Re: 6.1 stability (Re: 4.11 snapshots?)

2006-05-22 Thread Brett Glass
At 08:09 PM 5/21/2006, Kris Kennaway wrote: We did ourselves a big disservice by not pointing out clearly in the todo list that most of the listed problems are VERY RARE and are unlikely to affect most/all users. In future we're going to have to be clearer about that, because you're not the

Re: 4.11 snapshots?

2006-05-21 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 01:22:59PM +0300, Dmitry Pryanishnikov wrote: Hello! On Tue, 16 May 2006, Colin Percival wrote: Personally, since FreeBSD 4.11 will reach its EoL about 8 months from now, and the 4.x-[56].x upgrade path is non-trivial, I recommend installing FreeBSD 6.1 instead.

Re: 4.11 snapshots?

2006-05-21 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 07:35:53PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: Is there a server currently furnishing snapshots of the FreeBSD 4.11 security branch? We have some servers running various 4.x versions that might not be happy with 6.x due to memory requirements. They also might have slower file

Re: 4.11 snapshots?

2006-05-21 Thread Brett Glass
Well, y'know, if they could release a FreeBSD 2.2.9 (as was done last month), it shouldn't be a problem to do a 4.12 release as a last gasp to tide us over until September. (Hopefully, Colin and the summer of code folks can work on performance enhancements to the network stack, UFS2, and the hard

Re: 4.11 snapshots?

2006-05-21 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Sun, 2006-May-21 13:20:24 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: Well, y'know, if they could release a FreeBSD 2.2.9 (as was done last month), it shouldn't be a problem to do a 4.12 release as a last gasp to tide us over Maybe for April 1st next year - though novel April Fools Day jokes are always much

Re: 4.11 snapshots?

2006-05-21 Thread Andrew Thompson
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 01:20:24PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: Well, y'know, if they could release a FreeBSD 2.2.9 (as was done last month), it shouldn't be a problem to do a 4.12 release as a last gasp to tide us over until September. (Hopefully, Colin and the summer of code folks can work

6.1 stability (Re: 4.11 snapshots?)

2006-05-21 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:03:33AM +1200, Andrew Thompson wrote: On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 01:20:24PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: Well, y'know, if they could release a FreeBSD 2.2.9 (as was done last month), it shouldn't be a problem to do a 4.12 release as a last gasp to tide us over

Re: 4.11 snapshots?

2006-05-19 Thread Seth Kingry
You could build your own snapshots It's not hard (hint 'man release'). Seth Brett Glass wrote: Is there a server currently furnishing snapshots of the FreeBSD 4.11 security branch? We have some servers running various 4.x versions that might not be happy with 6.x due to memory

Re: 4.11 snapshots?

2006-05-17 Thread Dmitry Pryanishnikov
Hello! On Tue, 16 May 2006, Colin Percival wrote: Personally, since FreeBSD 4.11 will reach its EoL about 8 months from now, and the 4.x-[56].x upgrade path is non-trivial, I recommend installing FreeBSD 6.1 instead. Well, have you seen my simple performance benchmarking RELENG_4 vs 6?

Re: 4.11 snapshots?

2006-05-17 Thread Dimitry Andric
Dmitry Pryanishnikov wrote: Well, have you seen my simple performance benchmarking RELENG_4 vs 6? IMHO it mimics quote common usage pattern: it just downloads a large file with 10Mbps rate and stores it on UFS filesystem. On the same hardware (i386 uniprocessor Celeron-333 system with 128Mb

Re: 4.11 snapshots?

2006-05-17 Thread Dmitry Pryanishnikov
Hello! On Wed, 17 May 2006, Dimitry Andric wrote: (INVARIANTS removed) RELENG_6 (and 5) _still_ uses = 50% of CPU time for (Intr+Sys), while RELENG_4 doesn't use more than 28% for them. Just as a test for RELENG_6, could you try setting kern.hz=100 in your loader.conf, and repeating your

Re: 4.11 snapshots?

2006-05-16 Thread Randy Rowe
Plamen Stoev wrote: Brett Glass wrote: At 08:42 PM 5/15/2006, pete wright wrote: according to this link 4.11 is a supported errata branch: http://www.freebsd.org/releng/ here is a link to the errata policy: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.11R/errata_policy.html you should be able

Re: 4.11 snapshots?

2006-05-16 Thread Brett Glass
At 09:19 AM 5/16/2006, Randy Rowe wrote: Also at the bottom of that page under the FAQ heading it spells out where to get the older snapshots :-) Alas, those snapshots are old indeed. The latest is from August of last year! There does not seem to be a snapshot of the 4.11 security branch

Re: 4.11 snapshots?

2006-05-16 Thread Colin Percival
If you absolutely must run FreeBSD 4.11, install the RELEASE and then run FreeBSD Update. Personally, since FreeBSD 4.11 will reach its EoL about 8 months from now, and the 4.x-[56].x upgrade path is non-trivial, I recommend installing FreeBSD 6.1 instead. Colin Percival

Re: 4.11 snapshots?

2006-05-16 Thread Brett Glass
Colin: We'd like to. But we need the servers we're building to outperform Linux in file and database operations, and they only do that under 4.11. Also, the 6.1 release engineering page showed some worrisome problems -- including such things as potential problems with the Intel fxp and em

4.11 snapshots?

2006-05-15 Thread Brett Glass
Is there a server currently furnishing snapshots of the FreeBSD 4.11 security branch? We have some servers running various 4.x versions that might not be happy with 6.x due to memory requirements. They also might have slower file access (The file system in FreeBSD 6.x still isn't as snappy as the

Re: 4.11 snapshots?

2006-05-15 Thread pete wright
On 5/15/06, Brett Glass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a server currently furnishing snapshots of the FreeBSD 4.11 security branch? We have some servers running various 4.x versions that might not be happy with 6.x due to memory requirements. They also might have slower file access (The file

Re: 4.11 snapshots?

2006-05-15 Thread Brett Glass
At 08:42 PM 5/15/2006, pete wright wrote: according to this link 4.11 is a supported errata branch: http://www.freebsd.org/releng/ here is a link to the errata policy: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.11R/errata_policy.html you should be able to sync your source via cvsup from official