RE: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Erik Trulsson Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 6:52 AM To: fbsd2 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ORG Subject: Re: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list For this list (freebsd-questions@) in particular it is intentionally and explicitly the case that one does not need to be subscribed to post here. This is because it is the main support forum for FreeBSD, and much documentation exists directing people to ask their questions here. The list admins do have their priorities straight - they just have different priorities than you do. Probably the list admins figure that anyone who posts here is an advanced user type who understands how to setup spam filters that work. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
On 8/25/07, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably the list admins figure that anyone who posts here is an advanced user type who understands how to setup spam filters that work. Ted ___ Or doesn't; but wants to. I tell people that if they just want a Windows replacement, they should stick with Windows or use a Mac because they want better service from the computer without any growth in skills or responsibilities on their part. A core strength of the *nix operating systems and communities is the administrator/users' desire for control and acceptance of responsibilities that come with that control. System administration is not a spectator sport. Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
[EMAIL PROTECTED], the prominent pundit, on Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 23:19 while half mumbling, half-witicized: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:43:46 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list --On Thursday, August 23, 2007 20:06:47 +0100 dgmm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2007, Erik Trulsson wrote: For this list (freebsd-questions@) in particular it is intentionally and explicitly the case that one does not need to be subscribed to post here. This is because it is the main support forum for FreeBSD, and much documentation exists directing people to ask their questions here. This does, in fact, open up a distinct possibility for list subscribers who want to stop their address being harvested. Subscribe to the list with one email address such that one receives the list emails but post to the list with a different address. Basically, what you (and others as well) are suggesting is that the list maintainers do double the work so that you don't have to bother with spam filtering. Seems rather self-centered to me. This is the internet. Spam is endemic. Short of encasing your computer in concrete, there's no way to avoid getting spam **even if you never post to a mailing list**. Either learn to deal with it or stop subscribing to lists. -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ I've had four email addresses. [EMAIL PROTECTED] from about 1984 to late 1980s. We then set up a group of Unix users - with 3 major nodes [including mine] feeding Orlando, and then it was [EMAIL PROTECTED] For awhile it was [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then I finally snagged a 3 letter domain, so I'm [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see about 5-10 [maxium] emails that are spam in my normal mailbox. I use spamassassin, and I drop a lot into a a mailbox called 'almost-certainly-spam'. I just checked and as of this moment Fri Aug 24 06:23:47 EDT 2007, I have 381 messages there dated August 23 and August 24. I don't know when the last time an important message got into that file. If you don't like spam, put in a decent spam filter, as someone somewhere is going to get your address, whether it is from this list or somewhere else. And this thread on spam is quite useless IMO on this list - unless you need hints/help on how to filter spam. [Do a search on Google and you'll see posts from me to Usenet dating back to the mid-1980s.] Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
On Friday 24 August 2007, Paul Schmehl wrote: On Thursday, August 23, 2007 22:37:53 +0100 dgmm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Basically, what you (and others as well) are suggesting is that the list maintainers do double the work so that you don't have to bother with spam filtering. How does this equate to double the work for the list maintainers? I've never operated a mailing list so I don't understand what work is involved in operating one or how that workload might be increased if some people post with one name while having the automated system mail out to a different, subscribed address Most modern mailing list software tests addresses periodically, automatically to make sure they are accepting mail. Some have suggested solving the spam problem by using throwaway addresses to send email to the list **even if the address doesn't work**. Now the maintainers have to maintain a separate list of exemptions and configure separate options so that those throwaway addresses aren't dropped from the list automatically after the requisite number of bounces. And endure the endless bounce notifications from hundreds of thoughtless people. You're looking at it the from the wrong perspective. From what you say above, so long as the posting address is valid and accepts mail either correctly or dumps it to /dev/nul then if I choose use two separate email addresses the only people affected are those who try to reply directly to said posting address, ie, on the whole, spammers. Seems rather self-centered to me. In what way? You have a problem. You want someone else to help you solve it by creating more work for them so that you'll have less work to do. No, actually I don't have a problem. I was making a suggestion which might be useful to the original poster. Even it it was my problem, I don't see how doing as I've outlined above would create more work for anyone. This is the internet. Spam is endemic. So rather than look for multiple methods to reduce the amount of incoming to *my* address I should just accept it all and filter it locally? Absolutely. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world to solve your problem. splendid isolation. I wonder where FreeBSD would be today if all the developers and users took that attitude. That seems rather irresponsible to me, ANy method which can help stop it source appeaers on the face of it to be a better solution. Of course it does, because it requires no work on your part. It's always better if you can get someone else to expend energy on your behalf while you sit back and reap the benefits. That's why unthinking people love socialism. Or maybe it how unthinking people think socialism works. What you just described is exactly how capitalism works. Short of encasing your computer in concrete, there's no way to avoid getting spam **even if you never post to a mailing list**. Either learn to deal with it or stop subscribing to lists. I'm sure that attitude will appear welcoming to new users. Gee, I'm sorry I hurt someone's feelings by suggesting they take responsibility for their own problems. Let me get down on my knees and beg forgiveness. Not at all. Your perspective is interesting. As is that of others who have posted to this thread. I subscribe to more than 50 lists. You have no idea what a pleasure it is to read, over and over again, about other people's problems with spam. It's useless chatter that solves nothing and makes the list less valuable. (And yes, you do enough of it, and I'll /dev/null your address and never hear from you again.) If people took a few minutes to figure out how to rid themselves of the spam, they'd accomplish more than all the endless discussions about how to solve an unsolveable problem. I think we'll just have to agree to differ on this. it's way OT for here now so I won't be making any more posts on this subject. -- Dave ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
