Re: sil3112 question

2006-07-12 Thread Alex Zbyslaw

Eugeny Kuzakov wrote:


On 7/11/06, Alex Zbyslaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Lowell Gilbert wrote:

Er, no, unless I am much mistaken  it doesn't imply that at all (see man
ataraid).  FreeBSD handles plenty of software (metadata only) RAIDs,
though I believe that an archive search will turn up that the sil3112 is
possibly the worst such RAID ever and was a poor choice of RAID card,
however cheap.  Try google.   SiL are listed among the controllers
supported by ataraid on 6.1 so I would expect the RAID to be recognised
even if it performed badly.




Of course you are right in all the points!:( I know it now, at the 
moment of

buy I didn't know
what chip is used  in the Tekram TR-822.. I was very surprised when I see
chip name...

I don'e think that is the solution worst, but problem is different 
metadata

formats in different BIOSes...
Initially I asked who uses sil3112 and hasn't pronlems:)

Today I will try to update flash bios to some older version, but it's
designed for linux...
I hope FreeBSD driver recongnise it's metadata format...

I've not used such a RAID so perhaps some specific action with


atacontrol is required.




I see at least two problems:
1. If I create raid1 or raid0 using atacontrol create bla-bla-bla then I
see new device -- ar0.
After paririoninglabeling I try to newfs it... FreeBSD hungs in same 
moment

without any warnings...
2. If I create raid1 or raid0 using bios utility of sil3112 then FreeBSD
driver doesn'y recognise this metadata.
It's just see disk drives and nothing more:(

You might have more luck with answers to your problems on the hardware 
list, and failing that you could ask sos@ regarding metadata problems.  
Changing the metadata format between BIOS updates seems pretty scummy 
and obviously if FreeBSD expects one format and you have some other 
format, it won't work :-(  However, I believe the sil3112 has problems 
beyond this and is just a bad controller.


Here's a reference from sos@ who wrote the driver and knows what he's 
talking about:  
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2005-January/045274.html


Good luck,

--Alex



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Re: sil3112 question

2006-07-12 Thread Andrew Pantyukhin

On 7/10/06, Eugeny Kuzakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I need mirror device, contained 2 partitions -- fat32ufs.

I want to use fat32 under freebsdwindows xp.


I would forget about sil3112 raid capabilities and use
software raid in both OS's. gmirror rocks and I hear that
winxp has a good implementation of raid, too.
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Re: sil3112 question

2006-07-12 Thread Eugeny Kuzakov

On 7/12/06, Andrew Pantyukhin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 7/10/06, Eugeny Kuzakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I need mirror device, contained 2 partitions -- fat32ufs.

 I want to use fat32 under freebsdwindows xp.

I would forget about sil3112 raid capabilities and use
software raid in both OS's. gmirror rocks and I hear that
winxp has a good implementation of raid, too.




I know about gmirror/vinum... I want use mirrored fat32 partition under
FreeBSDWindows XP.
Ifit  isn't possible, I theoretically can create two partitons. ntfs/fat32
-- for windows and ufs for fbsd and use them
separately, But gmirror require all the disk...If I will configure gmirror,
it not will be possible to create pratition  for windows xp

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Re: sil3112 question

2006-07-11 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Eugeny Kuzakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I have p4p800Se mb.

 I have bought a few days before Tekram TR-822. It's Sil3112 based software
 raid.

 I need mirror device, contained 2 partitions -- fat32ufs.

 I want to use fat32 under freebsdwindows xp.

 the problem is that under windows the controller works good,
 but FreeBSD doesn't see created mirror logical device.

 Has anyone working same configaration? What sil3112 bios version?

Doesn't software RAID imply Windows software? 
Running Windows software isn't one of FreeBSD's strong points...
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Re: sil3112 question

2006-07-11 Thread Alex Zbyslaw

Lowell Gilbert wrote:


Eugeny Kuzakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 


I have p4p800Se mb.

I have bought a few days before Tekram TR-822. It's Sil3112 based software
raid.

I need mirror device, contained 2 partitions -- fat32ufs.

I want to use fat32 under freebsdwindows xp.

the problem is that under windows the controller works good,
but FreeBSD doesn't see created mirror logical device.

Has anyone working same configaration? What sil3112 bios version?
   



Doesn't software RAID imply Windows software? 
Running Windows software isn't one of FreeBSD's strong points...


 

Er, no, unless I am much mistaken  it doesn't imply that at all (see man 
ataraid).  FreeBSD handles plenty of software (metadata only) RAIDs, 
though I believe that an archive search will turn up that the sil3112 is 
possibly the worst such RAID ever and was a poor choice of RAID card, 
however cheap.  Try google.   SiL are listed among the controllers 
supported by ataraid on 6.1 so I would expect the RAID to be recognised 
even if it performed badly.


I've not used such a RAID so perhaps some specific action with 
atacontrol is required.


--Alex


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Re: sil3112 question

2006-07-11 Thread Eugeny Kuzakov

On 7/11/06, Lowell Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Doesn't software RAID imply Windows software?




Not. Just see   http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html

How does work?

In adapter's bios you can setup in  raid configaration. Raid 1 or Raid0.
Adapter hasn't any processor. Jusy biossata conroller chips.
In result bios will write some meta data to the disks about raid
configuration.
when you OS boots, it's see the metadata and and OS driver begin work as
wrote in metadata using usual sata connamd directly to both disks.



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Re: sil3112 question

2006-07-11 Thread Eugeny Kuzakov

On 7/11/06, Alex Zbyslaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Lowell Gilbert wrote:

Er, no, unless I am much mistaken  it doesn't imply that at all (see man
ataraid).  FreeBSD handles plenty of software (metadata only) RAIDs,
though I believe that an archive search will turn up that the sil3112 is
possibly the worst such RAID ever and was a poor choice of RAID card,
however cheap.  Try google.   SiL are listed among the controllers
supported by ataraid on 6.1 so I would expect the RAID to be recognised
even if it performed badly.



Of course you are right in all the points!:( I know it now, at the moment of
buy I didn't know
what chip is used  in the Tekram TR-822.. I was very surprised when I see
chip name...

I don'e think that is the solution worst, but problem is different metadata
formats in different BIOSes...
Initially I asked who uses sil3112 and hasn't pronlems:)

Today I will try to update flash bios to some older version, but it's
designed for linux...
I hope FreeBSD driver recongnise it's metadata format...

I've not used such a RAID so perhaps some specific action with

atacontrol is required.



I see at least two problems:
1. If I create raid1 or raid0 using atacontrol create bla-bla-bla then I
see new device -- ar0.
After paririoninglabeling I try to newfs it... FreeBSD hungs in same moment
without any warnings...
2. If I create raid1 or raid0 using bios utility of sil3112 then FreeBSD
driver doesn'y recognise this metadata.
It's just see disk drives and nothing more:(


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sil3112 question

2006-07-10 Thread Eugeny Kuzakov

Hi there,

Hello, can anybody advice?

I have p4p800Se mb.

I have bought a few days before Tekram TR-822. It's Sil3112 based software
raid.

I need mirror device, contained 2 partitions -- fat32ufs.

I want to use fat32 under freebsdwindows xp.

the problem is that under windows the controller works good,
but FreeBSD doesn't see created mirror logical device.

Has anyone working same configaration? What sil3112 bios version?

thank you.

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