Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2013-03-04 Thread Kenneth D. Merry
I just checked in a change to HEAD (247814) that compiles CTL in GENERIC but disables it by default. (i.e. it uses no memory) You can re-enable it with the existing loader tunable. i.e. set kern.cam.ctl.disable=0 in /boot/loader.conf and it will be enabled. Ken On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2013-02-27 Thread Adrian Chadd
Hi Ken, I'd like to fix this for 9.2 and -HEAD. Would you mind if I disabled CTL in GENERIC (but still build it as a module) until you've fixed the initial RAM reservation that it requires? Thanks, Adrian On 22 December 2012 22:32, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote: Ken, Does CAM

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2013-01-02 Thread Ian Smith
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 04:50:22 +1100, Ian Smith wrote: [following up my own message with a later report] On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:21:23 +0300, Sergey Kandaurov wrote: On 23 December 2012 10:22, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 03:45:39 +0300, Sergey Kandaurov

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-30 Thread Jakub Lach
Well, now there is release, but -STABLE is still pre, while -STABLE code is already well past release builds ;) Eh, imperfect world... -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/9-1-minimal-ram-requirements-tp5771583p5773408.html Sent from the freebsd-stable

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-29 Thread Thomas Mueller
from Mark Linimon lini...@lonesome.com: In an ideal world, the bits that will almost certainly become FreeBSD 9.1 would not appear on the masters, or any of the mirrors, until the same instant that the release announcement is set to freebsd-annou...@freebsd.org. In practice this doesn't

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-29 Thread Kimmo Paasiala
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Thomas Mueller muelle...@insightbb.com wrote: from Mark Linimon lini...@lonesome.com: In an ideal world, the bits that will almost certainly become FreeBSD 9.1 would not appear on the masters, or any of the mirrors, until the same instant that the release

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-29 Thread Kimmo Paasiala
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Kimmo Paasiala kpaas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Thomas Mueller muelle...@insightbb.com wrote: from Mark Linimon lini...@lonesome.com: In an ideal world, the bits that will almost certainly become FreeBSD 9.1 would not appear on the

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-28 Thread Zoran Kolic
What you are seeing is behind-the-scenes preparation. The release is official when, and only when, a security-signed email is sent to freebsd-annou...@freebsd.org from the Release Engineering team. Yeah, Mark. You're right. Further, I'm right too. What should I install on blank node? Beta? No

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-28 Thread Zoran Kolic
It has happened in the past that even as the release bits were propogating, One Last Big Bug was found and those bits had to be pulled and re-done. It would have looked like you had FreeBSD Release X.Y but you wouldn't have had the final bits that everyone else did. I'm aware of this. I

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-27 Thread Mark Linimon
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 06:02:33PM +0100, Zoran Kolic wrote: Seeing 9.1-RELEASE instead 9.1-PRERELASE or 9.1-RC4 is also a bad suprise for me... I assume it does not look like release is the lack of packages. What you are seeing is behind-the-scenes preparation. The release is official

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-26 Thread Zoran Kolic
Seeing 9.1-RELEASE instead 9.1-PRERELASE or 9.1-RC4 is also a bad suprise for me... I assume it does not look like release is the lack of packages. Simply, I installed and compiled from ports. Cannot say if it stands on the site as a decoration, but I have it on desktop and laptop and found it

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-26 Thread CeDeROM
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Zoran Kolic zko...@sbb.rs wrote: Seeing 9.1-RELEASE instead 9.1-PRERELASE or 9.1-RC4 is also a bad suprise for me... I assume it does not look like release is the lack of packages. Simply, I installed and compiled from ports. Making a Release is a well

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-26 Thread Zoran Kolic
9.1-RC3 works just fine as well for some weeks :-) When your computers are not production machines I also recommend this to you Zoran to test RC in order to make RELEASE a better product. What you have now is labeled as RELEASE but it is a decoration. The RELEASE will be different from what

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-26 Thread Kimmo Paasiala
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Zoran Kolic zko...@sbb.rs wrote: 9.1-RC3 works just fine as well for some weeks :-) When your computers are not production machines I also recommend this to you Zoran to test RC in order to make RELEASE a better product. What you have now is labeled as RELEASE