Basically, what you (and others as well) are suggesting is that the list maintainers do double the work so that you don't have to bother with spam filtering. Actually, the list maintainer has already done something to prevent spam harvesting -- something I didn't see mentioned in this 'thread' (and if it was mentioned, I appologize.) When you subscribe to (some) mailing lists, there is an option Conceal yourself from subscriber list? Not as powerful as filters, I agree, but it is a small thing that helps to combat spam. Also, earlier in this thread, someone mentioned about using a gmail account for mailing lists. I think it's a great idea, because that is the approach I've taken. The only problem I face with GMail, is some messages sent to mailing lists get marked as spam -- rarely. Within the past 3 months, I've received 1 actual spam message. And that is without any extra filters, other than sorting mail by label. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
On Fri, Aug 24, 2007 at 01:17:48PM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:19:06 -0700
Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Gary et al,
rather than filtering on one by one basis, why not just setup your mail server
to do the whole job for you, using spamassassin (or your other anti-spam
software), with dynamic filters ( like razor and DCC (i think it's called) ).
I
have (cheking...) about 7 *active* email address in my mail client, subscribed
to many mailing lists (12 of those @freebsd.org). Some of those email
addresses
are used in contact details of many domain registrations.
I'm going to try spamd (if pf and ipf don't conflict). It may
take awhile to get thru alll thewriteups and howto's, but it'l be
interesting to see the results.
All of them behind similarly configured servers. I have all the spam tagged
and moved to Trash on sight. Out of all the email I receive (which usually is
several hundred / day), I may have to manually delete 10 spam , uncaught
emails
(all up). I haven't so far found out about a false positive in several years
of using this setup.
I may be lucky enough that I have a couple of
Mbps of bandwidth @ home to handle my email load, but none of the tools I use
are commercial, and they are VERY well documented.
When I'm finished with my thesis (! on computers:-), maybe you
can share your docs on my bsd web site. It has zero ads and is
still a work-in-progress. But maybe we can all cut/paste from
existing (and free, if copyright) articles on slowing down this
slimy ooze of spam.
BTW, that ratio is far smaller than the amount of tree-based spam I get on my
home mailbox each day.
I also have a catch-all email address to see what comes my way - i see higher
number of uncaught spam there (which then goes to feed my Bayes filters), so i
doubt that blaming @freebsd.org servers has anything to do with receiving more
spam.
In summary, the trick as always is to properly use the tools at hand.
exactly, and there are just enough of us commmitted (hard-core)
to the Open Source model to have the tools. or create them.
cheers,
gary
regards,
B
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I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet.
Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been
Warned.
--
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Re: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
...I will feed... The solution to this problem is...if you don't like what you are into, get yourself out of the situation. Anyone who finds the information on this list non-informative enough to complain about a few spam per week that make it through a spam filter, then it isn't worth your time and you are on the wrong list. I belong to ~40 mailing lists. They all see spam. The info I gain from the lists is far more important. Well more than half of the lists display the full address in the header. It's by design, and it has always worked. I would not have it changed. Most MLM's have an option to obscure/hide your address, as someone has already stated. Seriously, the standard 'user' coming from Windows to FreeBSD should never be expected to immediately be pushed into doing something for themselves. However, someone who decides to operate on a Road Runner cable connection and relay their mail through a: mail-03.name-services.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service, Version: 6.0.3790.3959 ...server, should immediately contact the person responsible for email management and complain... Moreover, those who use an address like: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...as a technical and admin contact in the global WHOIS database for their domain should reconsider complaining about anything. Wow, I'd trust the fact that my abuse email would make it to a responsible person. We are all feeding the troll. The troll has not stated his name in any of his emails. Is that you: # whois a1poweruser.com | grep [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whoever this is, has not replied in a while, at least under the original email address. Can we leave well enough alone and get on with technical stuff? *sigh* Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
