY supported, and many users
are still using it.

You've received many suggestions from this mailing list, but I
fail to see that you're working with it. Without YOU, your
actions, your activity, the problem won't go away.

Of course, you can just copy your important data, then get
the install CD for FreeBSD 8 (or maybe install it via net,
which is very common), then install samba, and finally get
your data back onto the system. But from my diagnostics
(which are, in fact, mostly guessings, due to the lack of
information from you, your performed commands and the
respnses), I would not reach for such a big weapon at
this moment. It's far easier to upgrade your applications
(as your OS is already updated, just install the ports
subtree as suggested by Giorgos Keramidas - portsnap fetch
extract, then pkg_add -r portupgrade, and portupgrade
-af -PP). This should give you a working Samba (as well
as all other applications upgraded).

Always keep in mind: Upgrading a system is something that
you should do CAREFULLY. You can run into big trouble if
you do it wrong (as I know from my own experience). FreeBSD
is a system that does not tell you what you do and holds your
hand while it does what it thinks is the best for you; instead,
it does EXACTLY what you tell it to do. You can even take
that literally. :-)





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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:58:48 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 So am I lead to believe FreeBSD is mean to be a Mechanics
 Operating system?  I say that in the nicest way. 

I wouldn't go that far, but FreeBSD, as well as repairing a car,
requires certain knowledge and experience, I agree.



 We are not interested about the uneducated user.

But PC-BSD is interested in them. :-)

No, honestly, I don't want to insult PC-BSD. Maybe you should have
a look at it: It's a FreeBSD based operating system and application
bundle, just like a Linux distribution, and comes preconfigured
with KDE and many tools aiming at users who are not able or do not
want to know about their OS. It's an every day task system that
perfectly fits Joe Q. Sixpack users. And I really mean this as
a positive statement.

You should really take a look at their website to see if this is
what you want. By the way, PC-BSD is a good starting point for
better BSD education, but nothing is better than building your
own system from scratch. :-)



 or Leave the idiots to Windows/Mac or Linux point and click? 

Using a real operating system requires real knowledge. It is very
important to understand that computers aren't easy, in contra-
diction to what advertising wants people to believe.



 As updating my BSD version has been nothing but problems. 

Because you haven't fully performed it. To use a car analogy: You
put a new motor in the car, but you didn't connect it with all
the other parts inside the car, and you notice: Hey, I can't
drive this damn car! :-)



 The transition from BSD 7 to 8 is equivalent to a windows
 service pack or Mac OS release, both which happen seamlessly.

The transition from 7 to 8 involves more work than the transition
within 7. I think Giorgos Keramidas explained this better than I
did. Just imagine my fun when having to go from 5 to 7! I got
20 years older in one week. :-)




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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 23:18:48 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 right scrolling to to top...  Gonna go back to VHS here..  
 Do a clean install as far as i'm concerned freebsd-update only
 works for patches and not for OS upgrades from experiences or
 considering ubuntu who's updates works. 

The freebsd-update program REALLY WORKS for OS updates. It
works for patches (i. e. staying within a certain release)
and even across major releases (e. g. from 7.2 to 8.0). As
I mentioned before: There's MORE you have to take care of.
If your applications are made for a version 7 system, and
you suddenly have a version 8 system, problems may occur,
for example if a library is required that's not present
anymore.



 Have to say after 2 years of using BSD am seriously
 disappointed with FreeBSD, every other OS perform a
 clean upgrade except 

I'm sad to hear that, as it contradicts my own experiences,
and surely those of other FreeBSD users.

There are users who update their OS and applications once
a week, and others once a month; others perform the update
when a new patchlevel is offered, and others do stay with
the same system for years (install once, then use). How
you handle things absolutely depends on your goals and
requirements. As FreeBSD leaves you the freedom to decide
what to do, YOU have to decide. That's what system administration
basically is: Decisions lead by knowledge, experience and
facts.



 With not support to fix online.

As I said, the mailing list is not a free support center 
with support in terms of what you usually get when paying
for a maintenance contract.



But did YOU already try to fix it? You got so much suggestions
of what to do and how. I'm missing your cooperation. It won't
fix itself, sorry.




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Re: UPGRADE TO RELEASE 8.0-P3/SAMBA HELP REQUIRED

2010-06-03 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 23:19:28 + (GMT), Andy Hiscock andyjhisc...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 enough sarcasm 

No sarcasm in here, just honest and fact-based statements (except
those obviously signed by a smiley).



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samba help

2003-11-20 Thread Jason
Is there a command to list all windows shared resources.  I want to have 
a list of nodes to come up to make it easy to choose with to mount.
Thanks,
Jason

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