Re: xdm freezes - 7.2-RELEASE installed

2009-05-05 Thread Andrew Gould
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Polytropon  wrote:

> On Tue, 5 May 2009 18:45:02 -0500, Andrew Gould 
> wrote:
> > It's good, general advice.  There are UPDATING files in various places
> for
> > various updates, I think, including /usr/src/.
>
> At least according to the history of problems with X that
> appeared on this list, /usr/ports/UPDATING hasn't received
> the attention it should. Things like the "empty inputs" and
> the crazy DBUS & HAL stuff has been mentioned there.
>
> I didn't update my X yet, so I will have all this trouble
> in the future. :-)
>
>
>
> > It's almost as good as.(wait for it).." and always back up your
> > data."
>
> Customer: "I've just done a new Word document, saved it, then
>accidentally deleted it. Is there anything you can do
>to get it back?"
> Tech Support: "Sorry, no, the backup isn't run until night time."
> Customer: "Ohh, can we restore it tomorrow, then?"
>

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry over this one.  ;-)


>
> :-)
>
>
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> Polytropon
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> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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Re: xdm freezes - 7.2-RELEASE installed

2009-05-05 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 5 May 2009 18:45:02 -0500, Andrew Gould  
wrote:
> It's good, general advice.  There are UPDATING files in various places for
> various updates, I think, including /usr/src/.

At least according to the history of problems with X that
appeared on this list, /usr/ports/UPDATING hasn't received
the attention it should. Things like the "empty inputs" and
the crazy DBUS & HAL stuff has been mentioned there.

I didn't update my X yet, so I will have all this trouble
in the future. :-)



> It's almost as good as.(wait for it).." and always back up your
> data."

Customer: "I've just done a new Word document, saved it, then
accidentally deleted it. Is there anything you can do
to get it back?"
Tech Support: "Sorry, no, the backup isn't run until night time."
Customer: "Ohh, can we restore it tomorrow, then?"

:-)


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Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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Re: xdm freezes - 7.2-RELEASE installed

2009-05-05 Thread Daniel Underwood

Absolutely!

(Sent from my iPhone)

On May 5, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Andrew Gould   
wrote:


On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Daniel Underwood  
 wrote:

I thought /usr/ports/UPDATING is only created when you appraise your
ports with a view toward updating. I.e, after a fresh install of 7.2
(not an upgrade from 7.1), I didn't think the UPDATING file would be
very helpful.

It's good, general advice.  There are UPDATING files in various  
places for various updates, I think, including /usr/src/.


It's almost as good as.(wait for it).." and always back up  
your data."


(That one never gets old!)

:-)

Andrew

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Re: xdm freezes - 7.2-RELEASE installed

2009-05-05 Thread Andrew Gould
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Daniel Underwood wrote:

> I thought /usr/ports/UPDATING is only created when you appraise your
> ports with a view toward updating. I.e, after a fresh install of 7.2
> (not an upgrade from 7.1), I didn't think the UPDATING file would be
> very helpful.
>

It's good, general advice.  There are UPDATING files in various places for
various updates, I think, including /usr/src/.

It's almost as good as.(wait for it).." and always back up your
data."

(That one never gets old!)

:-)

Andrew
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Re: xdm freezes - 7.2-RELEASE installed

2009-05-05 Thread Daniel Underwood
I thought /usr/ports/UPDATING is only created when you appraise your
ports with a view toward updating. I.e, after a fresh install of 7.2
(not an upgrade from 7.1), I didn't think the UPDATING file would be
very helpful.
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Re: xdm freezes - 7.2-RELEASE installed

2009-05-05 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 06 May 2009 00:01:47 +0300, Manolis Kiagias  wrote:
> Taking this opportunity, allow me to remind to everyone that the
> Handbook is always "work in progress" and it is always useful to check
> again sections that you have already read, as new info is added
> regularly. This latest addition to the Handbook was in fact inspired by
> questions and info appearing on this same list :)

A very polite addition of mine:

It's always wise to study /usr/ports/UPDATING, a file that
explains the reasons when your system suddenly went nuts. :-)


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Re: xdm freezes - 7.2-RELEASE installed

2009-05-05 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Andrew Gould wrote:
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Daniel Underwood wrote:
>
>   
>> Yep, that was it!  I should have read the Handbook more thoroughly:
>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html#AEN6615
>>
>> 
>
>
> me too  ;-)
>   

Taking this opportunity, allow me to remind to everyone that the
Handbook is always "work in progress" and it is always useful to check
again sections that you have already read, as new info is added
regularly. This latest addition to the Handbook was in fact inspired by
questions and info appearing on this same list :)
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Re: xdm freezes - 7.2-RELEASE installed

2009-05-05 Thread Andrew Gould
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Daniel Underwood wrote:

> Yep, that was it!  I should have read the Handbook more thoroughly:
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html#AEN6615
>


me too  ;-)
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Re: xdm freezes - 7.2-RELEASE installed

2009-05-05 Thread Daniel Underwood
Yep, that was it!  I should have read the Handbook more thoroughly:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html#AEN6615
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Re: xdm freezes - 7.2-RELEASE installed

2009-05-05 Thread Andrew Gould
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Daniel Underwood wrote:

> Just installed 7.2-RELEASE.  After changing my /etc/ttys to default to
> xdm and rebooting, my machine opens xdm, but I cannot type or press
> enter.  My keyboard isn't totally unresponsive, however, because I can
> Ctrl+Alt+F# to another virtual terminal.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Daniel
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Could you use your mouse in xdm?

I don't know if this is related; but I couldn't get my mouse to work in KDE
or XFCE4 until I turned on hal.  I added the following to /etc/rc.conf and
rebooted:

dbus_enable="YES"
hald_enable="YES"

Best of luck,

Andrew
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Re: xdm freezes - 7.2-RELEASE installed

2009-05-05 Thread Daniel Underwood
I don't have an xorg.conf file.  When I installed 7.1-RELEASE on this
laptop (exact same machine) I didn't  need to configure an xorg.conf
file.  But I'll certainly try your advice.

Thanks!
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Re: xdm freezes - 7.2-RELEASE installed

2009-05-05 Thread Frederique Rijsdijk


Hi,

Daniel Underwood wrote:


Just installed 7.2-RELEASE.  After changing my /etc/ttys to default to
xdm and rebooting, my machine opens xdm, but I cannot type or press
enter.  My keyboard isn't totally unresponsive, however, because I can
Ctrl+Alt+F# to another virtual terminal.


Try adding:

Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off"

.. to the "ServerLayout" section of your xorg.conf, see if that helps.

See man xorg.conf too.



-- Frederique

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xdm freezes - 7.2-RELEASE installed

2009-05-05 Thread Daniel Underwood
Just installed 7.2-RELEASE.  After changing my /etc/ttys to default to
xdm and rebooting, my machine opens xdm, but I cannot type or press
enter.  My keyboard isn't totally unresponsive, however, because I can
Ctrl+Alt+F# to another virtual terminal.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Daniel
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