It only takes 2-3 weeks after changing my email address I use on the list before I start receiving spam on the new email address. Other non-fbsd lists I belong to remove the posters email address before the post gets sent to the list members. Why can't this list do the same thing so the posters email address don't show up in the archives on the news group servers where spammers harvest the posters email address for targeting spam to? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 09:11:21AM -0400, fbsd2 wrote: It only takes 2-3 weeks after changing my email address I use on the list before I start receiving spam on the new email address. Other non-fbsd lists I belong to remove the posters email address before the post gets sent to the list members. Why can't this list do the same thing so the posters email address don't show up in the archives on the news group servers where spammers harvest the posters email address for targeting spam to? Because then you would not be able to send your reply to the person asking a question. Keep in mind that many people who post here are *not* subscribed to the list and therefore will not be able to read answers that only go to the list. Therefore their e-mail addresses need to be visible to everybody. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 09:11:21AM -0400, fbsd2 wrote: It only takes 2-3 weeks after changing my email address I use on the list before I start receiving spam on the new email address. Other non-fbsd lists I belong to remove the posters email address before the post gets sent to the list members. Why can't this list do the same thing so the posters email address don't show up in the archives on the news group servers where spammers harvest the posters email address for targeting spam to? Because then you would not be able to send your reply to the person asking a question. Keep in mind that many people who post here are *not* subscribed to the list and therefore will not be able to read answers that only go to the list. Therefore their e-mail addresses need to be visible to everybody. -Original Message- From: Erik Trulsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:20 AM To: fbsd2 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ORG Subject: Re: spammers harvesting email address from this list Them how about changing usage rules that only subscribed users can post and receive mail on this list. That works for many other lists and stops the spam problem cold. Really something has to be done to stop spam from this list. Forcing people to subscribe to this list is not a show stopper and is fast becoming the standard way other lists control spam email harvesting. Why should the subscribed members have to deal with spam just for the connivance of people who are too lazy to subscribe? This list admin needs to get their priorities straight. Subscribed members protection comes before the lazy public. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:19:57 +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 09:11:21AM -0400, fbsd2 wrote: It only takes 2-3 weeks after changing my email address I use on the list before I start receiving spam on the new email address. Other non-fbsd lists I belong to remove the posters email address before the post gets sent to the list members. Why can't this list do the same thing so the posters email address don't show up in the archives on the news group servers where spammers harvest the posters email address for targeting spam to? Because then you would not be able to send your reply to the person asking a question. Keep in mind that many people who post here are *not* subscribed to the list and therefore will not be able to read answers that only go to the list. Therefore their e-mail addresses need to be visible to everybody. Exactly. I subscribe to a _lot_ of mailing lists that allow posting (like this one), and I can't recall any of them removing sender addresses. I do expect that kind of behaviour on web forums, and that's one of the reasons I prefer mailing lists. cheers, joel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 09:39:43AM -0400, fbsd2 wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 09:11:21AM -0400, fbsd2 wrote: It only takes 2-3 weeks after changing my email address I use on the list before I start receiving spam on the new email address. Other non-fbsd lists I belong to remove the posters email address before the post gets sent to the list members. Why can't this list do the same thing so the posters email address don't show up in the archives on the news group servers where spammers harvest the posters email address for targeting spam to? Because then you would not be able to send your reply to the person asking a question. Keep in mind that many people who post here are *not* subscribed to the list and therefore will not be able to read answers that only go to the list. Therefore their e-mail addresses need to be visible to everybody. -Original Message- From: Erik Trulsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:20 AM To: fbsd2 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ORG Subject: Re: spammers harvesting email address from this list Them how about changing usage rules that only subscribed users can post and receive mail on this list. That works for many other lists and stops the spam problem cold. Really something has to be done to stop spam from this list. Forcing people to subscribe to this list is not a show stopper and is fast becoming the standard way other lists control spam email harvesting. Why should the subscribed members have to deal with spam just for the connivance of people who are too lazy to subscribe? This list admin needs to get their priorities straight. Subscribed members protection comes before the lazy public. For this list (freebsd-questions@) in particular it is intentionally and explicitly the case that one does not need to be subscribed to post here. This is because it is the main support forum for FreeBSD, and much documentation exists directing people to ask their questions here. The list admins do have their priorities straight - they just have different priorities than you do. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
It only takes 2-3 weeks after changing my email address I use on the list before I start receiving spam on the new email address. Other non-fbsd lists I belong to remove the posters email address before the post gets sent to the list members. Why can't this list do the same thing so the posters email address don't show up in the archives on the news group servers where spammers harvest the posters email address for targeting spam to? how about installing a proper spam-filter? you could add a chapter to your handbook too. myself is reading these kind of lists through gmail, and i hardly see any spam coming by. regards, usleep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:11 AMAug 23, 2007, fbsd2 wrote: It only takes 2-3 weeks after changing my email address I use on the list before I start receiving spam on the new email address. Other non-fbsd lists I belong to remove the posters email address before the post gets sent to the list members. Why can't this list do the same thing so the posters email address don't show up in the archives on the news group servers where spammers harvest the posters email address for targeting spam to? I've been a list a participant for many years, and I've not had a huge problem with spam that hasn't been able to be dealt with through the use of tools like SpamAssassin and my mail client's built-in anti- spam filters. Unfortunately, there really isn't any way to make 100% certain that your email address won't end up on a spammer's list, unless you never use the address. If you're not going to use it, however, what's the point. You've got the right idea by using a different account for list messages and such. Just do your best to use the tools at your disposal. - Eric F Crist Secure Computing Networks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
