Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

2007-06-20 Thread Florian Heigl
Hi list, i've made the following changes to my /etc/rc.conf for a small appliance system. fsck_y_enable=YES root_rw_mount=NO squid_enable=YES sendmail_enable=NO sendmail_pidfile=/var/run/sendmail.pid sendmail_procname=/usr/sbin/sendmail sendmail_flags=-L sm-mta -bd -q30m

Re: unionfs6-p19-20070504 and devfs on a very recent 6.2-STABLE

2007-06-20 Thread Daniel Dvořák
So at the end, maybe we are two how couldn´t use p19 diff right. My recent post about this patch and its no working state at th 8th of June in this mailling list. Dan Kurt Jaeger napsal(a): Hi! I'm using unionfs on a recently (approx. 5 days ago) cvsup'ed 6.2-STABLE with the

Re: When inode change time changes?

2007-06-20 Thread Oliver Fromme
Artem Kuchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use gtar (gtar because it has incremental backups, and tar does not) You _can_ use BSD tar for incremental backups. I do that every day. When you do a level-0 backup, simply touch a flag file somewhere. Then when you do the level-1 backup, use the

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Dan Rue
On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 08:47:48PM -0700, Jo Rhett wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/88486 This patch was supplied 2 years ago now. It doesn't change current/ expected behavior but does allow those of us with many, many systems to not get useless e-mail. It's not

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Javier Henderson
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:13:06 -0500, Dan Rue wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 08:47:48PM -0700, Jo Rhett wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/88486 This patch was supplied 2 years ago now. It doesn't change current/ expected behavior but does allow those of us with many, many

Re: When inode change time changes?

2007-06-20 Thread Artem Kuchin
Oliver Fromme wrote: Artem Kuchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use gtar (gtar because it has incremental backups, and tar does not) You _can_ use BSD tar for incremental backups. I do that every day. Yes, but that's not real incremental backup because if you restore data you'll get a bunch

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Dan Rue
On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 11:50:23AM -0400, Javier Henderson wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:13:06 -0500, Dan Rue wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 08:47:48PM -0700, Jo Rhett wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/88486 This patch was supplied 2 years ago now. It doesn't change

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Javier Henderson
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:47:49 -0500, Dan Rue wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 11:50:23AM -0400, Javier Henderson wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:13:06 -0500, Dan Rue wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 08:47:48PM -0700, Jo Rhett wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/88486 This patch

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Kurt Buff
On 6/20/07, Dan Rue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 11:50:23AM -0400, Javier Henderson wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:13:06 -0500, Dan Rue wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 08:47:48PM -0700, Jo Rhett wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/88486 This patch was

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Jo Rhett
On Jun 20, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Javier Henderson wrote: So if it's quiet, is it because it's OK, or because it's too broken to complain? If it's too broken to complain, then the behavior is the same with or without this patch. I'm just referring to the assertion that the Unix model is to be

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Jo Rhett
On Jun 20, 2007, at 10:40 AM, Kurt Buff wrote: On 6/20/07, Dan Rue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's too broken to complain, then the behavior is the same with or without this patch. Indeed, which is why this patch might not be such a good idea. In this case, absence of evidence is indeed

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Kurt Buff
On 6/20/07, Jo Rhett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 20, 2007, at 10:40 AM, Kurt Buff wrote: On 6/20/07, Dan Rue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's too broken to complain, then the behavior is the same with or without this patch. Indeed, which is why this patch might not be such a good idea.

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Jo Rhett
On Jun 20, 2007, at 12:56 PM, Kurt Buff wrote: Currently, if you get no message from that box, *something* is broken. I am not capable as a human being of noticing the lack of one message, when without this patch I would get more than 2,000 each day. The more likely is that the OP starts

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 12:56:46PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: On 6/20/07, Jo Rhett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I get a message every day saying No output, how do I know when a failure has occurred? This patch changes nothing about that behavior. Getting no message is equally useless in the

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Howard Goldstein
This is a no brainer. The patch seems to retain the current behavior. The desired behavior is on a knob. It doesn't run enough to worry about the extra cycles to run the conditional. A superficial googling will show that emitting messages when there's no exception is a human factors boo-boo,

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Daniel Bond
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I like Kurt's approach, having a mailfilter/script-pipe which could remove dynamic variables like timestamps etc, and checksum it against against a empty template to see if its deletable. This also verifies that mail-delivery is working, and machine

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Kurt Jaeger
Hi! [on a bikeshed:] 3. Actual errors *will* be reported, and *will be read* if I don't have to delete thousands of non-errors. Perhaps a separate mailbox dedicated to this task, with a script (grep?) that parses the emails in that mailbox daily looking for expected messages, noting and

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Jo Rhett
On Jun 20, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Daniel Bond wrote: I like Kurt's approach Well the goal is to allow either approach to work. Kurt is arguing against this patch because it doesn't work for him... having a mailfilter/script-pipe which could remove dynamic variables like timestamps etc, and

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Jo Rhett
On Jun 20, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Alban Hertroys wrote: Would it help if everything is all right-mails would be easily discerned from messages saying there is a problem? Not for me. I would like to not receive mail when everything is alright. IMHO that way you could move the everything is all

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Alban Hertroys
On Jun 20, 2007, at 21:43, Jo Rhett wrote: On Jun 20, 2007, at 10:40 AM, Kurt Buff wrote: Indeed, which is why this patch might not be such a good idea. In this case, absence of evidence is indeed evidence of absence, which is contrary to the general case. You appear to be completely

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Miroslav Lachman
Kurt Buff wrote: [...] Perhaps a separate mailbox dedicated to this task, with a script (grep?) that parses the emails in that mailbox daily looking for expected messages, noting and deleting them, with unsent messages noted via an email and messages with unexpected content forwarded as well?

Re: how much beer do I need to get this patch applied?

2007-06-20 Thread Fernando Jiménez Solano
On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 11:50:23AM -0400, Javier Henderson wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:13:06 -0500, Dan Rue wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 08:47:48PM -0700, Jo Rhett wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/88486 This patch was supplied 2 years ago now. It doesn't change

I need to confgure Ati X700 to support dual layouts with the Xorg7.2

2007-06-20 Thread Maher Mohamed
Dear reader ... I have been fighting for a while to configure the the xorg on my laptop Acer Ferrari 4005 Wmli, to be able to at least a clone of my laptop windowmaker on the Other monitor that i have attached to the TV-OUT but with no luck. If any one can help please do not hesitate. Thank you