Re: Drive failures with ada on FreeBSD-9.1, driver bug or wiring issue?

2013-07-18 Thread Steven Hartland
What chassis is this? - Original Message - From: Dr Josef Karthauser j...@karthauser.co.uk To: freebsd...@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:29 AM Subject: Drive failures with ada on FreeBSD-9.1, driver bug or wiring issue? Hi there, I'm

Re: Drive failures with ada on FreeBSD-9.1, driver bug or wiring issue?

2013-07-18 Thread Bob Bishop
Hi, On 18 Jul 2013, at 08:29, Dr Josef Karthauser wrote: Hi there, I'm scratching my head. I've just migrated to a super micro chassis and at the same time gone from FreeBSD 9.0 to 9.1-RELEASE. The machine in question is running a ZFS mirror configuration on two ada devices (with a

Re: Drive failures with ada on FreeBSD-9.1, driver bug or wiring issue?

2013-07-18 Thread Andrea Venturoli
On 07/18/13 10:25, Bob Bishop wrote: Me too (over a long period, with various hardware). There is a general problem with energy-saving drives that controllers don't understand them. Typically the drive decides to go into some power-saving mode, the controller wants to do some operation, the

Re: Drive failures with ada on FreeBSD-9.1, driver bug or wiring issue?

2013-07-18 Thread Dr Josef Karthauser
On 18 Jul 2013, at 13:07, Andrea Venturoli m...@netfence.it wrote: Perhaps they are WD Green drives? They're WD RE2-GP 1 TB drives (model WD1000FYPS) , not sure if that's green or not. In that case, other than quoting Bob's suggestion about avoiding them, there's something you can do: a)

Re: Drive failures with ada on FreeBSD-9.1, driver bug or wiring issue?

2013-07-18 Thread Dr Josef Karthauser
On 18 Jul 2013, at 08:33, Steven Hartland kill...@multiplay.co.uk wrote: What chassis is this? Hey Steven, It's a Supermicro CSE-813MTQ-350CB. Cheers, Joe ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Drive failures with ada on FreeBSD-9.1, driver bug or wiring issue?

2013-07-18 Thread Charles Swiger
Hi-- On Jul 18, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Dr Josef Karthauser j...@karthauser.co.uk wrote: On 18 Jul 2013, at 13:07, Andrea Venturoli m...@netfence.it wrote: Perhaps they are WD Green drives? They're WD RE2-GP 1 TB drives (model WD1000FYPS) , not sure if that's green or not. Yes, those are

Re: Drive failures with ada on FreeBSD-9.1, driver bug or wiring issue?

2013-07-18 Thread Dr Josef Karthauser
On 18 Jul 2013, at 20:31, Charles Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: Hi-- On Jul 18, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Dr Josef Karthauser j...@karthauser.co.uk wrote: On 18 Jul 2013, at 13:07, Andrea Venturoli m...@netfence.it wrote: Perhaps they are WD Green drives? They're WD RE2-GP 1 TB drives

Re: Drive failures with ada on FreeBSD-9.1, driver bug or wiring issue?

2013-07-18 Thread Dr Josef Karthauser
On 18 Jul 2013, at 20:31, Charles Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: On Jul 18, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Dr Josef Karthauser j...@karthauser.co.uk wrote: On 18 Jul 2013, at 13:07, Andrea Venturoli m...@netfence.it wrote: Perhaps they are WD Green drives? They're WD RE2-GP 1 TB drives (model

Re: Drive failures with ada on FreeBSD-9.1, driver bug or wiring issue?

2013-07-18 Thread Steven Hartland
- Original Message - From: Dr Josef Karthauser j...@karthauser.co.uk On 18 Jul 2013, at 08:33, Steven Hartland kill...@multiplay.co.uk wrote: What chassis is this? Hey Steven, It's a Supermicro CSE-813MTQ-350CB. We've seen issues on supermicro chassis before which cause timeouts

Re: Drive failures with ada on FreeBSD-9.1, driver bug or wiring issue?

2013-07-18 Thread Andrea Venturoli
On 07/18/13 21:13, Dr Josef Karthauser wrote: b) try different controllers and/or different OS releases. I'm committed to FreeBSD, as the machine is already rolled out and in a data centre ;). I said different OS releases, not different OS! I wouln't say such a blasphemy :) bye

Re: Drive failures with ada on FreeBSD-9.1, driver bug or wiring issue?

2013-07-18 Thread Andrea Venturoli
On 07/18/13 21:31, Charles Swiger wrote: Updating the firmware and increasing the timeout before these spin down automagically is likely to help, but as Andrea noted, such drives do have quite a history of timeout problems due to excessive head parking and their power conservation