On August 23, 2007 at 10:31AM Jonathan Shoemaker wrote: fbsd2 Why should the subscribed members have to deal with spam fbsd2 just for the connivance of people who are too lazy to fbsd2 subscribe? fbsd2 This list admin needs to get their priorities straight. fbsd2 Subscribed members protection comes before the lazy public. A lot of people who migrate to freebsd have never been confronted with anything more complex than windows, so it makes sense to make getting help as easy as possible. The experience of converting to a *nix system is a daunting one for a first-timer; it takes a whole new shift in thinking, and people adapt at different rates. Bear in mind, though, that these people may one day end up being the ones to contribute new improvements, ports, assistance, and so forth. Doesn't it make sense for a free, community supported operating system to provide that support in the easiest manner possible? I employed Windows for years before ever venturing to try FBSD. Doing that time I subscribed to numerous mailing list. I fail to see any correlation between migrating from a Windows based OS to a FBSD one has to do with subscribing to a list. Anyone, with the possible exception of an AOL'er and an occasional Googler could accomplish that feat. Compromising the fundamental security and privacy of the end user is more important than servicing those who lack the ability and or ambition to subscribe to a mail forum like this. -- Gerard ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
fbsd2 wrote: It only takes 2-3 weeks after changing my email address I use on the list before I start receiving spam on the new email address. Other non-fbsd lists I belong to remove the posters email address before the post gets sent to the list members. Why can't this list do the same thing so the posters email address don't show up in the archives on the news group servers where spammers harvest the posters email address for targeting spam to? Every message that comes through the list has the 'List-id: freebsd-questions.freebsd.org' header. If spam is a concern, you could always set up a dedicated list email address and have your MUA delete anything to that address not containing that header. This would prevent people from replying to you directly, but they wouldn't anyways if your email address wasn't listed in the first place. Personally, the most infuriating spam I get is the 'Message delivery failure' messages received en masse from poorly configured mail servers when some spammer decides to use my address as the return-path. -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Furry Peace! - http://.fur.com/peace/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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fbsd2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It only takes 2-3 weeks after changing my email address I use on the list before I start receiving spam on the new email address. Spammers have their robots harvest addresses from a number of sources, including but not limited to web pages of all kinds and any and all files accessible from malware infected hosts. Other non-fbsd lists I belong to remove the posters email address before the post gets sent to the list members. Why can't this list do the same thing Seriously, I can see some logic in removing or obfuscating email addresses in web accessible list archives, but making it hard to impossible for other list subscribers to followup to poster would make the freebsd mailing lists a lot less useful. Making spammers fun to watch: Publish your list of known bad spamtrap addresses, watch them use their harvested garbage to trigger their own descent into the spamd tarpit. Details via selected posts in my blog (the blogspot.com ref in the signature). Cheers, -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: Seriously, I can see some logic in removing or obfuscating email addresses in web accessible list archives, but making it hard to impossible for other list subscribers to followup to poster would make the freebsd mailing lists a lot less useful. Maybe so. But we could be allowed to register two addresses - one that we use for sending and another one for reception of list mail. And if someone prefers to use a bogus sending address, that should not matter as long as the other address is real. I should like to see a system of this sort (or similar) on all the FreeBSD mailing lists. -- Tore ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
Written by Gerard on 08/23/07 10:10 On August 23, 2007 at 10:31AM Jonathan Shoemaker wrote: fbsd2 Why should the subscribed members have to deal with spam fbsd2 just for the connivance of people who are too lazy to fbsd2 subscribe? fbsd2 This list admin needs to get their priorities straight. fbsd2 Subscribed members protection comes before the lazy public. A lot of people who migrate to freebsd have never been confronted with anything more complex than windows, so it makes sense to make getting help as easy as possible. The experience of converting to a *nix system is a daunting one for a first-timer; it takes a whole new shift in thinking, and people adapt at different rates. Bear in mind, though, that these people may one day end up being the ones to contribute new improvements, ports, assistance, and so forth. Doesn't it make sense for a free, community supported operating system to provide that support in the easiest manner possible? I employed Windows for years before ever venturing to try FBSD. Doing that time I subscribed to numerous mailing list. I fail to see any correlation between migrating from a Windows based OS to a FBSD one has to do with subscribing to a list. Anyone, with the possible exception of an AOL'er and an occasional Googler could accomplish that feat. Compromising the fundamental security and privacy of the end user is more important than servicing those who lack the ability and or ambition to subscribe to a mail forum like this. First, your anonymity and privacy is not under the care of the FreeBSD foundation, nor any other public mailing list that you volunteer your information to. Second, email is not the back door to your world. An email address is a point of contact for some entity on the internet, that's all. If you don't want it known, don't submit it a public record. Your privacy and security are your own responsibility. Third, this is not a forum. It is a mailing list. Mailing lists disseminate messages to a list of subscribers. That's all they do. If you want to talk on a forum, where your inbox is not involved, I suggest you look in to www.bsdforums.org. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
