Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-13 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
On Jan 13, 2007, at 12:03 AM, Jo Rhett wrote: On Jan 12, 2007, at 1:04 AM, Jo Rhett wrote: To make this into a step-by-step, what do you mean by "restore the MBR partition" ? From backup, or...? Marcel Moolenaar wrote: Manually recreate, I guess. When creating a GPT, the MBR is replaced b

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-13 Thread Jo Rhett
On Jan 12, 2007, at 1:04 AM, Jo Rhett wrote: To make this into a step-by-step, what do you mean by "restore the MBR partition" ? From backup, or...? Marcel Moolenaar wrote: Manually recreate, I guess. When creating a GPT, the MBR is replaced by a PMBR. A PMBR is a MBR with a single partition

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-12 Thread Jo Rhett
On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:51 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:49:38 -0800 Marcel Moolenaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is already possible for them to coexist. It's not uncommon in the industry to use MBR partitions even though the disk has GPT. The point is that you need to t

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-12 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:49:38 -0800 Marcel Moolenaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is already possible for them to coexist. It's not uncommon in the > industry to use MBR partitions even though the disk has GPT. The > point is that you need to tools to avoid making a mess. Ideally you Apparently

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-12 Thread Jo Rhett
On Jan 11, 2007, at 11:26 PM, Freddie Cash wrote: This feature is only available on 9550SX and 9590SE controllers, and can only be specified in 3BM. Bing! Well, that confirms that I'm not blind :-) -- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-12 Thread Jo Rhett
On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:46 PM, Michael Hall wrote: Why not use 3BM (3Ware BIOS Manager) to setup the RAID. Create the RAID with it, specify a boot volume, turn off autocarving, so it creates two units (one smaller boot volume, and all the rest it a large unit). Setp the smaller unit like normal (

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-12 Thread Jo Rhett
Jason Thomson wrote: Jo, if you manage to do this, could you possibly post a step-by-step guide? Absolutely. After trying to find this info, if I get it to work then I'll make sure nobody else has to go through this. -- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation ___

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-12 Thread Jo Rhett
Jan Mikkelsen wrote: I just had a quick look at the 3ware website, and the closest I can see is a 9500S-8. Assuming that is correct, there is a firmware update, 9.3.0.4, which has the following in the notes: "New Feature: Boot LUN". That might be worth a try. Sorry, you're right. And we hav

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-12 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
On Jan 12, 2007, at 1:53 AM, Jason Thomson wrote: Marcel, do you know if it is possible to do this without destroying the existing file systems? In theory, yes. If you need or want to shuffle partitions or repartition, then it becomes a whole new game. Keeping existing partitions where t

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-12 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
On Jan 12, 2007, at 1:04 AM, Jo Rhett wrote: Marcel Moolenaar wrote: On Jan 11, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Jo Rhett wrote: Since we're going to be stuck with old BIOSes for a long time after 2TB is a cheap disk drive at [store], is anyone considering doing the work to make GPT co-exist with an MBR b

RE: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-12 Thread Jan Mikkelsen
Jo Rhett wrote: > Jan Mikkelsen wrote: > > Which controller, exactly, are you using? > > 9000-8S I just had a quick look at the 3ware website, and the closest I can see is a 9500S-8. Assuming that is correct, there is a firmware update, 9.3.0.4, which has the following in the notes: "New Featur

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-12 Thread Jason Thomson
Jo Rhett wrote: Marcel Moolenaar wrote: On Jan 11, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Jo Rhett wrote: Since we're going to be stuck with old BIOSes for a long time after 2TB is a cheap disk drive at [store], is anyone considering doing the work to make GPT co-exist with an MBR block? It is already possi

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-12 Thread Jo Rhett
Marcel Moolenaar wrote: On Jan 11, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Jo Rhett wrote: Since we're going to be stuck with old BIOSes for a long time after 2TB is a cheap disk drive at [store], is anyone considering doing the work to make GPT co-exist with an MBR block? It is already possible for them to coex

