Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006

2006-01-05 Thread Jo Rhett
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 01:13:20PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 01:10:19PM -0800, Jo Rhett wrote: I and many others have offered to work on this. The core team has repeatedly stated that they won't integrate the efforts Please provide hard evidence for this

Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006

2006-01-05 Thread Jo Rhett
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 03:38:20PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: I agree with Brooks. I don't recall ever seeing a message from -core (or anyone else talking on behalf of the Project) stating that code to make binary updates possible would not be integrated. For that matter, I don't recall ever

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006)

2006-01-05 Thread Jo Rhett
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 09:08:13PM -0600, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: Having done full OS upgrades a number of times, I can't remember the last time it took more than 5 or 10 minutes (during most of which the When the servers are in 17 countries around the world, with no CD-ROM access. You keep

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006)

2006-01-05 Thread Jo Rhett
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 01:09:04PM -0800 I heard the voice of Jo Rhett, and lo! it spake thus: No, you're missing the point. More core OS upgrades means less incremental patches (which are easier to apply than a full update). On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 09:08:13PM -0600, Matthew D. Fuller

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006)

2006-01-05 Thread Jo Rhett
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 11:36:11AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: On each 'client' PC.. NFS mount /usr/src and /usr/obj installkernel reboot installworld Works fine on home computers behind firewalls. Useless on public servers that don't run RPC. Useless on flash-based servers where

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006 )

2006-01-05 Thread Jo Rhett
Patrick M. Hausen, and lo! it spake thus: Any suggestions for an alternative to NFS if your 'client' servers are located all over the world and you want to installworld across the Internet? I was planning to use NFS/TCP secured by IPSec transport mode, but anything less complicated would

Re: FreeBSD Update is the binary update solution [Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006]

2006-01-05 Thread Jo Rhett
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:47, Jo Rhett wrote: But FreeBSD Update suffers from all of the same limitations that I've been describing because of lack of integration with the Core OS. 1. modified kernels are foobar ..yet are practically mandatory on production systems 2. modified

Re: FreeBSD Update is the binary update solution [Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006]

2006-01-05 Thread Jo Rhett
On Thu, 2005-Dec-22 13:17:30 -0800, Jo Rhett wrote: But FreeBSD Update suffers from all of the same limitations that I've been describing because of lack of integration with the Core OS. 1. modified kernels are foobar ..yet are practically mandatory on production systems 2. modified

Re: FreeBSD Update is the binary update solution [Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006]

2006-01-05 Thread Patrick M. Hausen
Hello! 1. modified kernels are foobar ..yet are practically mandatory on production systems Look around. Every major commercial OS does it just fine. While I agree with much of your reasoning, I know exactly zero people running a modified kernel of any version of Windows, Mac OS X or

Re: FreeBSD Update is the binary update solution [Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006]

2006-01-05 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:02, Jo Rhett wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 11:26:44AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: How do you expect these two to be handled in a binary upgrade? I can't see how it's possible.. Look around. Every major commercial OS does it just fine. Most of the open source OSes

Re: rpcbind lingering on IP no longer specified on command line

2006-01-05 Thread Gavin Atkinson
On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 15:44 -0500, Vivek Khera wrote: On Jan 4, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Doug Barton wrote: What does 'sockstat | grep rpcbind' tell you? # sockstat | grep rpcbind root rpcbind11382 5 stream /var/run/rpcbind.sock root rpcbind11382 6 dgram - /var/run/logpriv

Re: FreeBSD Update is the binary update solution [Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006]

2006-01-05 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Thu, 2006-Jan-05 01:37:27 -0800, Jo Rhett wrote: No. I want a binary update mechanism. Obviously if we have local configuration options we'll have to compile our own binaries. But doing the work of tracking system updates currently requires us to build our own patch tracking mechanism, and

Postfix and faststart

2006-01-05 Thread Carlos Fernando Assis Paniago
Hi: after the last cvsup, my FreeBSD 6.0, i386 is not capable to start postfix. I'm using the link in the /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postfix.sh to start the postfix program. Looking in the code, I saw that we need to change this in a file in /usr/local/etc/postfix/postfix-script to have the faststart

keyboard failing on Dell laptop with 6.0-Stable this week.