On Thursday 23 August 2007, Erik Trulsson wrote: For this list (freebsd-questions@) in particular it is intentionally and explicitly the case that one does not need to be subscribed to post here. This is because it is the main support forum for FreeBSD, and much documentation exists directing people to ask their questions here. This does, in fact, open up a distinct possibility for list subscribers who want to stop their address being harvested. Subscribe to the list with one email address such that one receives the list emails but post to the list with a different address. -- Dave ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--On Thursday, August 23, 2007 20:06:47 +0100 dgmm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2007, Erik Trulsson wrote: For this list (freebsd-questions@) in particular it is intentionally and explicitly the case that one does not need to be subscribed to post here. This is because it is the main support forum for FreeBSD, and much documentation exists directing people to ask their questions here. This does, in fact, open up a distinct possibility for list subscribers who want to stop their address being harvested. Subscribe to the list with one email address such that one receives the list emails but post to the list with a different address. Basically, what you (and others as well) are suggesting is that the list maintainers do double the work so that you don't have to bother with spam filtering. Seems rather self-centered to me. This is the internet. Spam is endemic. Short of encasing your computer in concrete, there's no way to avoid getting spam **even if you never post to a mailing list**. Either learn to deal with it or stop subscribing to lists. -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
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On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 06:57:02PM +0200, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: fbsd2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It only takes 2-3 weeks after changing my email address I use on the list before I start receiving spam on the new email address. Spammers have their robots harvest addresses from a number of sources, including but not limited to web pages of all kinds and any and all files accessible from malware infected hosts. Other non-fbsd lists I belong to remove the posters email address before the post gets sent to the list members. Why can't this list do the same thing Seriously, I can see some logic in removing or obfuscating email addresses in web accessible list archives, but making it hard to impossible for other list subscribers to followup to poster would make the freebsd mailing lists a lot less useful. Making spammers fun to watch: Publish your list of known bad spamtrap addresses, watch them use their harvested garbage to trigger their own descent into the spamd tarpit. Details via selected posts in my blog (the blogspot.com ref in the signature). If your user login is smith, you could have all mailing list mail sent to smitty and keep an open mutt or other reader a click away. Spam could be easily flagged ... . I'm bcc'ing this to my account with evolution to check out your blog info. I've run into problems with spamd and other suites. gary Cheers, -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 23/08/07, Paul Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On Thursday, August 23, 2007 20:06:47 +0100 dgmm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2007, Erik Trulsson wrote: For this list (freebsd-questions@) in particular it is intentionally and explicitly the case that one does not need to be subscribed to post here. This is because it is the main support forum for FreeBSD, and much documentation exists directing people to ask their questions here. This does, in fact, open up a distinct possibility for list subscribers who want to stop their address being harvested. Subscribe to the list with one email address such that one receives the list emails but post to the list with a different address. Basically, what you (and others as well) are suggesting is that the list maintainers do double the work so that you don't have to bother with spam filtering. Seems rather self-centered to me. This is the internet. Spam is endemic. Short of encasing your computer in concrete, there's no way to avoid getting spam **even if you never post to a mailing list**. Either learn to deal with it or stop subscribing to lists. Just to toss in a couple of coppers: It is quite sad to see the general openness and respect of the internet bludgeoned into submission to some need for relief from these hideous human beings. Of course, it is the same reason you have to have unlisted phone numbers, do-not-call lists, bomb searches: humans. On the other side, the days of responsilbe admins and ISPs literally pulling the plug on irresponsible users seems long past as well. I suppose I am arguing for these lists continuing the way they are, and just dealing with the fact that spam outruns legitimate mails 3:1. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Schmehl wrote: This is the internet. Spam is endemic. Short of encasing your computer in concrete, there's no way to avoid getting spam **even if you never post to a mailing list**. Either learn to deal with it or stop Bullshit. I've kept addresses spam-free for years. I usually use disposable ones for online purchasing, mailing lists, etc. What really SUCKS is the time I had to pretty much abandon a good address because I hit sent too [EMAIL PROTECTED] soon sending something here -- the ONLY publicly archived list I'm on that DOESN'T obfuscate the sender's address AND allows anyone out there to post! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Aug 23, 2007, at 3:20 PMAug 23, 2007, Rob wrote: Paul Schmehl wrote: This is the internet. Spam is endemic. Short of encasing your computer in concrete, there's no way to avoid getting spam **even if you never post to a mailing list**. Either learn to deal with it or stop Bullshit. I've kept addresses spam-free for years. I usually use disposable ones for online purchasing, mailing lists, etc. What really SUCKS is the time I had to pretty much abandon a good address because I hit sent too [EMAIL PROTECTED] soon sending something here -- the ONLY publicly archived list I'm on that DOESN'T obfuscate the sender's address AND allows anyone out there to post! You could choose to troll the list and not participate. The list has been set up this way for quite a long while, and I doubt there is going to be any changes made any time soon. - Eric F Crist Secure Computing Networks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If your user login is smith, you could have all mailing list mail sent to smitty and keep an open mutt or other reader a click away. Spam could be easily flagged ... . Yes, there are several things you could filter on. However the traplist activities are really about identifying spam sending hosts. If a machine we have not exchanged mail with in recent times tries to deliver mail to something bizarre like [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which looks like it was actually based on a GNUS message-ID), the message is either spam or in