Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-26 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:09:50 -0500 Jim C. Nasby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The issue I run into is that I use software raid (vinum in 4.11, gmirror in 6.x), and I don't know of any way to go from one to the other that

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-26 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 11:38:06PM -0500, Jim C. Nasby wrote: On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:09:50 -0500 Jim C. Nasby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The issue I run into is that I use software raid (vinum in 4.11, gmirror in 6.x),

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-20 Thread Robert Watson
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Paul Allen wrote: While possibly not advisable in the long term, I ran a 4.x postfix and cyrus server install on 6.x using compat4 for about six months without problems. The place where it gets tricky is updating the 4.x binaries, which requires a 4.x chroot, since I was

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-20 Thread Oliver Fromme
Nicolas Rachinsky wrote: Jim C. Nasby wrote: The issue I run into is that I use software raid (vinum in 4.11, gmirror in 6.x), and I don't know of any way to go from one to the other that doesn't involve wiping both drives at the same time. You can wipe one of the disks, create a

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-19 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 10:04:46PM -0500, Yoshihiro Ota wrote: On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:13:11 +0100 (BST) Jan Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're setting up machines that you're going to be upgrading like this in the future, I think it's _really_ worthwhile hacking out a couple of

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-19 Thread Nicolas Rachinsky
* Jim C. Nasby [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-10-19 12:09 -0500]: The issue I run into is that I use software raid (vinum in 4.11, gmirror in 6.x), and I don't know of any way to go from one to the other that doesn't involve wiping both drives at the same time. You can wipe one of the disks, create a

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-19 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:09:50 -0500 Jim C. Nasby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The issue I run into is that I use software raid (vinum in 4.11, gmirror in 6.x), and I don't know of any way to go from one to the other that doesn't involve wiping both drives at the same time. So, what is your backup

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-19 Thread Robert Watson
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, security wrote: You'll have the sources. If you're using 4.11 in a business, you need to decide if it's more cost effective to move on to 6 or hire someone to keep 4.11 running. There's compat_4 to keep most userland apps happy. I'm sure you could argue the various

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-19 Thread Paul Allen
From Robert Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 12:51:13AM +0100: On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, security wrote: You'll have the sources. If you're using 4.11 in a business, you need to decide if it's more cost effective to move on to 6 or hire someone to keep 4.11 running.

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-18 Thread Jan Grant
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Michael W. Oliver wrote: 1. Be prepared to spend a lot of time in single-user mode, especially for the 4-5 step, because there is a LOT for mergemaster to do. The step from 5-6 is not nearly as painful. I didn't try to do the installworld and mergemaster in multiuser,

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-18 Thread Yoshihiro Ota
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:13:11 +0100 (BST) Jan Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're setting up machines that you're going to be upgrading like this in the future, I think it's _really_ worthwhile hacking out a couple of root slices - that is, space for a second / and /usr - to

FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-17 Thread FreeBSD Security Officer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There has been a lot of discussion on these two mailing lists about the upcoming EoL of FreeBSD 4.x which I mentioned in my email entitled HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon. Now that everybody (hopefully) has had their say, I'd like to

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL (FreeBSD Security Officer)

2006-10-17 Thread Joe Altman
From the list digest: 23. FreeBSD 4.x EoL (FreeBSD Security Officer) A few things immediately jumped out at me, and so I've elided everything around them so that they stand out; which I believe to be proper: From: FreeBSD Security Officer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FreeBSD 4.x EoL snip

In place upgrades (was Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL)

2006-10-17 Thread Doug Barton
Michael, Nice job with this, I'm sure that many people will find it very helpful. I would like to offer a few suggestions if I may. Michael W. Oliver wrote: Colin, Thanks for the verbose and reasoned explanation. Since the email last week, I have taken the opportunity to upgrade two

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-17 Thread security
FreeBSD Security Officer wrote: In short: * FreeBSD is a volunteer project, and we don't want to volunteer to support FreeBSD 4.x beyond the scheduled EoL date of January 31st, 2007; * Even if we did want to support FreeBSD 4.x beyond that date, I'm not certain that we would be able to do so,

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-17 Thread Michael W. Oliver
Colin, Thanks for the verbose and reasoned explanation. Since the email last week, I have taken the opportunity to upgrade two machines, one here and one remote (both with serial console) from 4.9-5.5-6.2PRE, and while I can't say that I did it blindfolded, it wasn't too painful. The upgrade

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-17 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 07:07:22PM -0400, Michael W. Oliver wrote: Colin, Thanks for the verbose and reasoned explanation. Since the email last week, I have taken the opportunity to upgrade two machines, one here and one remote (both with serial console) from 4.9-5.5-6.2PRE, and while I