2006-01-05 Thread Paul T. Root
I have an old Dell Inspiron 5000 (800MHz, 512M RAM), that I've been running 6.0 since it was released. It was running great with -Stable cvsupped around Dec 18th or so. Tuesday, I saw that a problem with NFS locking was fixed, and I was having an nfs/amd problem on a desktop Vectra, so I

Re: rpcbind lingering on IP no longer specified on command line

2006-01-05 Thread Vivek Khera
On Jan 5, 2006, at 6:06 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote: Can anyone explain why rpcbind will still bind to all tcp interfaces? Although I believe this is a bug, it is actually working as documented: from rpcbind(8): -h bindip Specify specific IP addresses to bind to for UDP

Re: Recurring problem: processes block accessing UFS file system

2006-01-05 Thread Denis Shaposhnikov
Hi! Greg == Greg Rivers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greg It's taken more than a month, but the problem has recurred Greg without snapshots ever having been run. I've got a good trace I think that I have the same problem on a fresh CURRENT. For some processes I see MWCHAN = ufs and D in the

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006)

2006-01-05 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Jo Rhett wrote this message on Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 01:24 -0800: You are putting words in the mouth of core@ - Sorry. As said before, the topic is always struck down and nobody from core has ever stood up to say we'll support this. I don't know whose on core this week, nor will I at any

Re: Recurring problem: processes block accessing UFS file system

2006-01-05 Thread Don Lewis
On 5 Jan, Denis Shaposhnikov wrote: Hi! Greg == Greg Rivers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greg It's taken more than a month, but the problem has recurred Greg without snapshots ever having been run. I've got a good trace I think that I have the same problem on a fresh CURRENT. For some

WITNESS speedup patch for RELENG_5

2006-01-05 Thread Don Lewis
If you are running RELENG_5 and using WITNESS, you might want to try the patch below. It speeds up WITNESS rather dramatically. This patch was committed to HEAD in late August (subr_witness.c 1.198) and early September (subr_witness.c 1.200). It was MFC'ed to RELENG_6 in the last few days. I'd

Re: Recurring problem: processes block accessing UFS file system

2006-01-05 Thread Denis Shaposhnikov
Don == Don Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don pid 519 wants to lock this vnode but some other thread is Don holding the vnode lock. Unfortunately we don't know who the Don lock holder is because the message is truncated. Is it possible to find out the answer from the crashdump? Don This

Re: Recurring problem: processes block accessing UFS file system

2006-01-05 Thread Don Lewis
On 5 Jan, Denis Shaposhnikov wrote: Don == Don Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don pid 519 wants to lock this vnode but some other thread is Don holding the vnode lock. Unfortunately we don't know who the Don lock holder is because the message is truncated. Is it possible to find out

Re: Recurring problem: processes block accessing UFS file system

2006-01-05 Thread Denis Shaposhnikov
Don == Don Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don Are you using any unusual file systems, such as nullfs or Don unionfs? Yes, I'm use a lots of nullfs. This is a host system for about 20 jails with nullfs mounted ro system: /dev/mirror/gm0s1a on / (ufs, local, read-only) devfs on /dev (devfs,

SCSI RAID card recommendation (1/2 height PCI-X U320 SCSI dual channel)

2006-01-05 Thread Vivek Khera
Boy... what a major disappointment I just had... I got in my SunFire X4100 dual opteron server and a LSI MegaRAID 320-2X PCI-X card. Unfortunately, the Sun seems to only accept 1/2 height cards. Totally lame. Anyhow, I'm having a hard time finding 1/2 height U320 RAID cards with dual

gdm problem with kernel as of 2005-01-04

2006-01-05 Thread Richard Kuhns
I just finished a buildworld/buildkernel/mergemaster on my Dell Inspiron 9300. Upon rebooting, I noticed that gdm seemed to start earlier in the boot process than it used to. When the login screen appeared, the mouse seemed to work fine, but nothing I typed appeared. Attempting to use C-A-F1