some very rare cases a bounce message triggered by an attempt to deliver spam. I'm bcc'ing this to my account with evolution to check out your blog info. I've run into problems with spamd and other suites. I would be interested in hearing what the problems were. It's worth noting that spamd from OpenBSD 4.1 onwards differs in several important ways from earlier versions. And also, it's important not to confuse this spamd with the program with the same name out of spamassassin. Cheers, -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 23 August 2007, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Thursday, August 23, 2007 20:06:47 +0100 dgmm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2007, Erik Trulsson wrote: For this list (freebsd-questions@) in particular it is intentionally and explicitly the case that one does not need to be subscribed to post here. This is because it is the main support forum for FreeBSD, and much documentation exists directing people to ask their questions here. This does, in fact, open up a distinct possibility for list subscribers who want to stop their address being harvested. Subscribe to the list with one email address such that one receives the list emails but post to the list with a different address. Basically, what you (and others as well) are suggesting is that the list maintainers do double the work so that you don't have to bother with spam filtering. How does this equate to double the work for the list maintainers? I've never operated a mailing list so I don't understand what work is involved in operating one or how that workload might be increased if some people post with one name while having the automated system mail out to a different, subscribed address Seems rather self-centered to me. In what way? This is the internet. Spam is endemic. So rather than look for multiple methods to reduce the amount of incoming to *my* address I should just accept it all and filter it locally? That seems rather irresponsible to me, ANy method which can help stop it source appeaers on the face of it to be a better solution. Short of encasing your computer in concrete, there's no way to avoid getting spam **even if you never post to a mailing list**. Either learn to deal with it or stop subscribing to lists. I'm sure that attitude will appear welcoming to new users. -- Dave ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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fbsd2 wrote: It only takes 2-3 weeks after changing my email address I use on the list before I start receiving spam on the new email address. I have been on this list for years, I have my mail address published on my web site and many other places. I hardly get any spam at all, I don't use any spam filter like spamassasin on the server, only regex on header and blocking a few ip's - simple stuff. I have had one spam mail today. I did briefly have a .com domain, and despite no external links and that I never used the address on public lists, it got almost instantly spammed. My conclusion is that you are more likely to be a target with a .com domain. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 23 August 2007 21:37:53 dgmm wrote: So rather than look for multiple methods to reduce the amount of incoming to *my* address I should just accept it all and filter it locally? That seems rather irresponsible to me, ANy method which can help stop it source appeaers on the face of it to be a better solution. I suggest you use a different email address for your mailing list subscriptions. You can filter so that any mail that does not come from a known list server is sent to /dev/null. Of course it will mean that any replies sent to you off-list would be lost but it would for the most part fix the spam problem. Don't let the spammers frustrate you :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--On Thursday, August 23, 2007 22:37:53 +0100 dgmm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Basically, what you (and others as well) are suggesting is that the list maintainers do double the work so that you don't have to bother with spam filtering. How does this equate to double the work for the list maintainers? I've never operated a mailing list so I don't understand what work is involved in operating one or how that workload might be increased if some people post with one name while having the automated system mail out to a different, subscribed address Most modern mailing list software tests addresses periodically, automatically to make sure they are accepting mail. Some have suggested solving the spam problem by using throwaway addresses to send email to the list **even if the address doesn't work**. Now the maintainers have to maintain a separate list of exemptions and configure separate options so that those throwaway addresses aren't dropped from the list automatically after the requisite number of bounces. And endure the endless bounce notifications from hundreds of thoughtless people. Seems rather self-centered to me. In what way? You have a problem. You want someone else to help you solve it by creating more work for them so that you'll have less work to do. This is the internet. Spam is endemic. So rather than look for multiple methods to reduce the amount of incoming to *my* address I should just accept it all and filter it locally? Absolutely. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world to solve your problem. That seems rather irresponsible to me, ANy method which can help stop it source appeaers on the face of it to be a better solution. Of course it does, because it requires no work on your part. It's always better if you can get someone else to expend energy on your behalf while you sit back and reap the benefits. That's why unthinking people love socialism. Short of encasing your computer in concrete, there's no way to avoid getting spam **even if you never post to a mailing list**. Either learn to deal with it or stop subscribing to lists. I'm sure that attitude will appear welcoming to new users. Gee, I'm sorry I hurt someone's feelings by suggesting they take responsibility for their own problems. Let me get down on my knees and beg forgiveness. I subscribe to more than 50 lists. You have no idea what a pleasure it is to read, over and over again, about other people's problems with spam. It's useless chatter that solves nothing and makes the list less valuable. (And yes, you do enough of it, and I'll /dev/null your address and never hear from you again.) If people took a few minutes to figure out how to rid themselves of the spam, they'd accomplish more than all the endless discussions about how to solve an unsolveable problem. -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