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-25 Thread Zoran Kolic
So, it's fine and recommended to remove ctl device from kernel? I installed from image on the site two weeks ago and consider it release. Zoran ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-25 Thread CeDeROM
I always considered FreeBSD to be the most unabiguous, straightforward and sometimes even raw, but still extremely powerful and innovative, operating system out there. Seeing 9.1-RELEASE instead 9.1-PRERELASE or 9.1-RC4 is also a bad suprise for me... I have fallback into RC3 and I think the

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-25 Thread CeDeROM
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Kimmo Paasiala kpaas...@gmail.com wrote: If it works for 99.99% percent of the users and fails for the remaining miniscule percentage because they have a very peculiar hardware, very small amount of ram etc, should the release called buggy and unstable? I

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-24 Thread Jakub Lach
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=174671 -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/9-1-minimal-ram-requirements-tp5771583p5771862.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-23 Thread Sergey Kandaurov
On 23 December 2012 10:22, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 03:45:39 +0300, Sergey Kandaurov wrote: This (i.e. the kmem_map too small message seen with kernel memory shortage) could be due to CAM CTL ('device ctl' added in 9.1), which is quite a big kernel memory

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-23 Thread Chris Rees
On 23 Dec 2012 06:40, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote: Hi guys, Would someone please file a PR for this? This is a huge unused allocation of memory for something that honestly likely shouldn't have been included by default in GENERIC. I've cc'ed ken on a reply to this. Hopefully

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-23 Thread Marten Vijn
On 12/23/2012 01:35 PM, Chris Rees wrote: On 23 Dec 2012 06:40, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org mailto:adr...@freebsd.org wrote: Hi guys, Would someone please file a PR for this? This is a huge unused allocation of memory for something that honestly likely shouldn't have been

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-23 Thread Ian Smith
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:21:23 +0300, Sergey Kandaurov wrote: On 23 December 2012 10:22, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 03:45:39 +0300, Sergey Kandaurov wrote: This (i.e. the kmem_map too small message seen with kernel memory shortage) could be due to CAM

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-23 Thread Adrian Chadd
Ok, I'll see about disabling it in GENERIC and STABLE/9 for now, at least until Ken has some idea of what's going on. Thanks, Adrian ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe,

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-23 Thread Adrian Chadd
.. has someone filed a PR for it? Adrian ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-23 Thread Kenneth D. Merry
The reason it grabs RAM up front is that it was written for an embedded platform where memory allocations might fail later on after things had been running and memory got fragmented. At this point, no, it doesn't need to allocate all of its memory up front. I actually need to put some effort

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-22 Thread Marten Vijn
On 12/23/2012 12:27 AM, Jakub Lach wrote: Guys, I've heard about some absurd RAM requirements for 9.1, has anybody tested it? e.g. http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=36314 jup, I can comfirm this with nanobsd (cross) compiled for my soekris net4501 which has 64 MB mem: from dmesg:

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-22 Thread Sergey Kandaurov
On 23 December 2012 03:40, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On 12/23/2012 12:27 AM, Jakub Lach wrote: Guys, I've heard about some absurd RAM requirements for 9.1, has anybody tested it? e.g. http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=36314 jup, I can comfirm this with nanobsd

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-22 Thread Ian Smith
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 03:45:39 +0300, Sergey Kandaurov wrote: On 23 December 2012 03:40, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On 12/23/2012 12:27 AM, Jakub Lach wrote: Guys, I've heard about some absurd RAM requirements for 9.1, has anybody tested it? e.g.

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-22 Thread Adrian Chadd
Ken, Does CAM CTL really need to pre-allocate 35MB of RAM at startup? Adrian On 22 December 2012 16:45, Sergey Kandaurov pluk...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 December 2012 03:40, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On 12/23/2012 12:27 AM, Jakub Lach wrote: Guys, I've heard about some absurd

Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements

2012-12-22 Thread Adrian Chadd
Hi guys, Would someone please file a PR for this? This is a huge unused allocation of memory for something that honestly likely shouldn't have been included by default in GENERIC. I've cc'ed ken on a reply to this. Hopefully after the holidays he can chime in and figure out what's going on.