Re: Recurring problem: processes block accessing UFS file system

2006-01-05 Thread Don Lewis
On 5 Jan, Denis Shaposhnikov wrote: Don == Don Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don Are you using any unusual file systems, such as nullfs or Don unionfs? Yes, I'm use a lots of nullfs. This is a host system for about 20 jails with nullfs mounted ro system: That would be my guess as to

Re: SCSI RAID card recommendation (1/2 height PCI-X U320 SCSI dual channel)

2006-01-05 Thread Vivek Khera
On Jan 5, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Vivek Khera wrote: Anyhow, I'm having a hard time finding 1/2 height U320 RAID cards with dual channels (I can't imagine how the connectors would fit, but hey I can hope). Does anyone have any recommendations? Naturally I'm going to run 6.0-RELEASE on it.

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006)

2006-01-05 Thread Mark Linimon
Jo Rhett wrote this message on Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 01:24 -0800: Sorry. As said before, the topic is always struck down and nobody from core has ever stood up to say we'll support this. I don't know whose on core this week, nor will I at any given time. This information is publicly

Re: 6.0 on Dell 1850 with PERC4e/DC RAID?

2006-01-05 Thread Doug White
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Scott Mitchell wrote: Hi all, I may be getting a new Dell PE1850 soon, to replace our ancient CVS server (still running 4-STABLE). The new machine will ideally run 6.0 and have a PERC4e/DC RAID card - the one with battery-backed cache. This is listed as supported by

Re: 6.0 on Dell 1850 with PERC4e/DC RAID?

2006-01-05 Thread Scott Mitchell
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 03:34:24PM -0800, Doug White wrote: On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Scott Mitchell wrote: Hi all, I may be getting a new Dell PE1850 soon, to replace our ancient CVS server (still running 4-STABLE). The new machine will ideally run 6.0 and have a PERC4e/DC RAID card - the

Re: 6.0 on Dell 1850 with PERC4e/DC RAID?

2006-01-05 Thread David Sze
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 03:34:24PM -0800, Doug White wrote: On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Scott Mitchell wrote: Hi all, I may be getting a new Dell PE1850 soon, to replace our ancient CVS server (still running 4-STABLE). The new machine will ideally run 6.0 and have a PERC4e/DC RAID card - the

Re: 6.0 on Dell 1850 with PERC4e/DC RAID?

2006-01-05 Thread Scott Mitchell
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 06:09:09PM -0600, David Sze wrote: On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 03:34:24PM -0800, Doug White wrote: On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Scott Mitchell wrote: supported by amr(4), but I'm wondering how well it actually works in the case of a disk failure. Will the driver tell me that

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006 )

2006-01-05 Thread Daniel O'Connor
[cross post to -current removed] On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:54, Jo Rhett wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 11:36:11AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: On each 'client' PC.. NFS mount /usr/src and /usr/obj installkernel reboot installworld Works fine on home computers behind firewalls. Useless

Re: 6.0 on Dell 1850 with PERC4e/DC RAID?

2006-01-05 Thread Michael Vince
Scott Mitchell wrote: Hi all, I may be getting a new Dell PE1850 soon, to replace our ancient CVS server (still running 4-STABLE). The new machine will ideally run 6.0 and have a PERC4e/DC RAID card - the one with battery-backed cache. This is listed as supported by amr(4), but I'm wondering

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006)

2006-01-05 Thread Joseph Koshy
ml (And, as well, that you do not even understand the role the core plays ml in the project. Hint: it is not primarily technical in nature.) For those curious to know how the project works, the following online resources may help: A project model for the FreeBSD Project

Re: SCSI RAID card recommendation (1/2 height PCI-X U320 SCSI dual channel)

2006-01-05 Thread Chuck Swiger
Vivek Khera wrote: [ ... ] The only other aac controller I have is a Dell PERC type which is god- awful slow, but I hear that's dell's fault not adaptec's. I don't know what to believe there. That card is quite stable however. Any experiences with this that anyone wishes to share?