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On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 11:10:38PM +0200, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If your user login is smith, you could have all mailing list mail sent to smitty and keep an open mutt or other reader a click away. Spam could be easily flagged ... . Yes, there are several things you could filter on. However the traplist activities are really about identifying spam sending hosts. If a machine we have not exchanged mail with in recent times tries to deliver mail to something bizarre like [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which looks like it was actually based on a GNUS message-ID), the message is either spam or in some very rare cases a bounce message triggered by an attempt to deliver spam. I run my sendmail out to a number of filter sites, and have the greylist filtering. /etc/mail/access catches at least several thousand spam messages a day; a tail -f maillog tells me that much. I just snagged your list of IP's and catted|awk'd the bunch into my access list. TY, TY. STILL--and this really makes me angrier than it should--still, I get dozens of spams/day. Would it be possible to filter on both the ^Subject: A friend has sent you a Greeting card! as well as the body? HTML or plaintext? As soon as I see one (usually different) spam I know there well be several other similar or identical messages. How difficult would it be to flag spam on you sent greeting card, for example? Plus the hundreds of variations on Are you enough of a man? and the ones for some kind of pills? Or home loans at 5.1%!!! (*mumble*) I'm bcc'ing this to my account with evolution to check out your blog info. I've run into problems with spamd and other suites. I would be interested in hearing what the problems were. It's worth noting that spamd from OpenBSD 4.1 onwards differs in several important ways from earlier versions. And also, it's important not to confuse this spamd with the program with the same name out of spamassassin. It's been years since I looked at spamassassin. 5. Maybe three since I last got into a Snit, :), over this and checked out spamd? It just seemed like at least days of studying, followed by more days of integration. Is there any spamd documentation that follows a cookbook model? Do A, B, C, and you're done! I've found that a couple examples are worth ten thousand words. thanks again, gary Cheers, -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds. -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't want to hijack this, erm, thread, but I get loads of spam (my mail goes through a hosting provider, I (post-)filter locally) and a significant part of it is loaded with technical terms, even FreeBSD specific. I suppose it's meant to confuse filters. Do other folks get this too? Dan On Friday 24 August 2007 01:00:20 Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Thursday, August 23, 2007 22:37:53 +0100 dgmm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Basically, what you (and others as well) are suggesting is that the list maintainers do double the work so that you don't have to bother with spam filtering. How does this equate to double the work for the list maintainers? I've never operated a mailing list so I don't understand what work is involved in operating one or how that workload might be increased if some people post with one name while having the automated system mail out to a different, subscribed address Most modern mailing list software tests addresses periodically, automatically to make sure they are accepting mail. Some have suggested solving the spam problem by using throwaway addresses to send email to the list **even if the address doesn't work**. Now the maintainers have to maintain a separate list of exemptions and configure separate options so that those throwaway addresses aren't dropped from the list automatically after the requisite number of bounces. And endure the endless bounce notifications from hundreds of thoughtless people. Seems rather self-centered to me. In what way? You have a problem. You want someone else to help you solve it by creating more work for them so that you'll have less work to do. This is the internet. Spam is endemic. So rather than look for multiple methods to reduce the amount of incoming to *my* address I should just accept it all and filter it locally? Absolutely. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world to solve your problem. That seems rather irresponsible to me, ANy method which can help stop it source appeaers on the face of it to be a better solution. Of course it does, because it requires no work on your part. It's always better if you can get someone else to expend energy on your behalf while you sit back and reap the benefits. That's why unthinking people love socialism. Short of encasing your computer in concrete, there's no way to avoid getting spam **even if you never post to a mailing list**. Either learn to deal with it or stop subscribing to lists. I'm sure that attitude will appear welcoming to new users. Gee, I'm sorry I hurt someone's feelings by suggesting they take responsibility for their own problems. Let me get down on my knees and beg forgiveness. I subscribe to more than 50 lists. You have no idea what a pleasure it is to read, over and over again, about other people's problems with spam. It's useless chatter that solves nothing and makes the list less valuable. (And yes, you do enough of it, and I'll /dev/null your address and never hear from you again.) If people took a few minutes to figure out how to rid themselves of the spam, they'd accomplish more than all the endless discussions about how to solve an unsolveable problem. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 04:19:06PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 11:10:38PM +0200, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: However the traplist activities are really about identifying spam sending hosts. If a machine we have not exchanged mail with in recent times tries to deliver mail to something bizarre like [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which looks like it was actually based on a GNUS message-ID), the message is either spam or in some very rare cases a bounce message triggered by an attempt to deliver spam. One comment that's almost too obvious is that the spam masters keep coming up with new twists; on idea that may not be pragmatic is to stay a few steps *ahead* of their gimmicks gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 24 August 2007 00:22:12 Danny Pansters wrote: I don't want to hijack this, erm, thread, but I get loads of spam (my mail goes through a hosting provider, I (post-)filter locally) and a significant part of it is loaded with technical terms, even FreeBSD specific. I suppose it's meant to confuse filters. Do other folks get this too? I get a lot of that. