On Wed, 2006-Jan-11 23:22:53 -0800, Jo Rhett wrote:
I am deliberately trolling: not to cause grief, but to see if there are any
bites on the topic. So far it's just people insulting my intelligence and
cutpasting web pages to me.
Going out of your way to antagonize FreeBSD developers is not the
Hej there,
Jo Rhett wrote:
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 01:27:18PM +0100, Marian Hettwer wrote:
I'm actually wondering how yahoo for instance handles this situation. To
my knowledge, they have several thousand of FreeBSD based servers.
Either they are all the same in regards to configuration and
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:07, Jo Rhett wrote:
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:20:11PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote:
I imagine there are a few committers interested, but I'd say you need to
ask the right way first..
As in...?
I don't know any personally, but then again I only know about 3
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:15, Jo Rhett wrote:
Before we plan the invasion of Iraq, how about an agreement on what we're
trying to accomplish? Like I said, this topic has always been killed
because non-newbies can run make buildworld. So if it's going to get
shot down quickly then why bother?
On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 06:44:36AM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote:
In general, volunteer projects have a surfeit of ideas and a shortage
of real implementations. The Project is never going to agree to import
an idea without some substance.
Always true, and I wouldn't expect less. But we've
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 01:16:36PM -0800, John-Mark Gurney wrote:
You're trying to target to large of an audience... You need to get _A_
committer interested in your work, and get HIM to guide you and commit
your work...
DING! Now we are FINALLY understanding what my goal for this topic
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:20:11PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote:
I imagine there are a few committers interested, but I'd say you need to ask
the right way first..
As in...?
But again, there are lots of people interested in this topic. Colin for
an obvious one. But if Colin can't convince
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 01:27:18PM +0100, Marian Hettwer wrote:
I'm actually wondering how yahoo for instance handles this situation. To
my knowledge, they have several thousand of FreeBSD based servers.
Either they are all the same in regards to configuration and version, or
they have some
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 10:41:47AM -0800, John-Mark Gurney wrote:
I believe core has a policy of never supporting vaporware... There is
always the chicken and egg problem with arguments like this... I'll
code this if you agree to support it and maintain it/I will agree to
support it once you
I just know that core has either struck it down or been Silent.
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 05:32:26PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote:
The latter is an entirely different case from the former, and you've been
claiming core has done the former. This, and the above, tell me that
you're not interested
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:53, Jo Rhett wrote:
you mean? Are you claiming someone from (or claiming to be from core)
said Don't do this, we won't allow it? If so, can you supply proof?
I used to write a lot of patches to freebsd. I used to submit a lot of bug
reports. I've found over the years
Hi there,
Jo Rhett wrote:
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 11:20:13AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote:
So, uhh, how would your magical binary upgrade system handle custom kernels?
Why would it be any different? You still haven't explained how this would
work..
Versioning of the core package would
Jo Rhett wrote this message on Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 03:03 -0800:
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 10:41:47AM -0800, John-Mark Gurney wrote:
I believe core has a policy of never supporting vaporware... There is
always the chicken and egg problem with arguments like this... I'll
code this if you
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 09:08:13PM -0600, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
Having done full OS upgrades a number of times, I can't remember the
last time it took more than 5 or 10 minutes (during most of which the
When the servers are in 17 countries around the world, with no CD-ROM
access. You keep
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 01:09:04PM -0800 I heard the voice of
Jo Rhett, and lo! it spake thus:
No, you're missing the point. More core OS upgrades means less
incremental patches (which are easier to apply than a full update).
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 09:08:13PM -0600, Matthew D. Fuller
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 11:36:11AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote:
On each 'client' PC..
NFS mount /usr/src and /usr/obj
installkernel
reboot
installworld
Works fine on home computers behind firewalls.
Useless on public servers that don't run RPC.
Useless on flash-based servers where
Patrick M. Hausen, and lo! it spake thus:
Any suggestions for an alternative to NFS if your 'client' servers
are located all over the world and you want to installworld across
the Internet? I was planning to use NFS/TCP secured by IPSec
transport mode, but anything less complicated would
Jo Rhett wrote this message on Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 01:24 -0800:
You are putting words in the mouth of core@ -
Sorry. As said before, the topic is always struck down and nobody from
core has ever stood up to say we'll support this. I don't know whose on
core this week, nor will I at any
Jo Rhett wrote this message on Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 01:24 -0800:
Sorry. As said before, the topic is always struck down and nobody from
core has ever stood up to say we'll support this. I don't know whose on
core this week, nor will I at any given time.
This information is publicly
[cross post to -current removed]
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:54, Jo Rhett wrote:
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 11:36:11AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote:
On each 'client' PC..
NFS mount /usr/src and /usr/obj
installkernel
reboot
installworld
Works fine on home computers behind firewalls.
Useless
ml (And, as well, that you do not even understand the role the core plays
ml in the project. Hint: it is not primarily technical in nature.)
For those curious to know how the project works, the following online
resources may help:
A project model for the FreeBSD Project
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 09:51:15AM +0100, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
Any suggestions for an alternative to NFS if your 'client' servers
are located all over the world and you want to installworld across
the Internet? I was planning to use NFS/TCP secured by IPSec transport
mode, but anything
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 02:02, Brian Candler wrote:
Linux has an extremely neat solution for this (sshfs) but I don't know of
anything comparable in the BSD world. sshfs uses 'Fuse', a plug-in
architecture which allows filesystems to run in userland. I believe it
makes an sftp connection to the
Hi, Folks!