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-12 Thread Jo Rhett
Jan Mikkelsen wrote: Jo Rhett wrote: But that option doesn't exist in the 9000-series controllers :-( If it existed in the 6000, they must have taken it out and then added it back later. Sorry, I was unclear. The option doesn't exist in the 6000 series controllers, but rather you get to

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Freddie Cash
On Thu, January 11, 2007 10:00 pm, Charles Sprickman wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Jo Rhett wrote: > Not any one that I've ever seen in commodity disks. Yes, on > big fiber channel disk cabinets. No to 6-8 drive raid > controllers. I'd be very surprised if you can't. You c

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Michael Hall
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 10:28:29PM -0800, Jo Rhett wrote: > On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > >On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Jo Rhett wrote: > > > >Not any one that I've ever seen in commodity disks. Yes, on > >big fiber channel disk cabinets. No to 6-8 drive raid > >>

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
On Jan 11, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Jo Rhett wrote: Since we're going to be stuck with old BIOSes for a long time after 2TB is a cheap disk drive at [store], is anyone considering doing the work to make GPT co-exist with an MBR block? It is already possible for them to coexist. It's not uncommon

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Jan Mikkelsen
Jo Rhett wrote: On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Jan Mikkelsen wrote: I just had a look at that documentation. Not far before the referenced pages it says to hit "ALT-3" to enter the BIOS configuration, and then describes the procedure for creating a unit including creating a "boot unit". No

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Jo Rhett
On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Jan Mikkelsen wrote: I just had a look at that documentation. Not far before the referenced pages it says to hit "ALT-3" to enter the BIOS configuration, and then describes the procedure for creating a unit including creating a "boot unit". No operating system

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Jo Rhett
On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: The pages I mention are for the 3Ware BIOS, not tw_cli or 3DM2... I'm looking at the pdf and the screenshots are clearly from the 3Ware BIOS. Check it out... Sorry, you're right I used the acrobat page numbers instead of the printed o

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Jan Mikkelsen
Jo Rhett wrote: On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Jo Rhett wrote: Not any one that I've ever seen in commodity disks. Yes, on big fiber channel disk cabinets. No to 6-8 drive raid controllers. I'd be very surprised if you can't. You can certainly

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Charles Sprickman
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Jo Rhett wrote: On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Jo Rhett wrote: Not any one that I've ever seen in commodity disks. Yes, on big fiber channel disk cabinets. No to 6-8 drive raid controllers. I'd be very surprised if you can't

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Jo Rhett
On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Jo Rhett wrote: Not any one that I've ever seen in commodity disks. Yes, on big fiber channel disk cabinets. No to 6-8 drive raid controllers. I'd be very surprised if you can't. You can certainly do it with Ar

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Charles Sprickman
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Jo Rhett wrote: Not any one that I've ever seen in commodity disks. Yes, on big fiber channel disk cabinets. No to 6-8 drive raid controllers. I'd be very surprised if you can't. You can certainly do it with Areca (arcmsr(4)), HP (ciss(4)), IBM ServeRAID (ips(4)), alt

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Jo Rhett
On Jan 11, 2007, at 7:20 PM, Dan Nelson wrote: I've got ancient AMI Megaraid controllers (Dell PERC 2/Si cards) that can put multiple logical drives on one RAID set, so I'm surprised that a modern controller can't. Funny, that. I miss the old Megaraid controllers. They had features that the

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Jo Rhett
On Jan 11, 2007, at 7:50 PM, Jan Mikkelsen wrote: For example, on an Areca 8 port controller, I have 8 disks in a RAID-6 array, and within that "RAID set", I have three volumes. The three volumes appear to FreeBSD as da0, da1 and da2, respectively. CLI> rsf info I would like to note that

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Jo Rhett
Not any one that I've ever seen in commodity disks. Yes, on big fiber channel disk cabinets. No to 6-8 drive raid controllers. I'd be very surprised if you can't. You can certainly do it with Areca (arcmsr(4)), HP (ciss(4)), IBM ServeRAID (ips(4)), although the details vary. On Jan 11

