Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-06-06 Thread Alexey Karagodov
all the problem of freebsd is that freebsd-team tries (mostly unsuccesfully) to do EVERYTHING freebsd team not just do freebsd, they doing freebsd5, freebsd6, freebsd7, ports, etc ... and nothing of this can work REALLY STABLE AND FUNCTIONAL i don't like linux, but sometimes i have to choose it i

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-06-06 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 10:50:23AM +0400, Alexey Karagodov wrote: all the problem of freebsd is that freebsd-team tries (mostly unsuccesfully) to do EVERYTHING freebsd team not just do freebsd, they doing freebsd5, freebsd6, freebsd7, ports, etc ... and nothing of this can work REALLY STABLE

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-06-06 Thread Alexey Karagodov
and sorry for my english! :) 2007/6/6, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 10:50:23AM +0400, Alexey Karagodov wrote: all the problem of freebsd is that freebsd-team tries (mostly unsuccesfully) to do EVERYTHING freebsd team not just do freebsd, they doing freebsd5,

OT: Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-27 Thread Sten Daniel Soersdal
John Walthall wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 11:10:06AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: As someone who has had to show many people how to use the FreeBSD installer, I can confirm what Chris is referring to. Here's some of the generic end-user complaints I've heard (and some of which I have);

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-24 Thread Oleg Gritsak
Actually, I don't see how RELENG_X branch will help. %-\ I would suggest this scheme: branch . - as now, the recent versions branch sec - versions bump strictly at 1-st of january and 1-st of july, other updates fix only security issues. That would be really great improvement to ports, but not

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-19 Thread KAYVEN RIESE
On Thu, 17 May 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Linimon) wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 01:35:10PM -0500, Craig Boston wrote: The alternative would have been to commit what we had and _then_ found out all the bugs in the upgrade process (note: you won't be able to just blindly use portupgrade

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-19 Thread Chris
On 19/05/07, Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - --On Saturday, May 19, 2007 01:22:40 -0700 KAYVEN RIESE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Linimon) wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 01:35:10PM -0500,

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-19 Thread Marc G. Fournier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - --On Saturday, May 19, 2007 01:22:40 -0700 KAYVEN RIESE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Linimon) wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 01:35:10PM -0500, Craig Boston wrote: The alternative would have been to

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-19 Thread Marc G. Fournier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - --On Saturday, May 19, 2007 22:01:26 +0100 Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the ports freeze I wonder in situations when a full freeze is needed it is better to do so on a seperate testing branch so it allows security commits etc. to carry

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-18 Thread John Walthall
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 11:10:06AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: As someone who has had to show many people how to use the FreeBSD installer, I can confirm what Chris is referring to. Here's some of the generic end-user complaints I've heard (and some of which I have); [...] And let's not

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-18 Thread Philipp Ost
John Walthall wrote: And let's not forget the infamous geometry bug! For me, at least sysinstall has always, 100% of the time, incorrectly detected my disc geometry. Same here. I ignored it every time and got no problems at all... Sysinstall is adequate, nothing more, nothing less. I don't

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-18 Thread JoaoBR
On Thursday 17 May 2007 15:10:06 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 05:51:07PM +0100, Gavin Atkinson wrote: On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 16:30 +0100, Chris wrote: A more user friendly installer so datacentres stop been put off FreeBSD. Although work on a new installer is ongoing,

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-18 Thread Charles Sprickman
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Philipp Ost wrote: The only other concern I have is the I-don't-know-which-field-is-in-focus-bug. But I have to admit that I rarely use sysinstall, so I don't bother that much... Jeremy hit the nail on the head with that one. I do use it fairly often and have gotten

fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-17 Thread Chris
I have mentioned this before about releasing a new major version of FreeBSD at such short intervals. Now I am wondering what path the FreeBSD community is taking in regards to server and desktop use. Stuff I would love to see in FreeBSD 7.x (CURRENT) before 7.0 release which looks like it isnt

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-17 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 04:30:50PM +0100, Chris wrote: The recent ports freeze has also concerned me, this is the longest ports freeze I have witnessed since I started using FreeBSD years ago and its for a desktop element of the os, does it matter if servers running FreeBSD have to remain on

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-17 Thread Gavin Atkinson
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 16:30 +0100, Chris wrote: Stuff I would love to see in FreeBSD 7.x (CURRENT) before 7.0 release which looks like it isnt going to happen [snip] More hardware support - FreeBSD still has poor hardware support when compared to other OS's, in particular vendors such as

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-17 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:30:50 +0100 From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have mentioned this before about releasing a new major version of FreeBSD at such short intervals. Now I am wondering what path the FreeBSD community is taking in regards to server and desktop

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-17 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 05:51:07PM +0100, Gavin Atkinson wrote: On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 16:30 +0100, Chris wrote: A more user friendly installer so datacentres stop been put off FreeBSD. Although work on a new installer is ongoing, nobody ever seems to be clear what the problems are with the

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-17 Thread Craig Boston
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 10:24:15AM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: The recent ports freeze has also concerned me, this is the longest ports freeze I have witnessed since I started using FreeBSD years ago and its for a desktop element of the os, does it matter if servers running FreeBSD have to

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-17 Thread Mark Linimon
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 01:35:10PM -0500, Craig Boston wrote: Now this is totally bogus. The freeze before the 6.0 release was VERY long and several have been longer than this one has been so far. I think the complaint may be more a result of this being a deeper freeze than normal. That's

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-17 Thread Tuomo Latto
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: As someone who has had to show many people how to use the FreeBSD installer, I can confirm what Chris is referring to. Here's some of the generic end-user complaints I've heard (and some of which I have); [...] As someone who only very rarely plays with the installer,

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-17 Thread Ivan Voras
Chris wrote: and its for a desktop element of the os, does it matter if servers running FreeBSD have to remain on vulnerable versions of ports as a result of this? This looks like another call to have RELENG_x branches on ports, with which I agree.

Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE

2007-05-17 Thread LI Xin
Ivan Voras wrote: Chris wrote: and its for a desktop element of the os, does it matter if servers running FreeBSD have to remain on vulnerable versions of ports as a result of this? This looks like another call to have RELENG_x branches on ports, with which I agree. Hmm... Branching is