Re: watchdog question.

2006-08-02 Thread Bill Moran
In response to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> > On Tuesday 01 August 2006 20:39, Efren Bravo wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I've a freeBSD box and I've been seeing this
> >> message for several months: sis0 watchdog
> >> timeout.
> >>
> >> The box has two ethernet cards, sis0 (100mb) and
> >> vr0 (10mb).
> >>
> >> The messages isn't frequent but yesterday it got
> >> my attention. What does this mean?
> >
> > from  sis(4)
> >  sis%d: watchdog timeout  The device has stopped responding to the
> > net-
> >  work, or there is a problem with the network connection (e.g. a cable
> >  fault).
> 
> The motherboard is http://www.eprom.com/home/Microstar/ms7005.htm
> 
> The PC has been up for 119 days and nobody have reported me a network
> interruption.
> 
> I've just changed the cable, so I'll wait to see if the system raises more
> watchdog messages. In the console I see only two messages: april 20 | july
> 4.

It won't help.  I wouldn't waste your time if I were you.  I've dealt with
these MSI boards in the past, and they're cheap luhsuh.

Again, my understanding is that the ethernet card is crap, and occasionally
just wedges of its own accord.  After a few milliseconds, the watchdog goes
off and triggers a hardware reset.  A few packets get dropped and need
resent, but TCP is a "reliable" protocol so nobody notices.

Want to see just how bad the card is?  Do some performance tests and see how
close to the theoretical network maximum you can get on data transfers.  If
I remember correctly, we only got about 50% of was the card _should_ have
been able to accomplish.

The difference between the drivers provided by SIS and those built in to
FreeBSD is that the SiS drivers for Windows will never tell you what's going
on, whereas the FreeBSD drivers will log every time a hardware reset is
required.

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Re: watchdog question.

2006-08-02 Thread efrenba
> On Tuesday 01 August 2006 20:39, Efren Bravo wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've a freeBSD box and I've been seeing this
>> message for several months: sis0 watchdog
>> timeout.
>>
>> The box has two ethernet cards, sis0 (100mb) and
>> vr0 (10mb).
>>
>> The messages isn't frequent but yesterday it got
>> my attention. What does this mean?
>
> from  sis(4)
>  sis%d: watchdog timeout  The device has stopped responding to the
> net-
>  work, or there is a problem with the network connection (e.g. a cable
>  fault).

The motherboard is http://www.eprom.com/home/Microstar/ms7005.htm

The PC has been up for 119 days and nobody have reported me a network
interruption.

I've just changed the cable, so I'll wait to see if the system raises more
watchdog messages. In the console I see only two messages: april 20 | july
4.

Thanks to all for your time


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Re: watchdog question.

2006-08-02 Thread Alex Zbyslaw

Bill Moran wrote:


RW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


On Tuesday 01 August 2006 20:39, Efren Bravo wrote:
   


Hi,

I've a freeBSD box and I've been seeing this
message for several months: sis0 watchdog
timeout.

The box has two ethernet cards, sis0 (100mb) and
vr0 (10mb).

The messages isn't frequent but yesterday it got
my attention. What does this mean?
 


from  sis(4)
sis%d: watchdog timeout  The device has stopped responding to the net-
work, or there is a problem with the network connection (e.g. a cable
fault).
   



I've seen this frequently with sis cards.  My opinion is that all sis
cards are cheapo crap, and watchdog timer is a workaround to try to make
them work in spite of being crap.  I've seen sis cards in Windows machines
and they perform lousy there as well.
 

I always got these errors on sis cards too - always ignored then.  
Worked fine for me on a lightly loaded network.


If you start getting real symptoms - card locking up for example - then 
you;ll have to get a better network card.  But unless and until that 
happens I would ignore it.


--Alex


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Re: watchdog question.

2006-08-01 Thread Bill Moran
RW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 01 August 2006 20:39, Efren Bravo wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've a freeBSD box and I've been seeing this
> > message for several months: sis0 watchdog
> > timeout.
> >
> > The box has two ethernet cards, sis0 (100mb) and
> > vr0 (10mb).
> >
> > The messages isn't frequent but yesterday it got
> > my attention. What does this mean?
> 
> from  sis(4)
>  sis%d: watchdog timeout  The device has stopped responding to the net-
>  work, or there is a problem with the network connection (e.g. a cable
>  fault).

I've seen this frequently with sis cards.  My opinion is that all sis
cards are cheapo crap, and watchdog timer is a workaround to try to make
them work in spite of being crap.  I've seen sis cards in Windows machines
and they perform lousy there as well.

But I'm no expert ... I could be wrong.

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Re: watchdog question.

2006-08-01 Thread RW
On Tuesday 01 August 2006 20:39, Efren Bravo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've a freeBSD box and I've been seeing this
> message for several months: sis0 watchdog
> timeout.
>
> The box has two ethernet cards, sis0 (100mb) and
> vr0 (10mb).
>
> The messages isn't frequent but yesterday it got
> my attention. What does this mean?

from  sis(4)
 sis%d: watchdog timeout  The device has stopped responding to the net-
 work, or there is a problem with the network connection (e.g. a cable
 fault).


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Re: watchdog question.

2006-08-01 Thread Girish Venkatachalam


--- Efren Bravo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've a freeBSD box and I've been seeing this
> message for several months: sis0 watchdog
> timeout.   
>   
> The box has two ethernet cards, sis0 (100mb) and
> vr0 (10mb).  
>   
> The messages isn't frequent but yesterday it got
> my attention. What does this mean?
I am afraid you aren't gonna like this. AFAIK watchdog
is some kind of a heartbeat monitoring done at the
hardware level just to make sure that ur hardware is
fine. So the watchdog has a timer that will expire in
case the hardware does not send this heartbeat every
few seconds or so.

So it is not good news if your ethernet cards report
that since it normally means the hardware is
defective; however since everything else works for you
it may be time to change your card yet. 

I hope I am wrong. Can someone correct me? 

Best,
Girish
> 
> Thanks...
> 
> Efren Bravo.
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watchdog question.

2006-08-01 Thread Efren Bravo
Hi,

I've a freeBSD box and I've been seeing this
message for several months: sis0 watchdog
timeout.   
  
The box has two ethernet cards, sis0 (100mb) and
vr0 (10mb).  
  
The messages isn't frequent but yesterday it got
my attention. What does this mean?

Thanks...

Efren Bravo.
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