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Jan 11), Jo Rhett said: > >On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:56:43 -0800 Jo Rhett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Thanks for the reply. The problem is that I have a single 6-drive > >>(550gb/ea) RAID-5 array. If I split two disks off to make a RAID-1 > >>boot device, I'll lose 1TB of usa

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Charles Sprickman
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Jan Mikkelsen wrote: Hi, Jo Rhett wrote: On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:56:43 -0800 Jo Rhett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for the reply. The problem is that I have a single 6-drive (550gb/ea) RAID-5 array. If I split two disks off to make a RAID-1 boot device, I'll lose 1T

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Jan Mikkelsen
Hi, Jo Rhett wrote: On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:56:43 -0800 Jo Rhett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for the reply. The problem is that I have a single 6-drive (550gb/ea) RAID-5 array. If I split two disks off to make a RAID-1 boot device, I'll lose 1TB of usable storage. On Jan 11, 2007, at 3

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Jo Rhett
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:56:43 -0800 Jo Rhett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for the reply. The problem is that I have a single 6-drive (550gb/ea) RAID-5 array. If I split two disks off to make a RAID-1 boot device, I'll lose 1TB of usable storage. On Jan 11, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Torfinn Ingolf

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:56:43 -0800 Jo Rhett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the reply. The problem is that I have a single 6-drive > (550gb/ea) RAID-5 array. If I split two disks off to make a RAID-1 > boot device, I'll lose 1TB of usable storage. Hmm, why can't you just make your c

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Jo Rhett
Thanks for the reply. The problem is that I have a single 6-drive (550gb/ea) RAID-5 array. If I split two disks off to make a RAID-1 boot device, I'll lose 1TB of usable storage. I just found the "auto carving" feature of the 3ware controller, and we'll see how that works for my needs.

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Nikolay Pavlov
On Thursday, 11 January 2007 at 11:00:56 -0800, Jo Rhett wrote: > I think I have a decent way to make the application deal with two 1.2 > TB filesystems. Obviously bsdlabel is limited to 2TB, but I should > be able to mount a partition from the second slice. > > So how do I accomplish this?

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Jo Rhett
I think I have a decent way to make the application deal with two 1.2 TB filesystems. Obviously bsdlabel is limited to 2TB, but I should be able to mount a partition from the second slice. So how do I accomplish this? Fdisk apparently won't make that second slice that crosses the 2TB boun

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Jo Rhett
Dimitry Andric wrote: Jo Rhett wrote: Sysinstall recognized the drive properly and everything looked dandy during install. However, it turns out that fdisk and bsdlabel both just chopped off the last partition at 248GB. (why 248gb and not 2tb?) Wrapping around 2 TiB, probably. Got any smar

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Nikolay Pavlov
On Thursday, 11 January 2007 at 15:35:25 +0200, Nikolay Pavlov wrote: > On Thursday, 11 January 2007 at 1:04:10 -0800, Jo Rhett wrote: > > So I have a raid array of 2.4TB. And yes, I really need 2.4TB, and no > > there's no room for another set of disks to boot from. > > /1g > > /var 16g > >

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Nikolay Pavlov
On Thursday, 11 January 2007 at 1:04:10 -0800, Jo Rhett wrote: > So I have a raid array of 2.4TB. And yes, I really need 2.4TB, and no > there's no room for another set of disks to boot from. > /1g > /var 16g > /big **everything else > > Sysinstall recognized the drive properly and everythi

Re: 2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Dimitry Andric
Jo Rhett wrote: > Sysinstall recognized the drive properly and everything looked dandy > during install. However, it turns out that fdisk and bsdlabel both just > chopped off the last partition at 248GB. (why 248gb and not 2tb?) Wrapping around 2 TiB, probably. __

2.4TB disk - MBR and GPT coexist?

2007-01-11 Thread Jo Rhett
So I have a raid array of 2.4TB. And yes, I really need 2.4TB, and no there's no room for another set of disks to boot from. /1g /var 16g /big **everything else Sysinstall recognized the drive properly and everything looked dandy during install. However, it turns out that fdisk and bsdlab