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Aug 23, 2007, at 7:45 PMAug 23, 2007, Pollywog wrote: On Friday 24 August 2007 00:22:12 Danny Pansters wrote: I don't want to hijack this, erm, thread, but I get loads of spam (my mail goes through a hosting provider, I (post-)filter locally) and a significant part of it is loaded with technical terms, even FreeBSD specific. I suppose it's meant to confuse filters. Do other folks get this too? I get a lot of that. Ditto. I get more PDF files lately and a T-O-N of the ASCII blue- pill ads... If only my old dot-matrix was looking for a good time... - Eric F Crist Secure Computing Networks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:00:20 -0500 Paul Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course it does, because it requires no work on your part. It's always better if you can get someone else to expend energy on your behalf while you sit back and reap the benefits. That's why unthinking people love socialism. Uhuhuh, you confused pure laziness with socialism (philosophical surely, historic implementations partially). Open source is very much like philosophical socialism as described by XIX- and XX-century philosophers: if you don't like the way things are done (e.g. how the road in front of your house looks like), please _do_ help: take a shovel, hammer, and _do_ (really, physically do) something. Similarly, please sit at your keyboard and do real programming. But _don't_ do two things: (1) don't pay, because someone will repair the road for you (the same as with microsoft) = you will _do_ nothing, the road won't be your work, but the work of others; (2) don't be lazy, i.e. don't wait for others to work for you as it won't happen. * Socialism (and open source and open source support groups, etc) = = insisting on both (1) and (2); * paying (as in (1)) is generally not acceptable in socialism; * paying (as in (1)) is acceptable in non-socialism (and closed source); * laziness (as in (2)) is not acceptable in both socialism and non-socialism, but * socialism sees paying (as in (1)) as a form of laziness. Important philosophical notions should be used carefully, especially if you want to degrade something. Anyway this is off-topic here. Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I get more PDF files lately and a T-O-N of the ASCII blue- pill ads... - Eric F Crist Secure Computing Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eric Crist Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:19 PM To: Pollywog Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spammers harvesting email address from this list How are those ASCII blue-pill ads email getting into the email server at my ISP with those invalid headers? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 at 02:22 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] confabulated: I don't want to hijack this, erm, thread, but I get loads of spam (my mail goes through a hosting provider, I (post-)filter locally) and a significant part of it is loaded with technical terms, even FreeBSD specific. I suppose it's meant to confuse filters. Do other folks get this too? I see on average, five(5) spam messages on the freebsd-questions list every other week. --- _|_ (_| | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 at 20:19 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] confabulated: On Aug 23, 2007, at 7:45 PMAug 23, 2007, Pollywog wrote: On Friday 24 August 2007 00:22:12 Danny Pansters wrote: I don't want to hijack this, erm, thread, but I get loads of spam (my mail goes through a hosting provider, I (post-)filter locally) and a significant part of it is loaded with technical terms, even FreeBSD specific. I suppose it's meant to confuse filters. Do other folks get this too? I get a lot of that. Ditto. I get more PDF files lately and a T-O-N of the ASCII blue-pill ads... If only my old dot-matrix was looking for a good time... I hardly *EVER* see any PDF spam. Also, I can't remember the last time I saw one of those blue-pill spams. --- _|_ (_| | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:19:06 -0700
Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would it
be possible to filter on both the ^Subject: A friend has sent you
a Greeting card! as well as the body? HTML or plaintext? As
soon as I see one (usually different) spam I know there well be
several other similar or identical messages. How difficult would
it be to flag spam on you sent greeting card, for example?
Plus the hundreds of variations on Are you enough of a man?
and the ones for some kind of pills? Or home loans at 5.1%!!!
(*mumble*)
Hi Gary et al,
rather than filtering on one by one basis, why not just setup your mail server
to do the whole job for you, using spamassassin (or your other anti-spam
software), with dynamic filters ( like razor and DCC (i think it's called) ). I
have (cheking...) about 7 *active* email address in my mail client, subscribed
to many mailing lists (12 of those @freebsd.org). Some of those email addresses
are used in contact details of many domain registrations.
All of them behind similarly configured servers. I have all the spam tagged
and moved to Trash on sight. Out of all the email I receive (which usually is
several hundred / day), I may have to manually delete 10 spam , uncaught emails
(all up). I haven't so far found out about a false positive in several years
of using this setup.
I may be lucky enough that I have a couple of
Mbps of bandwidth @ home to handle my email load, but none of the tools I use
are commercial, and they are VERY well documented.
BTW, that ratio is far smaller than the amount of tree-based spam I get on my
home mailbox each day.
I also have a catch-all email address to see what comes my way - i see higher
number of uncaught spam there (which then goes to feed my Bayes filters), so i
doubt that blaming @freebsd.org servers has anything to do with receiving more
spam.
In summary, the trick as always is to properly use the tools at hand.
regards,
B
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:17:54 +0200
Nikola Lecic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Important philosophical notions should be used carefully, especially
if you want to degrade something. Anyway this is off-topic here.
maybe off-topic, but I also ... wondered, and possibly took some exception to
that section of Paul's email. Still, I think Nikola's points re. OSS approach
to things DOES apply here, in light of the useless complaints about spam.
B
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Re: spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there any spamd documentation that follows a cookbook model? Do A, B, C, and you're done! I've found that a couple examples are worth ten thousand words. Well, there's the spamd parts of my PF tutorial[1], and I believe Dan Langille wrote up something for the FreeBSD diary earlier this year - yes, its at [2]. One thing about the blacklisted IP addresses file I generate every hour - spam sending machines don't necessarily stay that way for very long (they get reinstalled, dumped in the river etc) so it's really only useful if your own blacklist gets updated and pruned regularly too. - P [1] http://home.nuug.no/~peter/pf/ (several formats), spamd parts start at http://home.nuug.no/~peter/pf/en/spamd.html [2] http://www.freebsddiary.org/pf.php -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