On your central PC..
buildworld once.
builkernel once for each of the different kernels you are using.
On each 'client' PC..
NFS mount /usr/src and /usr/obj
installkernel
reboot
installworld
Any suggestions for an alternative to NFS if your 'client' servers
are located all
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 09:51:15AM +0100 I heard the voice of
Patrick M. Hausen, and lo! it spake thus:
Any suggestions for an alternative to NFS if your 'client' servers
are located all over the world and you want to installworld across
the Internet? I was planning to use NFS/TCP secured by
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 09:08:13PM -0600, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
No, you're missing the point. More core OS upgrades means less
incremental patches (which are easier to apply than a full update).
Right. I don't understand how B follows A here.
These patches come from where? Security
Brian Candler wrote:
I think the real concern here is: for how long after RELEASE_X_Y are binary
patches for it made available?
I build FreeBSD Update patches for all the branches supported by the
FreeBSD Security Team.
To answer a couple of other questions:
FreeBSD Update is something which
I have consistently ignored all emails in this thread because the
use of the word demand in the Subject.
Whenever people use words like demand or somebody should in
FreeBSD contexts, it indicates cluelessness to me.
Cluelessness about how the project works and cluenessness about
how things
phk Bring to system administration what source code
phk version control brought to programming.
www.infrastructures.org
www.isconf.org
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:10:19 +0530
Joseph Koshy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
www.infrastructures.org
www.isconf.org
and perhaps also http://www.cfengine.org/
and probably others.
IMHO, FreeBSD is a good os, with good options on configuration and
management.
It is not a systems management tool /
On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 12:04:05AM -0700, Scott Long wrote:
There will be three FreeBSD 6 releases in 2006.
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 02:00:21PM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote:
While this is nice, may I suggest that it is time to put aside/delay one
release cycle and come up with a binary update
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 09:55:33AM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
Doesn't creating a binary updates system that's going to be practical to use
require implementation of that old and exceedingly bikesheddable subject:
packaging up the base system?
EXACTLY. That's why we need core team
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 09:55:33AM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
Doesn't creating a binary updates system that's going to be practical to use
require implementation of that old and exceedingly bikesheddable subject:
packaging
up the base system?
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:13:09PM -0500,
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 02:00:21PM -0800 I heard the voice of
Joe Rhett, and lo! it spake thus:
Increasing the number of deployed systems out of date [...]
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 08:37:25PM -0600, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
This doesn't make any sense. If you install a 6.0 system, in 6
Jo Rhett wrote:
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 06:55:03PM -0500, Chuck Swiger wrote:
YMMV. I burned a 6.0 release from the ISO image, and did a binary upgrade on an
IBM ThinkPad (T.34? maybe), which worked perfectly. All of the 5.x binaries,
including X11, KDE, printing, Mozilla, etc worked just
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 04:45:09PM -0500, Chuck Swiger wrote:
FreeBSD releases new .ISO images several times a year, but you've got the
tools to make .ISO images of patch releases yourself, if you want to. I
don't think that the FreeBSD project can shorten the release cycle below a
month
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:42, Jo Rhett wrote:
Using a build server as a testbed and to generate new packages or even a
new kernel + world will reduce the amount of work required, but FreeBSD
does require some level of administration and maintenance.
We already have that. But again, I'm not
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 01:09:04PM -0800 I heard the voice of
Jo Rhett, and lo! it spake thus:
No, you're missing the point. More core OS upgrades means less
incremental patches (which are easier to apply than a full update).
Right. I don't understand how B follows A here.
These patches
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:13:09PM -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote:
Doesn't creating a binary updates system that's going to be practical to use
require implementation of that old and exceedingly bikesheddable subject:
packaging
up the base system?
No, after all the *existing* binary update
Chuck Swiger wrote:
Upgrading the ports from there was somewhat annoying, as this guy's machine had
~400 or so, but deleting them all, and then using pkg_add -r works just fine
if you want to grab the latest current binaries. From there you can portupgrade
as usual.
Now, if you want to talk
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 09:55:33AM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
Chuck Swiger wrote:
Upgrading the ports from there was somewhat annoying, as this guy's
machine had
~400 or so, but deleting them all, and then using pkg_add -r works just
fine
if you want to grab the latest current
On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 12:04:05AM -0700, Scott Long wrote:
There will be three FreeBSD 6 releases in 2006.
While this is nice, may I suggest that it is time to put aside/delay one
release cycle and come up with a binary update mechanism supported well by
the OS? Increasing the speed of
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 02:00:21PM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote:
On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 12:04:05AM -0700, Scott Long wrote:
There will be three FreeBSD 6 releases in 2006.
While this is nice, may I suggest that it is time to put aside/delay one
release cycle and come up with a binary update
Joe Rhett wrote:
On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 12:04:05AM -0700, Scott Long wrote:
There will be three FreeBSD 6 releases in 2006.
While this is nice, may I suggest that it is time to put aside/delay one
release cycle and come up with a binary update mechanism supported well by
the OS? Increasing
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 02:00:21PM -0800 I heard the voice of
Joe Rhett, and lo! it spake thus:
Increasing the number of deployed systems out of date [...]
This doesn't make any sense. If you install a 6.0 system, in 6 months
(assuming you installed it right when 6.0 was cut, for simplicity),
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